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To: wardaddy
I’m not picking on you but you still think like a dem

No, I don't.

A Dem would accept that low IQ is a racial characteristic of black people, and then embrace affirmative action while moaning about how unfair it is to keep these stupid people out of top colleges and universities.

I have expressed no such opinion anywhere. I believe that all college applicants should compete equally. If there are group differences in their competitiveness, it is because of cultural issues that need to be addressed. I do *not* accept, as liberals do, that lower intellectual performance in some ethnic groups is a hardwired genetic characteristic of those groups. My view is a conservative view: help people to help themselves.

103 posted on 08/10/2013 6:39:14 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom; Norseman

Neither party is correct about all the implications and causes of group behavior and IQ

However ignoring obvious shortcomings and clinging to platitudes has destroyed America

I know you mean well in your heart but your naivete is the problem really

People today basically think everyone who lived before 1970 was wrong about behavior with race and gender etc

And now everyone thinks overall its much better since they simply ignore disparity and feel a utopian world once created will have us all on the same median performance wise

Likewise said thought lives to diminish white cultural contributions historically and elevate others

I don’t buy any if this

Environment contributed but is nowhere near equal to DNA

But long term environment is a huge factor in creating genetic disparity....isolation in human progression likely biggest culprit

I am old enough to recall the era before all this and I hate to break it to you we are a mere shadow of what we once were

And platitudes like those you two believe have been a contribution

No one knows for sure but relatively speaking DNA determines who what we have to work with exponentially more than environment

There are some unwelcome studies out there about black middle class kids performance that got about the same reaction as those out there in gay parenting


130 posted on 08/10/2013 11:59:25 AM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: exDemMom

Why are you so certain it is only cultural differences, when, for example, the testing gap between the black and white children of socio-economically equally upper-middle class is persistently gaping?


161 posted on 08/13/2013 2:07:50 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: exDemMom
I do *not* accept, as liberals do, that lower intellectual performance in some ethnic groups is a hardwired genetic characteristic of those groups. My view is a conservative view: help people to help themselves.

If liberals believe in "hardwired genetic differences," why do they fight so hard to suppress research showing that intelligence is heritable and that there are significant mean differences in intelligence between racial and ethnic groups?

Marxist (i.e. modern "liberal") dogma states that the human mind is a blank slate, and that we're all purely a product of culture and economic circumstances. You seem to subscribe to the same view. It's a good thing that people who bred animals and plants didn't think like this, otherwise we would have never bred crops or domesticated wild animals.

164 posted on 08/13/2013 2:19:57 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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