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The College Degree Scam
American Thinker ^ | 07/31/2013 | Carole Hornsby Haynes

Posted on 07/31/2013 7:46:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

For years we've heard the propaganda line that everyone needs to go to college -- that a degree will improve your status and standard of living.

It has become politically incorrect to even suggest that a higher education degree might not be right for every young American. So it's not surprising that those without a college degree often feel inferior and marginalized.

Has a college degree become the litmus test for whether a person is well educated and successful? These highly successfully individuals would likely disagree with that premise.

Michael Dell, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Steve Jobs, Richard Branson, Simon Cowell, Barry Diller, Ted Turner, Ralph Lauren, Governor Jan Brewer, Governor Scott Walker, Governor Gary Herbert, Peter Jennings, Walter Cronkite, John Chancellor, William Safire, Larry King, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Woody Allen, Karl Rove, and 33 members of the U.S. House of Representatives.

What do they all have in common? Not one received a college degree!

A college degree has long been considered the golden ticket to a more fulfilling life both financially and intellectually. Now the bloom seems to be off the rose. Students are graduating, armed with a politically-driven pseudo education, to find themselves jobless or underemployed, debt ridden, and perhaps living again with parents.

Political leaders, college presidents, and prominent foundations argue that the U.S. must increase the proportionate number of adults with college degrees if it is to remain competitive in the global economy. But this premise is incompatible with the cold facts.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: college; collegedegree; debt; tuition
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s the old “correlation is not causation” problem.

People with college degrees historically have been more economically successful than people without them have been. Citing a few billionaires does not change that solid fact.

The error is in thinking that the college degree caused the success. In fact, when the college degree used to be a function of the degree holder’s intellectual advantage it was not surprising that people who were basically smarter would end up being more successful.

Now that college is democratized to the extent that anyone willing to sit there for four years can get one, the correlation with intelligence is broken, and that’s why people with a degree in Puppetry Studies can’t pay off their loans.


21 posted on 07/31/2013 8:16:48 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: SeekAndFind; alley cat

No question college is useless. Just look at some of the posts here on FR

“your right”

“I went their”

“Its a shame”

“Your to liberal”


22 posted on 07/31/2013 8:16:51 AM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in in a long time I am proud of my country.)
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To: ladyjane

How did you know that they went to college?


23 posted on 07/31/2013 8:17:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: rightwingextremist1776
A college degree is noting but a piece of paper for stupid people to hide behind and claim superiority.

I see. You couldn't hack it.

24 posted on 07/31/2013 8:18:23 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (People in America are still tried in the courts rather than by left-wing protesters or by the media.)
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To: EEGator

Many of them....yeah...many lack common sense. Ever work around engineers? Dumbest smart people in the world.


25 posted on 07/31/2013 8:19:24 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: SeekAndFind

I think for most, college is nothing but a 4 year bar tab.


26 posted on 07/31/2013 8:20:49 AM PDT by Mopp4
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

LOL...yeah...that’s it....

I dare say most college pukes couldn’t walk a yard in my shoes....including maybe you judging by your retort.


27 posted on 07/31/2013 8:21:07 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: warchild9

Still, try getting a job here in Central NC that pays more than $10/hour w/o a degree.

Well...move. That’s what people do, they move to the jobs. Depending on what you’re skill set is, be willing to go to the Dakotas where all sorts of jobs are plentiful. Most people that I’ve found that are chronically unemployed are stuck or trapped by geography and lack of imagination.


28 posted on 07/31/2013 8:21:48 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If you have an idea, business plan, or money to invest, college isn’t necessary. If your plan is to job hop and earn your money through paychecks, a high school diploma isn’t going to get much further than manager at Burger King.


29 posted on 07/31/2013 8:26:41 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: EEGator

IF they swallowed the PC Pablum. . .yes.

Smart people still can do VERY stupid things.

Almost ALL of my “distribution” courses in undergrad were absolutely useless, and taught nothing of lasting value.

HALF of my Master’s program was review of stuff an entry-level IT type is expected to know. . . another quarter was utterly irrelevant to current tech (example: a course on “Distributed Databases” in 2007. The technology died on the vine in 2002, but since the Prof did his Ph.D. on it in the late 1990s, we HAD to take it whether we wanted to or not. . .)


30 posted on 07/31/2013 8:28:58 AM PDT by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: Signalman
“About half the classes I took in 4 years of college were useless.”

Part of what college is all about is learning which subjects or tasks you enjoy and which ones you have a talent for. Very few college graduates work in the field they thought they would when they were freshmen. It’s certainly true that, in retrospect, many college courses I took have had little direct applicability to my career. And some courses that seemed “useless” at the time (in my case, statistics) later turn out to be indispensable on the job.

31 posted on 07/31/2013 8:29:59 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: SeekAndFind
7 years of college down the drain.
32 posted on 07/31/2013 8:31:04 AM PDT by mc5cents (Pray for America)
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To: SeekAndFind

Got my degree in 68 from the University of Hue.
Majored in the Humanities .

Go ahead.....look it up .


33 posted on 07/31/2013 8:34:44 AM PDT by Einherjar
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To: EEGator

I believe only lawyers and doctors need structured education. Everyone else can learn on their own as well as PhD folks, though they may not have access to the research tools needed to get there.


34 posted on 07/31/2013 8:36:14 AM PDT by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.g)
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To: Dick Vomer

Note: you’re = your
pet peeve

You gotta pay your dues to the system.

I had to finish my first degree in order to follow my boss out of a laboratory into sales—and much bigger bucks. (My company paid for most of my tuition...and the books, which was more important. I fiddled my way through subsequent book learnin’ on my own.)

If people want to move to crappy—but beautiful—places like the Dakotas instead of entering a professional career path, more power to them. But once their bodies start breaking down in a blue-collar job and the economy leaves them stranded...

I tell my students not to mess around and get the letters after their names as quickly as possible. Doors will open for them, then.

They can play at being blue collar heroes but have alternatives once they grow up.


35 posted on 07/31/2013 8:39:51 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: SeekAndFind
Too many jobs (that clearly do not) require a college degree. Obviously decided by someone in HR that figures they will get a better selection of job candidates.

Hint: Even though a job "requires" a(n unnecessary) degree... they do not pay any more than they did when the given position did not require any degree. I've seen it happen.

36 posted on 07/31/2013 8:50:06 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: EEGator
So doctors, engineers and officers in the military are stupid people?

No, I think that righwingexremist1776 might be telling us that he doesn't have a degree.

37 posted on 07/31/2013 8:56:30 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: warchild9

Once it became legally onerous to administer tests for job qualifications the requirement to possess a degree became the default test for an employment app.


38 posted on 07/31/2013 9:03:50 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: ladyjane
You forgot;

"What a looser"

and,

"This is series"

The Rachel Jantel admirers have been among us for some time.

39 posted on 07/31/2013 9:09:52 AM PDT by Utilizer (what does not kill you... -can sometimes damage you QUITE severely!)
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To: warchild9
And don’t give me crap about hypothetical “skilled trades.” The illegals have those nailed down.

Not here to give you crap but I find it hard to believe that illegals have the language skills to pass the licensing tests for plumber or electrician. Most states require apprentice time to be verified by a licensed journeyman before you can even apply to take the licensing tests.

40 posted on 07/31/2013 9:14:59 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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