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New Poll: Mike Enzi crushing Liz Cheney
Conservative Intel ^ | 7/19/13 | Conservative Intel

Posted on 07/19/2013 9:42:28 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier

Full results at the link. He's up by 34 points.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: 2013polls; cheney2014; enzi; wy2014
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1 posted on 07/19/2013 9:42:28 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier
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To: The Old Hoosier

Polls this far out are mostly meaningless.


2 posted on 07/19/2013 9:44:07 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: The Old Hoosier
I'm adamant about "no more Bushes," and I feel pretty much the same way about Cheneys, especially this one.
3 posted on 07/19/2013 9:44:23 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: The Old Hoosier

It’s early, but I doubt the end result will be any different. Just smaller margin.


4 posted on 07/19/2013 9:47:16 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Clever TV ads don't win votes in Wyoming. Retail politics do. I would be surprised if there was much more than about 60 towns in the entire state with a population over 600. I know there aren't even 20 with at least 5,000 people.

There are campgrounds in and around Yellowstone during the summer which have more people than some county seats.

5 posted on 07/19/2013 9:47:58 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: The Old Hoosier

Good. She’s running in a state where she doesn’t belong because her chances of winning would be better, not because it will help the conservative cause.

From what I’ve heard about Mike Enzi, he’s not perfect, but a lot better than Liz Cheney.

She’s only running for the Senate there because she thinks she’s entitled. It’s her turn.


6 posted on 07/19/2013 9:48:14 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: The Old Hoosier

Why doesn’t she run in a state that she’s from or at least knows about?


7 posted on 07/19/2013 9:49:09 AM PDT by Reagan79 (Today, I consider myself the wisest Latina Woman on the face of the earth.)
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To: The Old Hoosier

Dear Liz,

Why are you running against an incumbent conservative Republican US Senator wasting needless resources and causing needless division?

Don’t you think you could help further the cause by going after the DEMOCRATS instead?

Respectfully,
TBEL


8 posted on 07/19/2013 9:49:40 AM PDT by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: The Old Hoosier

I really cannot think of a reason to support him or her.


9 posted on 07/19/2013 9:49:49 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: The Old Hoosier

Other than the issue pertaining to the Internet tax, I’m not sure what beef GOPers should have with Enzi. With Cheney, much as I like her on many other matters, that affinity for homosexual marriage is a non-starter for me.


10 posted on 07/19/2013 9:51:46 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If you don't care about Antonio Santiago, sure as hell don't whine about Trayvon Martin.)
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To: The Old Hoosier

Liz Cheney is nuts. According to this poll, Enzi’s favorables are 76% vs. 6% unfavorables and she thinks she can beat him?


11 posted on 07/19/2013 9:52:04 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Cheney should run in the state she was born in and against a Democrat. We don’t need a bye, we need a win.


12 posted on 07/19/2013 9:52:45 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: The Old Hoosier

Liz Cheney is one of our best potential stars. Why the heck are people beating her up here? She has the same fearlessness her dad has in going after our opponents. Enzi is a fine guy, too, but why the heck do we pile up our own people?


13 posted on 07/19/2013 9:55:05 AM PDT by ilgipper (Obama is proving that very bad ideas can be wrapped up in pretty words)
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To: The Old Hoosier

Not as many broke-back cowboys in Wyoming as she thought?


14 posted on 07/19/2013 9:57:10 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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To: Reagan79
Why doesn’t she run in a state that she’s from or at least knows about?

Couldn't she please come to Virginia and run against THIS?


15 posted on 07/19/2013 9:57:13 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If you don't care about Antonio Santiago, sure as hell don't whine about Trayvon Martin.)
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To: Cicero

She’s running in a state where she doesn’t belong because her chances of winning would be better, not because it will help the conservative cause.


BINGO!!


16 posted on 07/19/2013 10:00:37 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds are diseased.)
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To: The Old Hoosier

I don’t want any Bushes, Cheneys or Clintons in power ANYWHERE.


17 posted on 07/19/2013 10:04:42 AM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

In Wyoming, we’re not that far out. The winner of the GOP primary in August, 2014, has a very strong chance of winning the November election.

Furthermore, if Dave Freudenthal (former Democratic governor of Wyoming) runs in the 2014 senate election, there’s a real contest. Meaning that the winner of the GOP primary has to have enough money and support left to beat Dave in the general election.

Unlike most other Democrats in Wyoming, Dave is a) very popular, b) knows the issues very well, c) has a sound head on his shoulders. He’s shown more balls in taking on the federal government on land, water and wildlife issues than most of the GOP field.

If Dave wins the DNC primary and is running for Enzi’s seat next fall, I’d predict that if Cheney somehow won the primary, she’d cost the GOP the seat because she’s utterly ignorant of the local issues in Wyoming. And living in Jackson will cement the stereotype she’s creating as a rich carpet bagger parachuting in from DC.


18 posted on 07/19/2013 10:05:31 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: ilgipper

She’s great as a talking head and quick on her feet on TV.

She doesn’t know jack about the state issues. She’s not in the front of any crowd of potential best GOP candidates at this point.


19 posted on 07/19/2013 10:06:59 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: The Old Hoosier

What state is this, and what office is the contest for, and when are the elections to be held? Other than that, it was an excellent post.


20 posted on 07/19/2013 10:07:15 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: ilgipper

Define “our” ? She’s a creature of the party establishment and is outright leftist on gay marriage. That’s a non-starter. She’s also moving to a state she hasn’t lived in since a kid (30 years) to try to buy a Senate seat all because she is too timid to run from a state (Virginia) she has lived in for years. She has no business running in Wyoming.


21 posted on 07/19/2013 10:08:03 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: ilgipper

Because she is running for what reason exactly?? to replace an already good conservative so she can “get” a seat.

To me that speaks volumes about her character.
show me some REAL guts, run in VA against a Dem or Rino...

not just “its my turn cause I am Cheneys daughter”!

having lived in Wyo my whole life... she is toast. A true fools gold there. simply selfish pride.


22 posted on 07/19/2013 10:09:29 AM PDT by wyowolf
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To: ilgipper
Her campaign tactic to defeat Enzi is to say that Enzi is not fighting the Obama agenda hard enough. Meanwhile, every where Obama travels too, he pushes homosexual marriage, even in Africa. I do not see Liz Cheney fighting the Obama homosexual agenda, so that makes her a big hypocrite.
23 posted on 07/19/2013 10:09:39 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus
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To: 1010RD
Cheney should run in the state she was born in and against a Democrat.

She was born in Wisconsin, but her ties there are as tenuous as her ties to Wyoming are. Virginia would have been more appropriate, but she'd have to run a real race there.

24 posted on 07/19/2013 10:12:09 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: The Old Hoosier

Republicans in general are disgusted and sickened by the idea of homosexual “marriage”. IMO, without this bizarre capitulation by Liz, it would be a close race. I would vote for her, that’s for sure, if this were MY choice. Bob


25 posted on 07/19/2013 10:12:55 AM PDT by alstewartfan ("The atmosphere's too cold in here to attract a butterfly like that." Al Stewart)
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To: NVDave
If Dave wins the DNC primary and is running for Enzi’s seat next fall, I’d predict that if Cheney somehow won the primary, she’d cost the GOP the seat because she’s utterly ignorant of the local issues in Wyoming. And living in Jackson will cement the stereotype she’s creating as a rich carpet bagger parachuting in from DC.

Do you suppose Freudenthal is waiting to see how the GOP race is going before committing? I assume that if he's up against Enzi then he'd have to be considered a long-shot?

26 posted on 07/19/2013 10:14:38 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: The Old Hoosier

Iv’e always liked Liz. She usually comes down solidly on the right side of the issue and she will bring it as far as getting on TV and presenting the conservative view. I have never even heard of Enzi. We need more in your face on TV types like Cruz and Paul.


27 posted on 07/19/2013 10:16:11 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: ilgipper
Liz Cheney is one of our best potential stars. Why the heck are people beating her up here?

I, too, am taken aback not only by the vicious attacks on her, but on her supporters in this forum as well.

28 posted on 07/19/2013 10:16:54 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Eleutheria5
What state is this, and what office is the contest for, and when are the elections to be held? Other than that, it was an excellent post.

Have you been on a desert island for the last week? Liz Cheney announced she's running for senate from Wyoning and challenging Mike Enzi in the primary.

29 posted on 07/19/2013 10:19:30 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Flavious_Maximus
I do not see Liz Cheney fighting the Obama homosexual agenda, so that makes her a big hypocrite.

So what has Enzi done to fight the homosexual agenda?

30 posted on 07/19/2013 10:20:38 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: 0.E.O

Yes. If Dave tries to run against Enzi, he’d probably lose, barring any slip-up by Enzi between now and then.

If Enzi were to lose to Cheney, then Dave would probably jump in the race, because only a few debates aired on public TV or on radio stations across the state will show who knows their buttocks from a warm rock on any sunny day in Wyoming. Dave would walk away with any debate.

Cheney might have chops in international affairs, but people in Wyoming, by and large, don’t give a rat’s rear end about foreign affairs just now. Wyomingites have sent enough of their young people off to wars for the neo-con’s causes that they’re tired of it. What’s on people’s mind right now is Obama’s “war on coal” and the ruinous increase in electric rates it would cause.

I’m a retired EE, I know a little bit about power generation, tariffs and power distribution, and when I’ve heard Dave speak on the subject, I’ve been blown away with his competence and articulation of actual facts. Get into a discussion of windmills vs. coal plants in Wyoming, and you will quickly find out that Dave Freudenthal knows his stuff. Get into a discussion of hunting, wildlife management, wolf management and so on - and you quickly find out that Dave knows his stuff. Get into a discussion of business in the state, gas/coal/oil receipts, farm prices, cattle numbers... and you find out Dave knows his stuff.

I’m being quite serious here. I’d long since written off most politicians of both parties as dumb, inbred Ivy League grifters when we moved to Wyoming. The first time I heard Dave on a local AM radio show, I was impressed. He made himself available once a month for an *hour* on a local radio station, and he made time to talk on lots of local AM radio stations in Wyoming. People could call in and talk directly to the governor of the state, on the air. They got *answers* to their questions. It is retail politics at its finest, and Dave knows the facts cold, so he can do it.

Cheney would be utterly wiped out by Dave Freudenthal. Just utterly destroyed.


31 posted on 07/19/2013 10:22:54 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: The Old Hoosier

Enzi better be careful. Crossing the wrong people makes you tend to explode your car. /sarc (sort of)


32 posted on 07/19/2013 10:23:48 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: The Old Hoosier

Guess they don’t care for carpetbaggers.


33 posted on 07/19/2013 10:24:45 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: 0.E.O

If I were, your post would be scant help in catching me up. That’s all I’m saying.


34 posted on 07/19/2013 10:29:13 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: The Old Hoosier

She has a right to run. Enzi is not entitled to this job. Heck, he’s been there for 16 years. Anybody that has been in Washington that long needs to be challenged just to keep them honest. Let them fight it out and see if he deserves to keep his job.
The Republican Party has grown stagnant. Our leaders pursue old ideas. They have grown comfortable with Washington’s paternalism and have become convinced the problem is Democrats in charge and not government itself. They talk of small government, but they often do not practice what they preach. Even if Cheney loses, Enzi needs to understand that he has to start putting points on the board instead of just expecting our support because of the “R” next to his name.


35 posted on 07/19/2013 10:31:45 AM PDT by BO Stinkss (RINOs suck)
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To: The Old Hoosier

Listening to Mark Levin last night and he praised Liz Cheney, what the hell is the “great one” thinking????

I am thinking of downgrading him to the “Slightly better one”.....


36 posted on 07/19/2013 10:35:26 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: NVDave
Cheney would be utterly wiped out by Dave Freudenthal. Just utterly destroyed.

You have to wonder just what is going through that woman's head. Does she honestly thing that she can breeze into the state and spout that "My heart has always been in Wyoming" crap and expect people to look at her like a long lost relative? Is she looking at a senate seat as an extension of her punditry and doesn't think she'll have to actually work at the nation's business? Or has she just been in DC so long she's completely lost touch with the rest of the planet? I'm in central Nebraska and I doubt that the folks here are a whole lot different than the average Wyoming resident, and everyone thinks "If she tried that stunt here she'd be laughed out of the state". And our senator is not only retiring but is a shade less conservative than Enzi is.

37 posted on 07/19/2013 10:36:12 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: ScottinVA
Curious that she is married, but is using her maiden name.

Wonder why?

Daddy's name.

She just moved to WY last fall.

Ironic that in another related thread yesterday, she was talking about what Wyomingites needed. How the hell does SHE know what they want or need? Carpetbagger!
38 posted on 07/19/2013 10:42:04 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: The Old Hoosier

This is not surprising. I have lived and worked in many rural parts of the country and the one thing that trumps everything else in the dislike column for locals, is “outsiders” showing up and telling them how to do things. She is obviously seen as an outsider trying to tell the people of Wyoming they were wrong to elect their Senator — fail.


39 posted on 07/19/2013 10:42:46 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: ilgipper
Liz Cheney is one of our best potential stars. Why the heck are people beating her up here? She has the same fearlessness her dad has in going after our opponents. Enzi is a fine guy, too, but why the heck do we pile up our own people?

Great question for Liz. Enzi's is a safe seat, and he's mostly a good conservative. So why on earth did she decide to pick this needless fight?
Anyway, we don't need another GOP vote for homo "marriage".

40 posted on 07/19/2013 10:44:54 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Yeah...”resist we much”

No Cheney.


41 posted on 07/19/2013 10:45:52 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: ilgipper

Cheney is not conservative.

Liz Cheney agrees with the radical left wing homosexual agenda. She wanted DADT ended and rejoiced when it was, she was against DOMA, is against a constitutional amendment to save marriage, and supports gay marriage, and supports the State department move to the gay agenda.


42 posted on 07/19/2013 10:47:00 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: TomGuy

” Ironic that in another related thread yesterday, she was talking about what Wyomingites needed. How the hell does SHE know what they want or need? Carpetbagger! “

I’m thinking another “Dubya” amnesty vote.


43 posted on 07/19/2013 10:47:55 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: Lancey Howard

I agree. And I bet she’s soft on the border & immigration whereas Enzi is excellent on the issue from what I understand.


44 posted on 07/19/2013 10:47:57 AM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Iv’e always liked Liz. She usually comes down solidly on the right side of the issue and she will bring it as far as getting on TV and presenting the conservative view.

She has spent years promoting the homosexual agenda, and at age 46, after all these years of politics, Romney support, and interviews, no one knows her abortion views.

To me that tells us what her abortion views are, no matter how she tries to soft pedal them at some future point when she is cornered and has to answer.

45 posted on 07/19/2013 10:52:49 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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To: 0.E.O

I know exactly what’s going through her head.

She’s been selected by the GOP-e to run. They want a reliable, pliable candidate who will be reliably interventionist in middle eastern affairs, ready to carry water for the Federal Reserve and the Wall Street cartels, etc.

They know Enzi is getting old(er) and they’re seeking to lock up this seat before it gets vacated and a possible “Tea Party” populist can get their foot in the door and the neo-cons lose more influence in the Congress.

She’s thinking “I have the GOP party hacks and money men behind me, so I should win against a guy who is the favorite of a bunch of gap-toothed hillbillies, rednecks and snaggle-toothed ranchers and their cows.”


46 posted on 07/19/2013 10:58:14 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: Blood of Tyrants

No real difference between the two. I suspect Cheney may be more liberal than Enzi. Don’t need socially liberal pro amnesty neocons. If Cheney campaigned against amnesty, I’d be interested.


47 posted on 07/19/2013 11:02:31 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: The Old Hoosier
Nothing against Liz Cheney, but why isn't she running in Virginia? She's from McLean and moved there in 2012.

I know she claims 160 years of family history in Wyoming, but it's not her dad or grandpa running. I have family history in New York and Limerick. It doesn't mean I've from there or have personal history there.

If she moved to Jackson, that probably makes it even tougher.

48 posted on 07/19/2013 11:04:58 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: ilgipper
Liz Cheney is one of our best potential stars. Why the heck are people beating her up here?

My one major problem problem is carpetbagging. I don't like it at all. A lot of small town people resent it in a major way.

49 posted on 07/19/2013 11:08:34 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: The Old Hoosier

I wonder if this is part of a push to stop the growth of females within the GOP from being conservative females, “grizzly mamas”.

Liz Cheney is a perfect rino/social liberal leader to represent a non-threatening GOPe female counter to the grizzlies.


50 posted on 07/19/2013 11:09:53 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Santorum appeared on CBS and pronounced George Zimmerman guilty of murder, first degree. March-2012)
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