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Zimmerman could still be held responsible for Martin's death
CNN ^ | July 14, 2013 | Ben Brumfield

Posted on 07/14/2013 6:59:27 AM PDT by Innovative

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To: Innovative

How exactly were St. Trayvon’s civil rights violated ?

They are free to pursue a wrongful death civil suit if they think they can win, but in the end, what do they expect in return? Money ....from George Zimmerman? What money? He doesn’t have any money to speak of.

In order to show damages one would have to look at the potential loss of earnings, and the trajectory of Trayvon’s life at the time of his demise, he was headed fro being a burden on society, not a contributor.


21 posted on 07/14/2013 7:10:26 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Innovative; All
Maybe not, I haven't checked it out but I've heard that Florida self defense laws forbid any civil actions after acquittal.

This, of course will depend on Rick Scott finding his cajones and defending Florida laws.

22 posted on 07/14/2013 7:10:27 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Innovative

The conservative news media is very bit as guilty.

Several times an hour, some one on Fox News looks so sad and pronounces how terrible it is and how much they feel for the parents, that they have lost their son.

They should tell it the way it is.

His father was and may still be a gang banger.

Martin was doomed to a life on the streets as a low level rogue.

With a father like that, a school record like his, how could it have turned out any different?

The radical left who cry over Martin, and the conservatives who do, should spend the time getting their own children on the right track.

But tears over a born loser, born to a family of losers, are foolish.


23 posted on 07/14/2013 7:11:17 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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Also:

Media’s High-Tech Lynching Of George Zimmerman

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/070513-662690-courtroom-testimony-shatters-media-narrative-about-zimmerman.htm

“Major media also ignored Martin’s criminal history.

At the time of the shooting, he was visiting Zimmerman’s townhouse complex in Sanford, Fla., from Miami, where he’d been suspended from school after officials found burglary tools and allegedly stolen jewelry in his backpack.

Previously, police had detained him for pot, firearms and defacing school property. He’d also allegedly been involved in various assaults.

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Detectives also corroborated what a key eyewitness, John Good, told the court — that he saw from his balcony the 6-3 Martin straddling the 5-8 Zimmerman on the sidewalk below and raining down punches on his face in a mixed martial arts-style “ground and pound.””


24 posted on 07/14/2013 7:11:34 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Bryan24

Perhaps I’m wrong, but I thought the civil rights laws only came into play with state agents acting under color of law. That’s how they got the convictions in the Rodney king case. Cops—state agents. Zimmerman was NOT acting as an agent of the state nor was he acting under color of law.

any FReeper attorneys in the house who can more intelligently comment. This?


25 posted on 07/14/2013 7:11:49 AM PDT by VideoPaul
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To: Innovative
It'll be hard for them to get past this:

FBI report: No evidence George Zimmerman is racist

And someone said last night that in Florida, the law does not allow civil suits for wrongful death when a Not Guilty verdict is returned.

26 posted on 07/14/2013 7:12:54 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: CurlyDave
because the contents of the cell phone will come into evidence in any civil suit

Ah, the one the Dad wouldn't give the Police the password for, huh?

27 posted on 07/14/2013 7:13:03 AM PDT by John123 (US$ - I owe you nothing. Euro - Who owes you nothing.)
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To: Innovative
Oh...they will try two things. 1st, Federal charges on violation of his civil rights. Then, most certainly, a civil suite.

But, the best evidence in both of those was just delivered by the jury...which was based on the mountains of evidence in support of Zimmerman.

Zimmerman found not guilty

From USA Today

SANFORD, Fla.--George Zimmerman, the man accused of murdering Trayvon Martin, was found not guilty of second-degree murder and manslaughter on Saturday.

The verdict is the culmination of a case that captured the nation's attention and will undoubtedly be imprinted in America's history. For Zimmerman, it means trying to recapture his life after he was at the center of a national maelstrom over racial profiling, state gun laws and what constitutes self-defense.

The not guilty verdict means the jury of six women found that Zimmerman justifiably used deadly force and reasonably believed that such force was "necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm" to himself — Florida's definition of self-defense.

Zimmerman showed no emotion as the verdict was read. After the verdict was read, he smiled slightly and shook hands with one of his lawyers.

The unidentified jurors decided Zimmerman didn't "intentionally commit an act or acts that caused death" or demonstrate a "depraved mind without regard for human life" --Florida's definitions of manslaughter and second degree murder, respectively.

In a press conference after the verdict, Zimmerman attorney Mark O'Mara said his client will now need to get on with his life.

"I think he's going to be great. I think he is still worried. Hopefully everyone will respect the jury's verdict," O'Mara said.

He offered his sympathies to Trayvon's parents for the loss of their son. But he said despite the national protests that erupted after the shooting, the case had nothing to do with civil rights.

Zimmerman's brother, Robert, told CNN's Piers Morgan that his brother was processing the reality that he is free.

"He has some decompressing to do," he said. "Our family was emotional. We are exonerated as a family and George is exonerated as a defendant. It's going to take us some time to heal."

For all the euphoria on Zimmerman's team, prosecutors and Trayvon's family faced a huge letdown. Trayvon's parents were not in the courtroom when the verdict was read.

Trayvon's father Tracy posted on Twitter, "Even though I am broken-hearted, my faith is unshattered. I will always love my baby Tray ... even in his death I know my baby proud of the FIGHT we along with all of you put up for him."

The family's attorney Benjamin Crump thanked all the protesters nationwide who "put their hoodies up and to everybody who said, 'I am Trayvon.' " He urged supporters to remain peaceful, despite the verdict.

Lead prosecutor Bernie De la Rionda said, "I am disappointed in the verdict but I respect it. We accept the jury's verdict."

My own feeling is this. I have followed the trial closely...each day. The Jury clearly looked at the evidence, which was overwhelming for the defense and Zimmerman.

Zimmerman's nose was broken and his face was bruised and bloodied after the confrontation. He had cuts and bruises on the back of his head. He had grass stains on the back of his shirt and pants. Treyvon had no injuries from the fight, except the gunshot wound. There were scrapes on his knuckles. And he had grass stains on his knees. All of this was supported by the forensic evidence and was not challenged.

It is clear who was delivering a beating, and who was receiving it. An eye witness indicated Treyvon was on top of Zimmerman and hitting him. Clearly, the one who was screaming histerically, and terrified for help, was the one being beaten, not the one on top doing the beating.

In almost all cases, the prosecution witnesses, under cross examination, gave testimony that ended up supporting Zimmerman's story.

It is tragic that things happened like they did. But neither person had broken any laws, or committed any crime, and could have walked away from this up until the time one of them decided to sucker punch the other in the face, break his nose and knock him down. Even then Treyvon could have walked away and had very little long term personal consequence. But when he began beating Zimmerman on the ground as he did, he took a path that led to his death. Zimmerman finally shot, and the forensic evidence showed that Treyvon was shot at close range, with the bullet traveling upward through his body (and his heart) while Zimmerman was on the ground.

There simply was not evidence of any hate crimes. There was simply no evidence of murder or negligence. The jury decided that Zimmerman was defending himself.

We know now that Zimmerman, an Hispanic male, mentored young black kids in his spare time. No racist there at all.

No, it is tragic that a 17 year old young man was killed. He was not a "little" kid. He was 6' 2" tall, 170 lbs, and was quite muscular and fit as a high school football player. Zimmerman was 5'9", also weighed around 170 lbs, but was not in good shape and over weight. And Treyvon was not angelic...far from it. His facebook page and tweets make that clear enough, as does his own record...all of which the jury could not hear...and in the end, did not need to.

Would Zimmerman have died that night? We will never know. But he clearly thought he was in great danger, and he was definitely being beat up. So he finally pulled his gun and shot in self defense.

I pray the country can move on from this. This case was trumped up by politicians, the Media, and those seeking a racial cause. The local police had already pretty much determined what this jury found and that is why Zimmerman was released after being taken to the police station that night. These types of things happen fairly often in this nation of 350 million.

For example, shortly before this event, a black man, who was being stalked by 4-5 white thugs, was at home one night when these thugs came to his house and began calling him names, and throwing rocks at his home from his drive way. He was safe in his home. It was secure and he was armed. He did not have to go out. But they were on his property and he decided to go out and confront them. There was an argument. One of the young men, about 19 years old, charged the man yelling that he was going to hurt him. The man shot...and the 19 year old died.

That man was not tried. He was not arrested for murder or manslaughter. Everyone knew these kids were on his property and up to no good. He could have stayed inside, but he decided to confront the evil on his property and when attacked, he defended himself. I have no problem with it...and believe more Americans should send such messages to criminals when they are threatened. 911 takes on average 9 minutes for anyone to get there. Usually by that time, it is over.

That above case happened in Florida by the way...and there was no outcry, no demands to punish that man for killing the much younger man. It was clearly self defense...as was this case with Zimmerman.

28 posted on 07/14/2013 7:13:58 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Innovative

He shouldn’t be. This was a political trial, I suspect about gun control.


29 posted on 07/14/2013 7:14:20 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Innovative

A Federal case could be “ investigated” for show, but will go nowhere.

Does anyone know what George can do to avoid a successful civil suit? Relocating, or???


30 posted on 07/14/2013 7:14:49 AM PDT by JustTheTruth
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To: Bryan24

Don’t forget something very important.

The rules of evidence in a civil suit are entirely different from those in a criminal case.

There is this powerful weapon called discovery in which lawyers can ask about and dig into the darkest corners of their opponent’s past.

They will depose anyone and everyone who ever had any contact with Travon.

Facts not allowed in the criminal case, such as Travon’s fathers past gang activity, his street fights, his school records, his cell phone contents,....everything will be dug up.

If the Martin family is smart, they will have no part of it.


31 posted on 07/14/2013 7:16:57 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: JustTheTruth

http://lawofselfdefense.com/statute/fl-776-032%E2%80%83immunity-from-criminal-prosecution-and-civil-action-for-justifiable-use-of-force/


32 posted on 07/14/2013 7:17:04 AM PDT by Perdogg (Cruz-Paul 2016)
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To: Innovative


33 posted on 07/14/2013 7:17:57 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Innovative

In any case the FACTS will simply come out again, and that aint good for Mr. Skittles.


34 posted on 07/14/2013 7:18:07 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Innovative

I have a feeling we will be hearing from Eric Holder soon.


35 posted on 07/14/2013 7:19:34 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: TigerClaws

Oh Jeez, best to refrain from “smoking” breakfast then trying to write coherently.


36 posted on 07/14/2013 7:20:35 AM PDT by X-spurt (I'm copywriting creepy ass cracker, send royalties to BR549)
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To: Innovative

I thought the media (and government) didn’t get involved in local crime cases.

There is no there there.

Jesse Jackass won’t be happy until he personally lynches Mr. Zimmerman.


37 posted on 07/14/2013 7:23:20 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Ouderkirk
You are exactly right!

Potential earnings for Trayvon?

He would have been dead or in prison in 5 years. He was on his way to a short violent life.

38 posted on 07/14/2013 7:24:30 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: ClearCase_guy

O.J. Simpson was convicted of a civil offense in the double murder of Nicole Simpson and Ron Brown.

But the Feds don’t have a case and they know it. FBI already looked at the case.

Meanwhile Nidal Hasan is still sucking air and drawing a paycheck off the taxpayers. HELLO.


39 posted on 07/14/2013 7:25:04 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Ditter

A dope dealer can make some good money in 5 years of hustlin’.


40 posted on 07/14/2013 7:25:41 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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