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Some people aren't going to be very pleased or happy reading about an effective process of converting CO2 into methanol.

This process has the capability if not to change the world, certainly to create a new paradigm shift that is probably even more valuable than the shale oil, gas breakthrough.

There are many numerous benefits of being able to convert CO2 into methanol that it boggles the mind. I just hope the guys working on this project have never tried getting Cold Fusion to work.

1 posted on 06/23/2013 3:31:33 PM PDT by lbryce
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To: SunkenCiv

PING


2 posted on 06/23/2013 3:32:14 PM PDT by lbryce (BHO:"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds by way Oppenheimer at Trinity NM)
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"that the chemical reaction does not damage the catalyst"

Isn't this pretty much the OLD definition of catalyst?

3 posted on 06/23/2013 3:35:27 PM PDT by Paladin2
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Unless it violates the second law of thermodynamics, you have to put more power in than you get out. Which, ultimately, means using nuclear power plants to provide power going into the process.

Nothing wrong with that, but the greenies will predictably object. And the regulators have pretty much guaranteed that there will be little or no new nuclear power in the foreseeable future.

Also, it’s not necessarily green, since if you convert enough CO2, you’ll starve the plants.


4 posted on 06/23/2013 3:36:43 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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"... but for now the process is expensive"

Problem solved....(I dislike methanol)

5 posted on 06/23/2013 3:36:50 PM PDT by Paladin2
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Sounds like they may be awhile finding a way to synthesize the hydroborane. There is always a twist in the road.


6 posted on 06/23/2013 3:40:27 PM PDT by pallis
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Stop hallucinating. The process is not cost effective and who knows when it will be. So far it is just an interesting chemistry experiment....

Unicorns prancing through the flowery meadows ...


7 posted on 06/23/2013 3:41:03 PM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing - Joe Pine)
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You can get 19.7 MJ/kg by burning methanol with 100% efficiency. How much energy does it take to produce it?

Maybe you can accept a lot of inefficiency if you have some otherwise wasted energy like solar, wind or nuclear during off-peak hours.

8 posted on 06/23/2013 3:42:47 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (This message has been recorded but not approved by Obama's StasiNet. Read it at your peril.)
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To: lbryce

I usually stop reading, or at least read on with skepticism when a “popular science” like publication makes an absurd statement such as “chemists are looking for catalysts that would yield the opposite reaction.”. First off, catalysts don’t “yield the opposite reaction. They lower the activation energy barrier on an otherwise thermodynamically favorable reaction, thus improving kinetics and therefore the forward reaction rate. There is no “catalyst” that magically turns the arrow around on an energetically favored (but maybe blocked by an energy barrier) forward reaction.


9 posted on 06/23/2013 3:43:23 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: lbryce
Probably not.

The only downside of the operation is the price tag.

11 posted on 06/23/2013 3:48:46 PM PDT by DManA (our)
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“CO2 to methanol catalysis requires a source of hydrogen and chemical energy.”

The main source of hydrogen today is . . . petroleum. Not real sure how this process is going to be much help.


12 posted on 06/23/2013 3:52:41 PM PDT by Stosh
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To: lbryce

for later


14 posted on 06/23/2013 3:57:40 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: lbryce

Burning alcohol actually dirtier than gasoline and less fuel efficient.


15 posted on 06/23/2013 3:58:29 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (IÂ’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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“but for now the process is expensive,” explained Professor Fontaine. “It takes a lot of energy to synthesize hydroborane”

LOL! Guess there’s no free lunch after all.

Yep, this is a WONDERFUL process except it takes, oh let’s say, 50,000 BTU to make 5,000 BTU worth of methane.

Given that this is one of those magic catalyst schemes, for a second I thought this was a Kevmo post, but then I saw that the chemists admitted their scheme was essentially a fantasy because it had just one teensy, weensy, teeny, tiny, itsy, bitsy, lil problem, namely it’s all basically BS afterall.


17 posted on 06/23/2013 4:02:06 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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The new CO2 to methanol catalysis requires a source of hydrogen and chemical energy. The researchers had the idea of using a compound called hydroborane (BH3), and the results have been spectacular. The reaction achieved is two times more effective than the best catalyst known—and it produces little waste. ... the chemical reaction does not damage the catalyst, which can be reactivated by adding new substrate. ... It takes a lot of energy to synthesize hydroborane, which makes it more expensive than methanol. We are working on ways to make the process more profitable by optimizing the reaction and exploring other hydrogen sources.

So, essentially, we have a hydrogen-fueled system. If this were successful, guess where all the hydrogen would come from? Why, yes...natural gas recovered via fracking.

What makes more sense? Generating power via combustion of NG in combined cycle plants? Or going to all the trouble of separating H2 from NG, then synthesizing "hydrobrane" and using it in a system to convert CO2 to methanol and then burning the methanol to make power?

21 posted on 06/23/2013 4:24:21 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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"Effective Method for Converting CO2 Into Methanol"

Pretty cool if true....but is the cost/energy of doing the conversion greater than the BTUs of the Methanol that is produced?
25 posted on 06/23/2013 4:50:20 PM PDT by indthkr
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Gee. All that’s missing is a Mr. Fusion Carberator and you’d have the perfect system.


30 posted on 06/23/2013 5:44:24 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (Thy Kingdom come!)
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Université Laval researchers have developed a highly effective method for converting CO2 into methanol, which can be used as a low-emissions fuel for vehicles...so much for the global warming racket......
34 posted on 06/23/2013 8:58:54 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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If someone comes up with a safe and COST EFFECTIVE way to convert CO2 to methane the result will be a depletion of the CO2 needed to support plant growth resulting in a collapse of crop yields, mass starvation, worldwide war, global cooling resulting in a new ice age, the return of wooly mammoths and saber tooth cats, Alley Oop will be the new world dictator, sea levels will fall ten thousand feet in fifteen minutes, oh,no, please don’t let it be true!


36 posted on 06/24/2013 6:03:44 AM PDT by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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“The only downside of the operation is the price tag. ... for now the process is expensive,” explained Professor Fontaine. “It takes a lot of energy to synthesize hydroborane, which makes it more expensive than methanol.”

Nice - a gasseous version of solar energy...


38 posted on 06/24/2013 6:53:48 AM PDT by green iguana
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for now the process is expensive," explained Professor Fontaine. "It takes a lot of energy to synthesize hydroborane, which makes it more expensive than methanol. We are working on ways to make the process more profitable by optimizing the reaction and exploring other hydrogen sources."

Aye, there's the rub! There are many power sources that are "better" than fossil fuels... but they are all just too expensive to make into large-scale replacements. Funny how money is actually important to folks. =^)

Cheers to the first one to actually make a cost-efficient alternative, especially without subsidies!

42 posted on 06/24/2013 8:24:58 AM PDT by Teacher317 (The public is being manipulated to fleece the taxpayer. That is the real industry in Washington.)
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