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Obama: Religious schools encourage division
Hotair ^ | 06/20/2013 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 06/20/2013 7:57:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Barack Obama actually made this claim at a speech in Belfast on Monday, but it seems to be gaining traction overnight. His claim, aimed at both Catholic and Protestant “schools and buildings,” came in prepared remarks rather than an extemporaneous response to a question. The Scottish Catholic Observer quotes the argument accurately:

The US President has made an alarming call for an end to Catholic education in Northern Ireland in spite of the fact that Archbishop Gerhard Müller told Scots that Catholic education was ‘a critical component of the Church.’

President Barack Obama (above), repeated the oft disproved claim that Catholic education increases division in front of an audience of 2000 young people, including many Catholics, at Belfast’s Waterfront hall when he arrived in the country this morning.

“If towns remain divided—if Catholics have their schools and buildings and Protestants have theirs, if we can’t see ourselves in one another and fear or resentment are allowed to harden—that too encourages division and discourages cooperation,” the US president said.

The US politician made the unfounded claim despite a top Vatican official spelling out the undeniable good done by Catholic education in a speech in Glasgow on Saturday and in his homily at Mass on Friday.

I’ll quote the passage in its full context:

We need you to get this right. And what’s more, you set an example for those who seek a peace of their own. Because beyond these shores, right now, in scattered corners of the world, there are people living in the grip of conflict — ethnic conflict, religious conflict, tribal conflicts — and they know something better is out there. And they’re groping to find a way to discover how to move beyond the heavy hand of history, to put aside the violence. They’re studying what you’re doing. And they’re wondering, perhaps if Northern Ireland can achieve peace, we can, too. You’re their blueprint to follow. You’re their proof of what is possible — because hope is contagious. They’re watching to see what you do next.

Now, some of that is up to your leaders. As someone who knows firsthand how politics can encourage division and discourage cooperation, I admire the Northern Ireland Executive and the Northern Ireland Assembly all the more for making power-sharing work. That’s not easy to do. It requires compromise, and it requires absorbing some pain from your own side. I applaud them for taking responsibility for law enforcement and for justice, and I commend their effort to “Building a United Community” — important next steps along your transformational journey.

Because issues like segregated schools and housing, lack of jobs and opportunity — symbols of history that are a source of pride for some and pain for others — these are not tangential to peace; they’re essential to it. If towns remain divided — if Catholics have their schools and buildings, and Protestants have theirs — if we can’t see ourselves in one another, if fear or resentment are allowed to harden, that encourages division. It discourages cooperation.

Ultimately, peace is just not about politics. It’s about attitudes; about a sense of empathy; about breaking down the divisions that we create for ourselves in our own minds and our own hearts that don’t exist in any objective reality, but that we carry with us generation after generation.

Does that make the context any better? Er … not really. He’s speaking in terms of Northern Ireland, but pretty explicitly calling for that to be a model for the rest of the world. His argument makes two very large assumptions, which is that the conflict in Northern Ireland was about religion, and that parochial schools make people inclined to violence. The first is a gross oversimplification; the conflict in recent times was political, dealing with ethnic conflict and sovereignty issues, with religion used more for tribal identification than a core of the conflict.

The second is just absurd. Catholics and Protestants have thousands of schools in the US, and we don’t have warfare in the streets in the US between the sects. The issue wasn’t the schools, nor the belief systems of Catholics and Protestants that such schools teach. However, this makes a handy mechanism to call for the displacement of private education and religious instruction from education, with nothing left except state-controlled schools that indoctrinate children into whatever norms the governing/ruling class deem acceptable.

My friend Father Z wonders whether Obama will make this call truly consistent:

Off the top of my head, I can’t think of a foreign visit to a Islamic nation where he told people on his arrival that they shouldn’t have madrasas. Can you?

Did he when visiting, say, Israel, say “You Jews shouldn’t have synagogue schools and you muslims shouldn’t have mosque schools.” I can’t remember. Did he?

I’d guess … no.

Update: The comments came in a speech on Monday, not on Friday. I’ve fixed it above; thanks to Joel Pollak at Breitbart for the heads-up.



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1 posted on 06/20/2013 7:57:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
We always knew that "diversitah" was about just the opposite.
2 posted on 06/20/2013 7:58:33 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Religious faith in government is far crazier than religious faith in God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Germany ruled the with the same reasoning to outlaw anything but public schooling

(where the kids get taught the State-approved information).


3 posted on 06/20/2013 7:58:53 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

Barack Obama causes division, let’s get rid of him.


4 posted on 06/20/2013 7:58:57 AM PDT by DonkeyBonker (Hard to paddle against the flow of sewage coming out of the White House.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The faih-based schools encourage responsible citizenship.


5 posted on 06/20/2013 7:59:17 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Mr. Obama - does this reasoning apply to madrassas as well?


6 posted on 06/20/2013 7:59:56 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

“The faih-based schools encourage responsible citizenship.”

The faith-based schools encourage responsible citizenship.


7 posted on 06/20/2013 8:01:09 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

First, he came for the Home Schoolers, then the catholic Schools, what’s next?


8 posted on 06/20/2013 8:03:44 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama’s daughters attend a Quaker school...


9 posted on 06/20/2013 8:04:06 AM PDT by GOPJ (Why don't Democrats waste their time trying to win the votes of gun owners? - Coulter)
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To: SeekAndFind

Revolt has started, with yesterday’s rally in DC.


10 posted on 06/20/2013 8:07:41 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: SeekAndFind
That's a good thing!

Christians should want to be separated from the secular Socialist/Communist nonsense that our PC public schools indoctrinate the kids with.

11 posted on 06/20/2013 8:08:11 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: Biggirl

RE: Revolt has started, with yesterday’s rally in DC.

Does anyone know how large the crowd was?


12 posted on 06/20/2013 8:08:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe pattern ourselves after the all inclusive leftists.
(mega-sarc)


13 posted on 06/20/2013 8:09:31 AM PDT by daku
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To: SeekAndFind

Now here’s one thing Obongo knows about:”DIVISIVNESS”!!!!He is a MASTER at it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


14 posted on 06/20/2013 8:10:01 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: GOPJ

RE: Obama’s daughters attend a Quaker school...

Yes, but how faithful are their teachers to the Bible?

“Quaker” today might mean as much nowadays as “Episcopalian” or “Anglican” or even Boy Scouts of America...


15 posted on 06/20/2013 8:11:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Up to between 7,000-10,000 on the USA Capitol grounds yesterday. Saw for a while on CSPAN.


16 posted on 06/20/2013 8:13:25 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m surprised the interfering arrogant citizen of the world didn’t order them to start busing that did such wonders for our schools. Didn’t himself attend a Catholic school somewhere...


17 posted on 06/20/2013 8:14:26 AM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,Â)
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To: DonkeyBonker

AMEN


18 posted on 06/20/2013 8:21:42 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: SeekAndFind
And snotty nosed, elitist, prep schools don't???

What a freaking moron...

19 posted on 06/20/2013 8:23:03 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

20 posted on 06/20/2013 8:23:30 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama is talking about the madrassases right?


21 posted on 06/20/2013 8:24:15 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: SeekAndFind
Only liberals can see racial discrimination in something like genuine religious schools.

I wonder if Obama is also speaking of muslim madrasas.
Or are they classified as military training facilities?

If sincere, Obama could take measures to end the kind of school discrimination he claims he sees in the USA.

He can start by taking his own children out of the elite and private "Sidwell Friends School" in Washington, D.C. and
enrolling them in the low grade government schools that children of the common folk (who pay the bills) have to attend.


22 posted on 06/20/2013 8:26:36 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama-Ville - Land of The Free Stuff, Home of the Enslaved)
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To: SeekAndFind

What he really means is religion causes division. He’d like to eliminate it all, a la’ Karl.


23 posted on 06/20/2013 8:31:15 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (Mr. President, can you hear a special prosecutor now?)
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To: SeekAndFind

According to cBS, it was “several hundred”.


24 posted on 06/20/2013 8:32:01 AM PDT by anoldafvet
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To: SeekAndFind

Matthew 10:34-35

New International Version (NIV)

34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—


25 posted on 06/20/2013 8:32:36 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: SeekAndFind

Why are so many Catholics Democrats. Liberals and Leftists HATE the Catholic Church and most of what it stands for,


26 posted on 06/20/2013 8:33:11 AM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: SeekAndFind
The religious schools that DO encourage division, hatred and war are Islamic schools. Sunni vs Shia.

In a report on Lebanon earlier this week a BBC News reporter wrote, "A Lebanese man called Ahmed Niami, visiting a group of Syrian refugees in the Bekaa Valley, told me that sectarian tension was infecting every part of life.

"If the conflict in Syria is going to go on longer, Lebanon is going to be in a worse state than Syria is in today. If there's a car accident on the street, people run to ask, are you Sunni or Shia… Sectarian divisions have become very, very deep, and it's going to get worse."

Maybe I should post the whole piece on its own thread.

27 posted on 06/20/2013 8:34:56 AM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: LeonardFMason

RE: Why are so many Catholics Democrats. Liberals and Leftists HATE the Catholic Church and most of what it stands for,

Being baptized as a Baby is no guarantee that you’ll follow the faith when you grow up...


28 posted on 06/20/2013 8:35:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Leftists cannot cope with diversity of opinion. To them, disagreement with the Democrat Party is a horrific heresy.

He probably got this idea from monothinker Frank Marshall.


29 posted on 06/20/2013 8:39:58 AM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: MrB

“O” REEEEALLLLLY needs to STFU, now!


30 posted on 06/20/2013 8:40:54 AM PDT by SMARTY (“The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. “Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: SeekAndFind

Regardless of the subject, obamar is a know-it-all dirtbag.

For a clown that never had a real job, he pretty much knows everything.


31 posted on 06/20/2013 8:41:07 AM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: SeekAndFind
"As someone who knows firsthand how politics can encourage division and discourage cooperation,"

The name "Saul Alinsky" springs to mind. And his acolytes in high places.

32 posted on 06/20/2013 8:42:20 AM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: Iron Munro

Ok, so basically he’s saying that Catholics stay all cloistered in their schools and don’t integrate with others.

But the reality is, the invitation is ALWAYS there for anyone to a. become a Catholic, b. practice the Faith, and c. send your child to a Catholic school. We have different beliefs ...that is HIS problem.

He basically wants Catholics to abandon their beliefs, then ...Abandon them, join the “group” and then everyone is going to get along like a rainbows and skittles type of thing?

I think we all know what would really happen ...it’s human nature ...one group is ALWAYS going to dominate ....and we know who that would be.

Obama doesn’t understand religion or Christ, or Christians WHATSOEVER. He doesn’t get it. It just doesn’t work that way . ..he is not above Christ — he and many others really seem to have a hard time with that.


33 posted on 06/20/2013 8:43:30 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: SeekAndFind

They should be called secular Catholics just like some Jews are secular Jews.


34 posted on 06/20/2013 8:44:01 AM PDT by boycott (CAL)
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To: SeekAndFind

I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Christ Jesus the Righteous Lamb of God.


35 posted on 06/20/2013 8:46:03 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: GOPJ
"Obama’s daughters attend a Quaker school..."

Ozero has zero experience with public schools...not as an elementary student, not as a high-schooler, not as a college student, and certainly not as a parent.

36 posted on 06/20/2013 8:47:20 AM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If it weren’t for the American Catholics and American Jews who voted for him, he wouldn’t be POTUS today. It is sad that those who support him do so at the expense of their own churches or homeland.


37 posted on 06/20/2013 8:49:18 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Biggirl

“Up to between 7,000-10,000 on the USA Capitol grounds yesterday. Saw for a while on CSPAN.”

Seven to ten thousand is too small to be noticed by the media. If it isn’t covered in the mainstream media, most Americans won’t even know it happened.


38 posted on 06/20/2013 8:51:11 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: MrB

Beat me by THAT much...


39 posted on 06/20/2013 8:52:05 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: Soul of the South

That is my guess. Wish it was heild on this coming Saturday. More would go.


40 posted on 06/20/2013 8:54:55 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

WHAT DID YOU EXPECT ? This address to the Irish might make it to the national scene but our media will sit on it.
The Democrat party after taking complete control even since losing the House had the word and any reference to GOD was removed at their 2012 national convention. A fact that went un-noticed and un-touched by the RINOS and GOPES (GOP elite snobs) who are running todays Republican party.

Even after reconsideration the decision was derided by the majority because it was re-installed over a majority voice vote supporting the removal.

If this were a political party in a parlimentary system it would be hyphenated and would (and should despite the difference) be refered to as the Demo-Com party. But the RINOS and GOPES can’t even call them “socialist”.

Any Catholic or Christian claiming to belong to this party is a hyprocrite and should be confronted with disgust and distain and isloated like the lepers they are.


41 posted on 06/20/2013 8:56:58 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: SeekAndFind

No, religious schools (at least Christian religious schools) teach love for God and love for all of His created creatures.

You’re confusing Christian religious schools with your Muslim religious schools...


42 posted on 06/20/2013 8:58:28 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: SeekAndFind

Expect no less from a muzzie. It is TIME. We need leaders...


43 posted on 06/20/2013 9:04:13 AM PDT by Quickgun (I got here kicking,screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I can go out that way if I have to)
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To: LibsRJerks
Ok, so basically he’s saying that Catholics stay all cloistered in their schools and don’t integrate with others.

Obama's main job is to travel around reading rabble-rousing speeches written by his racist speechwriters who display very little knowledge about their subject matter.
They load his speeches with half-truths, manufactured statistics, imaginary stereotypes, dog-whistles and racist dribble, calculated to keep the fires of resentment and hatred stoked and burning.

As the old adage goes: "It's not that Obama doesn't know anything, It's that everything he knows is wrong."

The irony is that in America, Catholic schools have increasingly accepted non-Catholic, minority and immigrant students, usually with reduced tuition or no tuition at all.

Today, the local Catholic school probably has almost as many blacks and non-catholic students as Caucasian catholics.


44 posted on 06/20/2013 9:06:17 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama-Ville - Land of The Free Stuff, Home of the Enslaved)
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To: SeekAndFind

Incredible. The audacity of Dopey.


45 posted on 06/20/2013 9:12:09 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --)
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To: SeekAndFind

do ivy league prep schools also do the same Mr fairy pants as I seem to recall you stopped vouchers, you send your kids to a nice expensive school and you certainly did not go with out either based on your politics and being not all white.


46 posted on 06/20/2013 9:13:50 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: SeekAndFind

Madrassas too?


47 posted on 06/20/2013 9:16:16 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (If youÂ’re happy and you know it clank your chains!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Amazing how one person can be wrong on every single issue.


48 posted on 06/20/2013 9:17:21 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MrB
Mr. Obama - does this reasoning apply to madrassas as well?

Presumably not.

According to the liberal mindset, Christianity is inherently divisive; whereas Islam is the religion of peace...

49 posted on 06/20/2013 9:30:35 AM PDT by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: faithhopecharity
FROM THE MOST RECENT ARMY SLIDE PRESENTATION:



50 posted on 06/20/2013 9:34:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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