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Rubio: Immigration bill guarantees legalization
The Washington Times ^ | June 7, 2013 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 06/07/2013 3:33:14 PM PDT by jazusamo

Sen. Marco Rubio said Friday that illegal immigrants will get legal status no matter what happens with border security, but said the Senate will have to stiffen enforcement in order to win the 60 votes needed to pass his bill through his chamber.

“Nobody is talking here about preventing legalization. Legalization will take place,” Mr. Rubio told Univision in an interview scheduled to air Sunday.

“First comes legalization, then comes this border security measure and then comes the permanent residency process. What we are talking about here is the permanent residency system,” the Florida Republican said, according to the English translation of the interview.

“Regarding legalization, a vast majority of my colleagues have already accepted that: that it must take place and that it must start at the same time we start with what has to do with security. That is not conditional. Legalization is not conditional.”

As one of the eight authors of the immigration bill, Mr. Rubio is fighting to keep it on track, arguing that it does not have the support to clear a filibuster in the Senate right now. But he said it could earn that support if his colleagues will do more to specify where security will be enhanced.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; gangof8; gangofeight; immigration; immigrationreform; marcorubio; randsconcerntrolls; rubio; s744; sellout; traitor; waronterror
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So the illegals will be legalized no matter what else does or does not happen.

KILL THE BILL!

1 posted on 06/07/2013 3:33:14 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Attention traitor Rubio..........POUND SAND.


2 posted on 06/07/2013 3:35:29 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: jazusamo
... said the Senate will have to stiffen enforcement...

Marco, Marco, they don't enforce CURRENT borders, why would a new bill change that?

They only enforce the parts that result in more Democrat (legal or illegal, makes no difference) voters.

You should propose that we ADOPT MEXICO'S IMMIGRATION LAWS.

Nothing could be fairer to the illegal Mexicans than that.

3 posted on 06/07/2013 3:47:25 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Forget it, Jake. It's Eric Holder's people.")
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To: jazusamo

I don’t put any faith in the word of Rubio, McC, McPain, Graham, the Bushes, Dole, etc.


4 posted on 06/07/2013 3:54:15 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: jazusamo
Exactly. And yes, Rubio can go pound sand.

Not interested in handing the country to the Communists for the next 200 years.

5 posted on 06/07/2013 4:01:22 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Enforce current borders? They’re suing the state of Arizona for enforcing laws. Disgusting.


6 posted on 06/07/2013 4:01:59 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: jazusamo

Shut the Hell up, Marco, you jerk.


7 posted on 06/07/2013 4:15:39 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: rockabyebaby

I hope they primary that POS RINO so he never gets another chance to screw up Amerika.


8 posted on 06/07/2013 4:49:24 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: jazusamo
It appears that Rubio overlooked this vital warning.


9 posted on 06/07/2013 4:50:19 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama-Ville - Land of The Freebies, Home of the Enslaved)
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To: jazusamo

Rubio is flipping the bird at conservatives. In Spanish. What an asshat.


10 posted on 06/07/2013 4:52:42 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: jazusamo
Rubio: Immigration bill guarantees legalization

Something Rubio supports, BTW!

11 posted on 06/07/2013 4:58:00 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

Yep, and he’s no conservative.


12 posted on 06/07/2013 5:01:27 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: jazusamo

Rubio=POS


13 posted on 06/07/2013 7:10:53 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: jazusamo

Kill the bill and deport every single last illegal under existing law. Then we can talk about immigration reform.


14 posted on 06/07/2013 7:29:38 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: jazusamo

Why is everyone so upset? I thought conservatives agreed last November that lesser evils like this by psuedocons were OK as long as it was a guy with an R doing it.

Wouldn’t want to be evil ‘purists’ would we?


15 posted on 06/07/2013 7:32:31 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: jazusamo

Et tu Rubio.


16 posted on 06/07/2013 7:48:11 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: jazusamo
First comes legalization, then comes this border security measure

Oh HELL no sir!

That is not conditional. Legalization is not conditional.

You can BET that it is conditional.

The conditions are it will NOT pass and you will NOT get re-elected!

Those are the conditions.

.

17 posted on 06/07/2013 8:44:19 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI
The conditions are it will NOT pass and you will NOT get re-elected!

Amen & Amen, they both work for me!

18 posted on 06/07/2013 8:50:37 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: Stillwaters

ping


19 posted on 06/07/2013 8:54:02 PM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: jazusamo

“Sen. Marco Rubio said Friday that illegal immigrants will get legal status no matter what happens with border security, but said the Senate will have to stiffen enforcement in order to win the 60 votes needed to pass his bill through his chamber. “

Maybe if Marco had a pair he would be courageous enough to advocate the D Word:

Deportation

That happens to be the law. It’s what the cowards we elect to high office are supposed to do with the foreign nationals who ignore our immigration laws, no matter how long they get away with it.

Eisenhower deported a million illegals during his Presidency. But unlike the slick politicians of today Ike was a patriot.

Of course the real problem is that Marco wants to play ethnic politics.

And he sees a chance that he could become President if he floods the United States with his own ethnic group and renders the historic American people obsolete.

FUMR!


20 posted on 06/07/2013 9:05:38 PM PDT by Pelham (Deport illegal aliens? Hell yes!)
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To: Norm Lenhart
"I thought conservatives Republicans agreed last November that lesser evils like this by pseudocons were OK as long as it was a guy with an R doing it."

Fixed it

21 posted on 06/07/2013 9:08:37 PM PDT by Pelham (Deport illegal aliens? Hell yes!)
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To: jazusamo
KILL THE BILL!

I think the lying, backstabbing weasel just did. These comments are going to go viral.

22 posted on 06/07/2013 9:08:50 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Pelham

I couldn’t agree more!!


23 posted on 06/07/2013 9:10:22 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: Windflier

Lets hope so.


24 posted on 06/07/2013 9:11:16 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: Pelham

I used to think that. Not anymore. The PDS wars and all the Bhoner excusing/Rubio/Romney supporters here (to this very day) on FR means that either conservatism has been redefined or FR is a GOP stronghold.

In the last week alone I have gone at it with several ‘lesser evil’ types rabidly defending the concept. So apparently conservatism has changed for a number of folks compared to what it was even 4 years ago..


25 posted on 06/07/2013 9:25:37 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: jazusamo
Once they have gained "legalization" the end is here. One lawsuit claiming discrimination is all it will take and they will be voting in the next election working hard to have a totally RAT controlled Fed Gov and soon a RAT SCOTUS, RAT controlled Appeals courts up and down the line, as well as RAT controlled District courts.
Goodbye GOP - you will never win another election up against those odds. Remember the RAT party is the party of Santa Claus, and the GOP is the party of hard work.
26 posted on 06/07/2013 9:34:44 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Norm Lenhart

“...means that either conservatism has been redefined...”

Eric Hoffer, the Longshoreman Philosopher, once described the problem:

“Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.”

Some of us have been around long enough to know what conservatism was when it still was a movement.

Keep up the good fight, Norm.


27 posted on 06/07/2013 9:36:16 PM PDT by Pelham (Deport illegal aliens? Hell yes!)
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To: Pelham

m want to. God knows I want to. I don’t think it’s wrong to believe in something and stand fully behind it...though that gets me and others derided as ‘purists’ (like that’s wrong?!?!?) But it sure would help conservatism if self proclaimed conservatives took their heads out of their arses and stopped capitulating and resorting to leftism while declaring it the conservative thing to do.


28 posted on 06/07/2013 9:41:52 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: jazusamo

Even if this crap passes the Senate, I highly doubt this will pass the House. How many House members are willing to risk their political careers by supporting this mess?

And there is no way Rubio will ever become President. The base will simply not support him. Period.


29 posted on 06/07/2013 10:05:14 PM PDT by eekitsagreek (Tip like a Greek during tough economic times: 3% in loose change!)
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To: jazusamo

And these illegals have committed so many identity fraud felonies that they say we couldn’t even reasonably expect them to remember them all!

Giving these unconvicted felons legal status is a massive, country-destroying amnesty!


30 posted on 06/08/2013 6:55:20 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: jazusamo

I have no problem with granting illegals legal status...but.....any illegal immigrant must never have a path to USA citizenship open to them, NEVER!!! Yes, they can have permanent legal status as guest workers, pay taxes and gain employment, but are not granted any government or public benefits whatsoever!!! Children of illegals are a different story. They should be allowed a path to USA citizenship, but...only after the reach 21 years old!!! Then they must wait another ten years to file for citizenship. Reason, maturity, common sense and political nuetrality!!! Any Senator or House Representative that does include this in the final legisation should be voted out of office!!! Solid, enforced border security is number one!!! Rubio & Nelson (FL) I hope you read this, or one of you folks does!!!


31 posted on 06/08/2013 6:57:06 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX ( My only objective is to defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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32 posted on 06/08/2013 7:21:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: jazusamo

Regardless of what happens, this statement might scare some people back to their home country.


33 posted on 06/08/2013 7:25:38 AM PDT by struggle
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To: Iron Munro

I would change the metaphor from “Shooting himself in the foot” to “Showing his true colors.”


34 posted on 06/08/2013 7:53:18 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (The Buck Stops Over There.)
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To: jazusamo; sickoflibs
>> >> “Nobody is talking here about preventing legalization. Legalization will take place,” Mr. Rubio told Univision in an interview scheduled to air Sunday. <<<



Shhh! Marco, shut up! I've got a bunch of my dumbass supporters convinced that my support of 'immigration reform' doesn't involve amnesty!

35 posted on 06/09/2013 4:19:32 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy; jazusamo; Beowulf9; Liz; cripplecreek; Tennessee Nana; TADSLOS; ...

Rubio (above) says that legalization will take place in a bill to Obama’s desk no matter what, so he has to support it to make it better,
but he also says it doesn’t have 60 in the Senate until HE is convinced the border is secure. So which is it Rubio?


36 posted on 06/09/2013 8:03:59 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

Weasel words. The language of choice in DC.


37 posted on 06/09/2013 8:08:35 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: BillyBoy

It looks like Rubio and Rand are playing similar games, ‘I am for it but not yet....but maybe if it ..’


38 posted on 06/09/2013 8:17:31 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: jazusamo
“First comes legalization, then comes this border security measure.. "

Fail.

39 posted on 06/09/2013 8:21:40 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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RE :”Weasel words. The language of choice in DC.”

I am convinced that they all the believe the Dems are correct when they say that the GOP cannot (no chance to) win a POTUS election unless they convince Hispanics that they are for amnesty.

Off year elections like 2010 and 2014 yes, but not the POTUS years 2008, 2012, 2016.

That is why we see Rubio, Rand and Ryan all talking amnesty.

But of course we know that supporting amnesty is no sure path to the WH, exhibit A McCain.

40 posted on 06/09/2013 8:26:00 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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I am convinced that they all the believe the Dems are correct when they say that the GOP cannot (no chance to) win a POTUS election unless they convince Hispanics that they are for amnesty.

Meanwhile, I've seen two polls of LEGAL Hispanics that show them against amnesty by roughly 2-to-1 (60-32, e.g.).

41 posted on 06/09/2013 8:46:29 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE --)
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But of course we know that supporting amnesty is no sure path to the WH, exhibit A McCain.

Indeed, McCain was and is a full-blown amnesty zealot.

In fact, support for amnesty, at best, might reduce the GOP candidate's losing margin of Hispanics, but even that is far from clear. I think it is true that Dem POTUS candidates benefit from amnesty promises.

GOP share of Hispanic vote in POTUS elections since 1980 SOURCE:

1980: 38 percent
1984: 37 percent
1988: 30 percent (after the 1986 amnesty!)
1992: 29 percent
1996: 23 percent
2000: 36 percent
2004 (GWB's second term, in which he pushed hard for amnesty): The "official" number is 43 percent, but almost all the polls were under 40%.
2008: 32 percent
2012: 28 percent

42 posted on 06/10/2013 2:28:22 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

The sad thing is, that’s the only appeal we make to Hispanics, amnesty. Bush, McCain, Rubio..., these guys act as if they just fell of the turnip truck themselves.

Appeal to Hispanics on opportunity. Touch on family values, good schools, cutting crime, lowering taxes, the provision of better jobs..., essentially the same things you appeal to everyone else for.

You can’t outdo a Leftist. You can kid yourself that you can find more goodies to give to a group, but if a person wants a politician who is going to gift them something, they’ll go to the Democrats. They aren’t stupid.

We’re pretenders when it comes to gifting. The Democrats are the real thing. So when we let people in who have nothing, who are they going to vote for? Us or them?

Look at those figures for Reagan. He granted amnesty and lost 10% of the Hispanic vote. That sad fact tells today’s politicians nothing.


43 posted on 06/10/2013 4:20:12 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama lied, four men died, and he went to hide...)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; BillyBoy; Beowulf9
RE :”Indeed, McCain was and is a full-blown amnesty zealot.
In fact, support for amnesty, at best, might reduce the GOP candidate’s losing margin of Hispanics, but even that is far from clear. I think it is true that Dem POTUS candidates benefit from amnesty promises”

I think if Obama signs an amnesty bill he will get all the compassionate credit for it and it will be assumed that Republicans ONLY went along to get more workers for their contributers the businesses (CofC).

There is much truth to that, and it fits with the 2012 Romney theme that the richer you are the more of a job creater you are and so the more important you are.

Plus Hispanics disagree with Republicans on plenty, if they want to talk about votes they need to talk about that first before giving more the vote.

44 posted on 06/10/2013 4:46:39 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: okie01; sickoflibs; TADSLOS; BillyBoy; Beowulf9; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; Liz; kabar

” Meanwhile, I’ve seen two polls of LEGAL Hispanics that show them against amnesty by roughly 2-to-1 (60-32, e.g.). “

Thus, you prove the BIG LIE!


45 posted on 06/10/2013 10:30:30 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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” I am convinced that they all the believe the Dems are correct when they say that the GOP cannot (no chance to) win a POTUS election unless they convince Hispanics that they are for amnesty.”

Yeah, Democrats are just showing how to win, because they really care.......


46 posted on 06/10/2013 10:32:29 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: jazusamo

Can anyone explain why, under what CONCEIVABLE argument, it would be in our interest to provide these illegals with ANYTHING?

I seriously don’t get it.


47 posted on 06/10/2013 10:32:36 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Yeah, Democrats are just showing how to win, because they really care.......

Hey, what are bipartisan buddies for? LOL.

48 posted on 06/10/2013 10:47:16 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: jazusamo
Why do we need to do anything with these people? If we can not deport them because it is too large of a task (yet, compiling information on law abiding citizens by the millions is do-able)-then why do anything? It's been ten years since I have been concerned about this issue. The PTB lead me to believe in ten years the number of illegals has stayed static. We are still here, chugging along--surviving with 12 (?) million illegals as illegals. At least, they (in theory) are not voting. There is absolutely noting to gain by legalizing these people.

We should roll out a really bad immigration bill every five years, vote it down and move on. Not my personal choice to fix the problem but the best option that's do-able in the current political environment.

49 posted on 06/10/2013 10:50:09 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: Jim Noble
Can anyone explain why, under what CONCEIVABLE argument, it would be in our interest to provide these illegals with ANYTHING?

It's not in our interest, but the courts ruled we have to provide schools, for example.

50 posted on 06/10/2013 12:24:40 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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