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“I will say that some 15 year old girls are probably as mature as an 18 year old guy.”

Your problem here is there is NO way of proving things one way or another. Of course every exploiter is going to claim that the exploited wanted it.

You can make the exploited want it. By exploiting them.

DO, there is a difference between a minor and an adult. If we are going to give minors adult rights then we have to expect them to handle adult responsibilities. We can’t have a jury spend months with every tryst to determine the nature of a relationship. It can’t be don.

As for the old days with young kids getting married, it can still be done with parental permission. If the kids are orphaned or abandoned or whatever well to me that is the equivalent of an emancipated minor. We already have laws to cover these things.

ALL attempts to change these laws are attempts by HOMOS to molest boys. Do not be fooled.

I will say that some 15 year old girls are probably as mature as an 18 year old guy.

Your problem here is there is NO way of proving things one way or another. Of course every exploiter is going to claim that the exploited wanted it. You can make the exploited want it, by exploiting them.

I'm not immune to your arguement here. You're right. At least to a degree you're right. I'm certainly not trying to bolster the 'she wanted it' defense. That defense offends me. Of course if the two do develop a relationship and then have consentual sex, that's generaly how relationships start and develop for everyone. It's not truly exploitive if the two people know each other and over time grow in that relationship, and particularly in a school setting.

You'll have to give me that. I'll have to give you the older person, say twenty and fifteen as a given exploitation. To consider an eighteen year old exploitive of a fifteen year old in a progressing relationship, you'd have to say any man is exploiting a woman if he entices her into a relationship. I'm not conceding that. I don't think you would either.

Let's say a seventeen year old kid meets a fifteen year old kid. They talk, kid around, get to know each other and things progress. They start having relations while he's in his mid seventeenth year. This continues for six months, and his birthday rolls around. It passes and he's eighteen and she's still fifteen. Is he then a rapist if they continue their relationship?

Under your scenario about hard and fast rules, and juries who can't spend months figuring things out, it would seem so. I'm not buying that for a second.

DO, there is a difference between a minor and an adult. If we are going to give minors adult rights then we have to expect them to handle adult responsibilities. We can’t have a jury spend months with every tryst to determine the nature of a relationship. It can’t be done.

I agree to an extent, but then reason has to be involved here too. We can't just toss some guy because he developed a relationship with a girl a few years younger than himself.

I don't think the NAMBLA defense would work with you when it comes to exploiting children much younger than the adult. It wouldn't for me.

As for the old days with young kids getting married, it can still be done with parental permission. If the kids are orphaned or abandoned or whatever well to me that is the equivalent of an emancipated minor. We already have laws to cover these things.\

Yes we do. I think there's reasons for them, as you pointed out. We're in agreement there.

ALL attempts to change these laws are attempts by HOMOS to molest boys. Do not be fooled.

I'm not being fooled for a minute when it comes to the NAMBLA agenda, believe me. On the other hand, I don't want a young man's life ruined because he met a sweet young person a few years younger than he was. I had a very sweet relationship with a girl younger than myself. I loved her dearly. We married had two beautiful children together and our relationship lasted nearly twenty years.