Dershowitz: Ted Cruz one of Harvard Law’s smartest students

Daily Caller ^ | 5/9/13 | Charles C. Johnson

[TigersEye]

You have quite an interesting posting history.

[2ndDivisionVet]

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

His mother was an American citizen. His father was Cuban. There is no Canadian citizenship involved here.

And what exactly do you mean "sweet to SOME conservatives"? You don't like what he has to say? What issues do you disagree with him on?

I ask again, who do you like?

[ObligedFriend]

Rafael Cruz and Barack Obama are not natural born citizens. This is a fact.

There’s only one way to save the Republic. Return to the 1787 Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

[NonValueAdded]

adding that the Canada-born Texan can run for president in 2016

Once upon a time that would have been a non- sequitur. But that was back when we followed the Constitution.

[Texas Fossil]

It is more complicated than that.

See this table.

http://www.grasmick.com/citizen.htm#CITIZENSHIP%20FROM

Citizenship From Citizen Parent When Born Outside The U.S.

Your Date Of Birth	Citizen Parent	Residence Required Of Your Parent	Residence Required Of You
Before 05-24-34	Both	1 parent resided in U.S.	None
	Only 1	USC parent resided in U.S. prior to your birth for one or more periods of time totaling at least 1 year	None
On/after 05-24-34 and before 01-13-41	Both	1 parent resided in U.S.	None
	Only 1	USC parent resided in U.S.	2 yrs physical U.S. presence between ages 14-28** --or-- 5 yrs U.S. residence between ages 13-21**
On/after 01-13-41 and before 12-24-52	Both	1 parent resided in U.S.	None
	Only 1	USC parent resided in U.S. 10 yrs, at least 5 after parent's age 16.	2 yrs physical U.S. presence between ages 14-28, except if born 10/10/52 or after ** --or-- 5 yrs U.S. residence between 13-21 yrs.**
On/after 12-24-52 and before 11-14-86	Both	1 parent resided in U.S.	None
	Only 1	USC parent with 10 yrs physical presence in U.S. prior to your birth, at least 5 yrs. after parent's age 14	None
On/after 11-14-86	Both	1 parent resided in U.S.	None
	Only 1	USC parent physically present in U.S. 5 yrs, at least 2 yrs. after parent's age 14	None
Children under age 18 may qualify for automatic or expedited naturalization if they have at least 1 USC parent. This can eliminate green card residency and physical presence requirements. It may eliminate the green card requirement itself. Automatic: Child has a green card. Expedited: Child has USC parent or grandparent who has been physically present in the U.S. for 5 years, 2 which were after parent's or grandparent's age 14. ** Residence of the child is no longer required. If a child lost citizenship by not meeting the residency requirement, the child can reinstate citizenship. However, children who reinstate citizenship cannot pass citizenship on to their children born after citizenship was lost. *Data obtained from C. Gordon and S. Mailman, Immigration Law and Practice [Appendix A, A.1 (a)] and U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual, Vol.8, Exhibit 214.1, 1967, and updated by Joseph Grasmick, Esq.

[Texas Fossil]

And that table only applies to “US Citizenship” not “Natural Born Citizenship”.

[ObligedFriend]

A gift for you.

http://www.consource.org/document/jasper-yeates-notes-of-the-pennsylvania-ratification-convention-1787-12-5/

[TigersEye]

I don’t accept gifts from trolls.

[Maceman]

I noticed your FR join date is March 15, 2013—Mama always warned be about the Ides of March.

Hey! That's my birthday you're talking about, thank you very much!

[ObligedFriend]

The supreme power is placed in the people (Vattel. c. 2. pa. 10. 11).

[TigersEye]

Well, duh! I have argued those points far more than you have.

[bigbob]

Under the McCarran-Walter Act, he was still born a citizen, which makes Ted Cruz a natural born citizen.

Give it up.

[ObligedFriend]

Rafael Cruz was born in Canada to American descent only?

[Amendment10]

Has anybody heard Sen. Cruz mention Congress’s Section 8, Article I-limited powers, Article V or the 10th Amendment? I haven’t. And as evidenced by “in-depth” discussions on Obama guard Fx News, if you ignore these division of federal and state government power-related statutes in federal public policy discussions, then yes, you get all kinds of interesting, never-ending debates.

[Drew68]

NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. That has long been understood to mean a child of two American citizen parents born on American soil/territory.

Made-up birther bullsh*t.

[HawkHogan]

No. It’s not bunk. Not one constitutional scholar or lawyer subscribes to that definition. In fact, no one outside the birther movement believes that definition.

[Psiman]

but not a Natural Born Citizen - big difference

[DesertRhino]

The constitution mentions exactly three types of people, aliens, citizens, and natural born citizens. Aliens are those who are not citizens. It says some offices must be filled by “citizens”. That can include immigrants who became naturalized. It also says the President must be NBC.
The terms were not defined.

But despite all the breathless pronouncments, if you gained your citizenship by birth alone, you are NBC. There is no 3rd status of citizenry that is gained without naturalization, but which excludes you from the presidency.

All the talk of two parents, being whelped within the borders, the mother needing to be 18, etc etc, is all malarky.

[DesertRhino]

“The country of the father is that of the son. It was always thus.”

Uhh,, yeahh, We don’t go by the law of Loki or whatever you read on some runestone.