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1 posted on 05/02/2013 1:30:00 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda
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Do you consider nuclear actions that convert mass to energy, creating energy?


2 posted on 05/02/2013 1:31:54 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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This has always been my understanding. The concept of the ‘soul’, while not observable directly, is something thats effects are seen and then not seen upon death. Where does this energy go? Well, in my belief, to Heaven.

The fact is, everything cannot come from nothing. God indeed shaped out universe. You need only look out the window to see intelligent design in every blade of grass.


3 posted on 05/02/2013 1:33:22 PM PDT by Viennacon
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Still need proof of GOD?
Look around, check the Bible, find Jesus.


5 posted on 05/02/2013 1:35:06 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)
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Remember the second part is “it just changes state”. Matter is energy, energy is matter, you can convert one to the other but nothing gets created. And no there’s still real death, as your life energy changes state to inert matter and eventually worm food.


9 posted on 05/02/2013 1:42:04 PM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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I think that we can convert many things, and we can change many things, and we can assemble many things...but creation belongs uniquely to God.

We don't know how He did it. Perhaps he converted a vast energy supply into matter. However He did it, I believe that He did it.

12 posted on 05/02/2013 1:45:11 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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No. It is a statement of physics, not a proof of God.


14 posted on 05/02/2013 1:48:05 PM PDT by Rockingham
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The Law of the Conservation of Energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be changed from one form to another. God created the heavens and the earth ex nihilo (i.e., out of nothing). Of course everyone them naturally says “where did God come from.” Scripture has an answer for that. In Exodus 3:14 moses asks god “who shall I say sent me?” God replies I am that I am. God is the eternal creator, the “unmoved mover” of Aristotle.


17 posted on 05/02/2013 1:54:18 PM PDT by Fungi
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If you wish to quantify the infinite then yes - the first law is the essence of God. All encompassing and eternal - every that was, is or shall be is derived from the “energy” that is God. All matter is energy on loan that must eventually return to whence it came. So yes, Virginia, there is a God - and what a great god He is.


18 posted on 05/02/2013 1:54:35 PM PDT by FormerRep
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22 posted on 05/02/2013 2:09:23 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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“Energy cannot be created nor destroyed”.

I’ll accept that as a first principle (although as written it doesn’t support the existence of a God who created everything.)

Based on that first principle, you ask “If this is so, then wouldn’t it mean that energy is infinite?” but why would it? Why would the fact that energy can’t be created or destroyed mean that energy is infinite?

Based on the assumption that energy is infinite, you ask “...wouldn’t this be proof of God?” but again, why would it? Why would energy being infinite be proof of God?

Based on the assumption that energy is infinite, you also ask “...wouldn’t it mean that there is no such thing as death or “real death”?” But this time you give a reason: “Because if this energy is infinite, then eventually it will form into you again?”

But why and who says, besides you, that because this energy is infinite that it would eventually form into you again.

I’d say that if the energy is infinite, there are infinite possibilities for the something into which it will eventually form and there is no reason that something would necessarily or even likely be “you” or anything it had formed into before.


23 posted on 05/02/2013 2:10:36 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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Oft times the unknown is unknown because it is unknowable.

How many angels can stand on the head of a pin?


24 posted on 05/02/2013 2:14:35 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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The physical sciences are incredible at defining the physical world, but they never touch consciousness, with the exception of quantum mechanics, which requires a conscious observer for certain phenomena to occur.

God is a conscious being. You aren't going to find Him in the physical sciences.

25 posted on 05/02/2013 2:16:23 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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Which one? I see references to thousands of gods.

In short, no. It is impossible to prove or disprove god. You either believe or you don't. Belief is like a glorified opinion. No way to prove your opinion right or wrong until the truth manifests itself.

26 posted on 05/02/2013 2:18:32 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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“If this is so, then wouldn’t it mean that energy is infinite?”

No, the energy is not infinite, it just can’t *poof* vanish. It can change into matter, and back into energy, but there is a finite amount of it.

“And 2nd, wouldn’t it mean that there is no such thing as death or “real death”? Because if this energy is infinite, then eventually it will form into you again?”

No, because the energy and matter in your body can transform in ways that are non-reversible, so that no natural process would ever reassemble “you” out of the remaining constituent parts in their transmuted forms. Some supernatural process could do it, but it won’t happen on its own, no matter how long you wait.


30 posted on 05/02/2013 2:26:14 PM PDT by Boogieman
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Thomas Aquinas’ held that new matter cannot be created nor can matter be destroyed, only changed. Not sure where the “energy” came from. Missed that in my BA in philosophy.


31 posted on 05/02/2013 2:26:30 PM PDT by Repulican Donkey
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Not so simple. The God described in the Bible is spirit. Time and dimensions are of Him, and external to Him, made by Him out of nothing, by which mass and energy are possible. He is Life, and able to impart spirit and life to commingle with (and separable from) matter. Start from there.
35 posted on 05/02/2013 2:30:54 PM PDT by imardmd1
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If you take a computer and turn it off or destroy it, is it still processing in some other dimension or way? If the answer is no then you idea also has the answer no. When things stop functioning that is that


36 posted on 05/02/2013 2:32:22 PM PDT by Monty22002
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37 posted on 05/02/2013 2:38:54 PM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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I would argue no. An eternal, uncaused being can be switched seamlessly for an eternal, uncaused universe. It's just kicking the can down the road another step (if a universe needs a creator why wouldn't a universe creator need a creator?). No matter which you choose to believe in, it's still all a matter of faith at this point. People believe, but nobody living knows.
39 posted on 05/02/2013 2:51:03 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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“”” “Energy cannot be created nor destroyed”. If this is so, then wouldn’t it mean that energy is infinite?”

To physicists the statement is true, but to them it neither means there is infinite energy and it might mean there is only a finite amount of energy; it only means E=M*Csquared AND also that M=E/Csquared.

At present, the understanding of physicsts is that whether the universe is infinite (a “universe” that includes an infinite “vacumn”/”space” that matter/energy-energy/matter expands into) or finite (as though there is an ultimate boundary to the universe), but either way it only contains the energy it contains, though the arrangement of energy and matter (energy “condensed” or “conserved”) is constantly changing.

What astronomers see when they say the universe is “expanding” is not that it is containing either more energy or more mass all the time, but simply that the vacumn (space) between clusters of energy/matter keeps getting larger - everything keeps moving further apart.

Since present theories suggest that the amount of energ/matter-matter/energy in the universe is most likely finite, there are different theories about about the course the “expanding” universe will take.

“The three possible types of expanding universes are called open, flat, and closed universes. If the universe were open, it would expand forever. If the universe were flat, it would also expand forever, but the expansion rate would slow to zero after an infinite amount of time. If the universe were closed, it would eventually stop expanding and recollapse on itself, possibly leading to another big bang. In all three cases, the expansion slows, and the force that causes the slowing is gravity.”

http://skyserver.sdss.org/dr1/en/astro/universe/universe.asp

As for G-d; none of it proves or disproves G-d.


40 posted on 05/02/2013 2:52:45 PM PDT by Wuli
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