Posted on 05/01/2013 8:24:35 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
Thanks Ernest.
Who knew that Vaseline had other uses?
“In fact, the U.S. had so much knowledge of these people and their activities, I am suspect they just allowed those at the marathon to be blown away...”
See, this is where you’ve lost me. The government knew at least one of these guys was a radical, that he went on some jihadist websites, and went to Russia possibly to try to hook up with terrorists. We’ve got no information that they knew of any active plot that was going on, so you’re jumping to a conclusion (that they might have allowed the bombing to happen), when there is no evidence the government knew there was going to be a bombing.
What was the government supposed to do? Arrest the guy for having politically incorrect views? Or for voicing radical opinions? Their hands are tied by the 1st Amendment there.
Could they arrest him for meeting up with foreign terrorists? Yes, but there is no evidence that he ever actually managed to meet up with any, so they couldn’t do that.
Could they deport him just because they had evidence he was a rotten egg? Maybe, but he had gotten his citizenship already, so I think that is out the window too.
So, what would you have had the government do to stop this, that was actually within their legal limits to do?
From the proud tradition of “In Before the Zot” may I be the first to institute the “IBODNtFOI”, which is “In Before Obama Declares Not the Face OF Islam”....its just as predictable, and usually about the same time frame too.
Interesting coincidence. Robel Phillipos lives in the building directly adjacent to the Mobil station where “Danny,” the carjacking victim, made his escape. Seemed like a bright kid. Served on the Cambridge Kids’ Council and was the one who, finally, confessed as to the nature of the three’s obstruction.
How about this....when we find out that a citizen is imbedded with said Muslim radicals, immediately make that information public. Kind of like a sex offender database. Plaster their face EVERYWHERE.
On top of that, before the fact, we can stop all Muslim immigration and citizenship. immediately.
But your question does denote a root problem, that we will have to address sooner or later. What do we do when a religion is, by definition, at war with unbelievers and repeatedly and deliberately attacks them? I don’t believe the founders intended the 1st amendment to mean that when a religion, such as Islam, that commands its followers to convert, kill or enslave non believers, that the religion just gets to maintain equal standing and nothing can be done about that. It was intended to eliminate the idea of a National Church, and allow people to worship as the pleased....but not to blow up other religions.
Lets imagine that immediately after the Revolution the Church of England was actively acting in the colonies to overthrow the new government, harboring rebels, killing Presbyterians, etc..and its houses of worship were used to harbor and instill anti-American fighters and beliefs, I don’t thing that Washington, Jefferson et al. would have said well, we just to to watch and try to guess right 100% of the time before they did anything, but lordy lord we must not declare the religion evil.
That is the problem we face with Islam, and the asinine way that we are trying to deal with it, with the handicap of political correctness and trying to never hurt anyone’s feelings. No matter how many times these fools say it, we are at war with Islam...or more correctly, Islam is at war with us.
Good to know!
I never claimed that the government knew they were going to bomb us. Please read more carefully.
Government is now taking hundreds of billions from the tax payers every year to support their behemoth all encompassing security departments and apparatus, supposedly to stop terrorism and protect the U.S.
No?
Question:
The Feds knew all about these people prior to the terrorism..They were warned by multiple foreign governments. They and their family members committed other crimes here. We had info #1 was traveling to foreign countries to meet with terrorist radicals, there is more...Etc etc..
And you going to sit there and suggest the feds were just simply powerless to do anything with these foreign radicals and terrorist, which they already had a whole lot of information on?
Yes or no?
Didn’t Blackjack Pershing sort out the version of these lowlifes in the Philippines by burying them under dead pigs and taking the fight out of the remaining ones? It’s long past time to get serious with these troglodytes.
” And you going to sit there and suggest the feds were just simply powerless to do anything with these foreign radicals and terrorist, which they already had a whole lot of information on?
Yes or no?”
Well, that’s what I asked you. What do you think, within the legal limits on our government, that they could have done to prevent something like this? I already gave you my analysis of how I think their hands were probably tied by the laws and lack of any information of an imminent criminal plot.
If you think there was something more they could have done, then what is it? Maybe I’m missing something here.
(if I did link right)
If pressure cookers are outlawed, only outlaws will have pressure cookers. Then how will they make KFC? Huh?
Uncertain about this guy....might have gotten caught in the crosshairs along with the other two...have my doubts to how much of this they knew or could have prevented for what they did know...but clearly getting rid of evidence is going to cost them a lot of pain they never anticiapated!
Am waiting to hear what the parents might have to say....
...”No matter how many times these fools say it, we are at war with Islam...or more correctly, Islam is at war with us”...
Oh yes indeed.....important to also remember is ISlam is not a nation as other countries...it’s purpose is to make other nations Islamic...and under Islamic Law.
Took me awhile to understand how significant that is.
We need to understand that these poor boys were offended by the Muhammad video. Can we really blame them for blowing up Americans?
What did our president say? The future does not belong to those who slander Muhammad?
FUBO!
We are now Obamas bomb fodder.
I agree 100 percent. They really don’t give a shit how many legs and arms they wave to sweep up, as long as Islam is not offended.
I hope they get max time.
0 sympathy. Introduce them to Bubba in a prison cell.
(a) Early reports indicate Menino used strongarm tactics---and govt authority---to circumvent laws to aid and abet builders of the the Boston mosque the bombers attended.
(b) Kerry used govt authority to memorialize the mosque in the US Congress.
(c) Massachusetts Gov Deval Patrick refused to divulge info WRT public assistance to the Tsarnaev's (on Obomba's orders?).
But state welfare officials were forced to b/c the info is available to lawmakers. State Rep David Linsky called on the Mass Dept of Transitional Assistance to provide the info..... issuing an ultimatum, giving them 24 hours to provide the info.
The Boston Herald published the state's response: 'My office is working to fully comply with your request,' DTA interim commissioner Stacey Monahan wrote, saying they were only providing a summary 'given the great interest in this matter.'
Chechen immigrants Tsarnaev parents were eligible as legal, non-citizen residents who claimed "asylum" status and met the eligibility criteria for DTA, DTA interim commissioner Stacey Monahan said in a letter to David Linsky, Chairman of the Mass House Post Audit and Oversight Committee.
On Thursday, multiple state agencies, at the prompting of Gov Patrick, refused to comment on the brothers' benefits.
<><> WRT Tamerlan receiving UI benefits, Labor dept spokesman Kevin Franck refused to comment....
<><> Univ of Mass-- Dartmouth spokesman Robert Connolly refused to comment on the financial aid app of 19 -year-old soph Dzhokhar. 'It is our position - and I believe the accepted position in higher education - that student records including academic records and financial records (including financial aid) cannot under federal law be released without a student’s consent.'
<><> The FCC would not discuss whether the suspected bombers had govt-paid cellphones.
<><> Cambridge housing officials would not comment on if the brothers had Section 8 rental subsidy offered by the HUD to low income households.
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UPDATE Benefits for entire family of bombing suspects likely exceeded $100k
WCRB ^ | 4/29/2013 | By Janet Wu / FR Posted by Alistair Stratford IV
BOSTON — State lawmakers have launched an investigation into whether the suspects in the Boston bombings improperly received public benefits. The House Committee on Post Audit and Oversight is reviewing hundreds of documents collected from state agencies that may have provided benefits to the suspects or their families since 2002.
Sources who have seen the 500 pages of documents sent to the House Committee on Post Audit and Oversight told News Center 5 that the entire Tsarnaev family, including (1) the two bombing suspects' parents, (2) the two suspects themselves, (3) their sisters, (4) the widow of the suspect killed, and, (5) their child -- received "every conceivable public benefit available out there."
(Excerpt) Read more at wcvb.com ...
SOURCE http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/metro/hearing-set-to-look-at-tsarnaev-family-welfare-benefits/-/11971628/19933058/-/9yagjz/-/index.html#ixzz2RtfE87js
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$100K is the tip of the iceberg----the America-hating Tsarnaev's collected bigtime----rode the US gravy train using several identites. The bomber brothers' lavish style could not have been financed merely w/ welfare checks, food stamps, housing subsidies, etc etc etc.
A look at dead bomber Tamerlan's reading list on Amazon shows he researched several books WRT forging new identities (each identity pocketing US govt freebies).
TAMERLAN'S READING LIST--PUT THIS IN YOUR BROWSER
http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/registry.html? ie=UTF8&type=wishlist&id=1PNVMAW2D4CT1
Amish.
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