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Memo to the South: Go Ahead, Secede Already!
The Daily Beast ^ | April 30, 2013 | Lee Siegel

Posted on 04/30/2013 7:00:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Let’s face it—on nearly every important issue, from gun control to immigration to gay marriage, red states are holding America back. Lee Siegel on why the South should get the hell out of the union.

Let’s not be fooled by all the bipartisan rhetoric that has been streaming out of the GOP since Romney’s self-destruction. Hundreds of thousands of petitioners in a handful of red states still want to secede? Well, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

A solid block of Southern states continues to refuse to expand Medicaid, thus squashing one of the linchpins of the president’s health-care reform. The South will likely be the last and most stubborn battleground in the fight for gay marriage. Gun control? The more the two sides seem to get cozier with each other, the faster gun-control legislation gets watered down—and more and more red states are passing laws making it legal to carry a concealed weapon. As for immigration, the red states seem to be relaxing their anti-immigrant fervor, but nothing approaching new legislation is even on the horizon.

The sad truth is that “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” can only be achieved at this point if the nation is split in half. Far from being fanciful or fanatical, the proponents of secession have a stronger grasp of political reality than just about anyone else. In fact, there are serious reasons why the North itself should take the lead in a secessionist movement.

Just think what America would look like without its mostly Southern states. (We could retain “America”: they could call themselves “Smith & Wesson” or “Coca-Cola” or something like that.) Universal health care. No guns. Strong unions. A humane minimum wage....

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Make the ‘58 Chevy the official vehicle???? Does this guy know how many car manufacturers are in the South? Is he aware that his precious, yuppie mobile the BMW has a plant in Greer, SC? Or that Porsche is building their US headquarters in Hapeville, Ga? Is he aware that the Red States have most of the natural resources and farms that fuel and feed America?

I would love it if the South seceded. That’s what that Russian economist has predicted. It’d be nice to see how fast the Northeast and West Coast would fall apart.


101 posted on 04/30/2013 9:26:45 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Comments?

No, but I did laugh. Does that count? :-)

102 posted on 04/30/2013 9:28:03 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Still Thinking

Isn’t this just a rehash of Michael Moore’s “Jesusland” drivel?


103 posted on 04/30/2013 9:33:13 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

More important, I’d like to see the red counties able to secede. I.e., the agricultural counties of CA, the farming counties of NY and PA. It is only the cities/urban areas of ‘blue states’ that are liberal and Dem. So let them survive on their own devices, their own productivity. See how long they last without the fruits of ‘flyover’ country’s labors.


104 posted on 04/30/2013 9:33:14 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: CodeToad
They could call themselves Amerika, we can call ourselves America. This nation was not founded on Marxism, so they don’t get to use the name.

Hmm....lemme take a crack at that.

How 'bout Amerigua? The libs love illegals and want everyone to speak Spanish, so might as well give it that twist.

Or how 'bout Ameriqa? Has a bit of an Arabic feel, don't ya think? Oughta make the muzzies feel more at home, I'd think.

Then there's the ever popular Amerika for the hard core Marxist utopians.

And since California lefties will probably rapidly pollute what's left of the place, why not call it AmeriCa?

105 posted on 04/30/2013 9:49:24 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I agree, we should leave.

This federation has been at war with each-other for 150 years and if Washington doesn’t even want to pretend to be a limited government than there is no way we can ever have peace short of separation.

It’s time to move out and make our own house, I’m sure we will be Great neighbors, were just not good roommates.


106 posted on 04/30/2013 9:50:07 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Zionist Conspirator
How does this "genius" interpret a government monopoly on legal weapons ownership as "no guns?"

Simple: the police would use drones and hellfire missiles -- it's a-ok so long as there are no guns.

107 posted on 04/30/2013 9:52:18 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Arrowhead1952
I have an idea. You in the NE must take Austin, most of Houston, Dallas, Ft Worth, the south Texas area and you have a deal.

Hey, hey, hey! Hands off our sacred lands of Texas!

You know that's not the way we do things here. No - first we secede, then we give all the libs a reasonable 72 hours to vacate to blues states.

Harumph!

108 posted on 04/30/2013 9:53:40 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SoldierDad
If Red States did secede I would definitely leave CA and move to the New World.

The blue states have already covertly seceded from America. What's keepin' ya?

109 posted on 04/30/2013 9:54:48 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like a plan to me!
Let the North rot in socialist mediocrity by itself. - - why continue to drag down the South?

One major upside is that most of the South’s parasites and moochers - - AKA, the Democrat party “base” - - would be attracted to the “free stuff” up North. The North would therefore gain the Democrat voters they crave and the South would get rid of them. Win-win!


110 posted on 04/30/2013 9:54:59 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: PhiloBedo

“Deranged, leftist drivel on parade for the whole world to see.”

At least he’s got the right conclusion in his head. We would be far happier and better off separate. We are after all in our hearts two different nations with very different ideas about how to live our lives and govern ourselves.

Why not simply agree to disagree?

Why should we continue to bash each-others heads in time and time again over every issue which Washington insist upon shoving down our throats?

There is of course a better option of more federalism but in 200 years the north has never been able to respect that. So why continue to kick a dead horse?


111 posted on 04/30/2013 9:56:59 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I understand Austin, but what’s wrong with DFW?

If that poster spent a few years living in Los Angeles, they'd come back and kiss the ground of DFW.

Yeah, we got our share of libs around, but we're still in the majority here. Of course, we get out-voted in the heart of Dallas County, but such is life in all mega cities. The surrounding areas are solidly red.

112 posted on 04/30/2013 9:57:58 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

“They can keep what they consider “high art”.”

The real question is why do we southerns care? Give me your productive and fruitful yearning to breath free!


113 posted on 04/30/2013 9:58:56 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
By contrast, the South leads in all the negative trends. The South has the highest infant mortality rate (because we don't abort them all). It has the most traffic deaths (we still drive cars). It leads the country in gun deaths (we still own guns). It has the greatest number of obese people (we still can afford food). It has the highest rate of diabetes (we can still afford too much food!). It has the largest number of people dying from stroke—a broad swath of the southeastern United States is known as the “stroke belt” (we like food that has actual flavor). The South has the highest rates of cognitive decline (according to their "adjusted" numbers).

From the next paragraph...

Risk of cognitive impairment was 18 percent higher in residents of the Stroke Belt than in those living in non-Belt states after adjusting for the influences of age, sex, race, and education level.

Education? Race?

Whoo boy, that is some thin ice Mr. Lee!

I thought we are all identical under the no-longer-noticed skin color, Mr. Lee.

And did you bother to offer the methodology for the study? No?

There is a good reason for that...

Research presented at medical meetings should be considered preliminary until it is published in a peer-reviewed medical journal.

Quoting un-reviewed material Mr. Lee? Tisk, tisk.

But this part is my absolute favorite from the entire shtick.

Interestingly, though the South is home to the major tobacco companies and to carcinogenic Coca-Cola, the highest incidence of many types of cancer happens to be in the North. Which just proves that the stress of living alongside the Confederacy is now seriously affecting our health.

So YOUR high cancer rates are OUR fault?

Those EEE-VILE Johnny Rebs...

Yeah... gotcha.

But putting that aside, by all means Mr. Lee, we would welcome you and others like you to put as much distance between yourselves and our home as you can possibly achieve.

You may begin packing anytime, Mr. Lee.

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114 posted on 04/30/2013 10:00:03 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m with this guy, although I’d include Alaska and the Great Plains with his little goofy plan, along with much of the Great Basin and parts of the Southwest. Yes, let them go it alone. Good luck. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.


115 posted on 04/30/2013 10:01:46 PM PDT by redpoll
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To: Windflier

“The blue states have already covertly seceded from America. What’s keepin’ ya?”

We got a number of practical problems all of which can be sumed up with one word “Lincoln”.

More northern like this liberal need to speak up and change the ideological of their countrymen towards clearly accepting our PEACEFUL separation. Otherwise y’all are just going to have to wait till we got enough guns and defenses stockpiled to enable us to blow your sorry butts off the face of the earth, should y’all try to stop us as Lincoln did.


116 posted on 04/30/2013 10:08:37 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: ConservativeStatement

LOL, I love the irony! Good one.


117 posted on 04/30/2013 10:17:58 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I'm done with the GOP. Let them wither and die. We need to start over.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The writer is an idiot (but then again he is liberal).....I am happily moving myself to the South because the liberal cess pool I live in has become intolerable


118 posted on 04/30/2013 10:18:55 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: True Grit

Actually there is one Blue State with the Mason-Dixon in it, MD. Those of us unfortunate enough to reside here want to change the state slogan from “Free State” to “Freedomless State”. It is personal opinion the Mason-Dixon is a state of mind but actually runs slightly above Fredericksburg, VA.


119 posted on 04/30/2013 10:22:17 PM PDT by AuntiRE
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To: NTHockey

Also, the South has most major military bases. They can pay us protection money;)


120 posted on 04/30/2013 10:33:01 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: okie01

Yes, Utopia, their socialist heaven would resemble Greece in no time.

The real separation should be done between cities and the rest of the state. That is where the real dividing lines are.


121 posted on 04/30/2013 10:52:19 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They could keep the name "America" and the newly-seceeded area could be named ... "Galt's Gulch". :)

Great idea!

122 posted on 04/30/2013 10:55:28 PM PDT by The Duke (We don't rent pigs, but apparently we *do* ELECT them.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
 
 
Load of misdirectional nonsense.
 
"Secession" has already occurred. The "South" does not have to do anything - the cities, counties and even entire states that no longer observe nor govern under the Constitution & the Bill of Rights have left the Union in their own way. The breakup of the United States is already in motion - has been for some time, right in front of us.
 
 

123 posted on 05/01/2013 12:33:21 AM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve been saying for ten years, this is our only hope. We’ve tried the ballot box and the jury box. It’s over.


124 posted on 05/01/2013 1:36:25 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I understand Austin, but what’s wrong with DFW? I live in Denton and to me, it’s the greatest place to live in the US.
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Agree, 2DV! I’m in Grapevine. Born and raised in Dallas in much different times in the ‘40s-’50s.

Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, Houston and the border cities in the Rio Grande Valley have turned blue. I think Fort Worth is NOT blue, but has just caved to the gay movement; based on what I see on local news. Creepy!


125 posted on 05/01/2013 1:38:55 AM PDT by octex
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To: AuntiRE

and as far north as the southern suburbs of Bloomington, Indiana.


126 posted on 05/01/2013 1:44:49 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Red States could be called America the Blue states should be called Deadbeatastan.


127 posted on 05/01/2013 2:11:33 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: AuntiRE
It is personal opinion the Mason-Dixon is a state of mind
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Welcome to you as a new poster to FR.

I've never considered Maryland to be part of the Confederacy below the Mason-Dixon line back in those days; nor the Northern portions of Virginia.

Admittedly, I'm just spouting without doing further research. ....My opinion is probably driven by the liberalism that exists in those areas.

128 posted on 05/01/2013 2:29:15 AM PDT by octex
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LOL. Throw me in that briar patch. In 6 months the libtard losers would be BEGGING for help.


129 posted on 05/01/2013 3:11:05 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Drumbo

So long as it involves a good strong border fence and a no-man’s land(mines) besides, I say let’s do it. Hell, let’s hand out a crisp new Benjamin to each carload of Yankies desperate to return to the northern paradise they created.

I couldn’t believe this crazy op-ed, thought at first it was satire. But it’s actually a great idear.


130 posted on 05/01/2013 3:36:37 AM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: Tax-chick

We agree about so much, except that one thing....


131 posted on 05/01/2013 3:54:38 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: okie01

Not a long one.


132 posted on 05/01/2013 3:56:16 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: central_va

Life is like that. And good morning. Put on a coat and enjoy the Global Warming ...


133 posted on 05/01/2013 3:56:17 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Sarah is right.)
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To: Travis McGee

I find it so amusing when people from blue states talk about seceding.


134 posted on 05/01/2013 4:00:01 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Mr Rogers
I told her I’d load up the pickup truck,

The Beverly Hillbillys in reverse? I would be coming too, from the other direction.

135 posted on 05/01/2013 4:00:29 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Far from being fanciful or fanatical, the proponents of secession have a stronger grasp of political reality than just about anyone else.

I agree with that.

136 posted on 05/01/2013 4:01:41 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Shadowstrike; Travis McGee

The problem Red has in Red vs Blue hostilities is armor. Red is going to lack armored vehicles for a while as they are mostly all made in Ohio. On the other hand Red will be on par in aviation assets from the get go. Navy? Tilt toward Red if they can keep Newport News...


137 posted on 05/01/2013 4:08:54 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The south will not secede...... The better course is to purge.

The Neo Europa existing from New York, north and east will be thrown out of the Union. The non Americans will be purged from America.

These people are simply not required and are actually harmful


138 posted on 05/01/2013 4:12:32 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: central_va

What are they going to put in their armor to make them go? If CW2 happened, the grid would go down as just one side effect, for a number of reasons. No grid, no fuel distribution, panic in the streets, and the fedgov elite will be hunkered down in continuity of govt bunkers trying to figure out what to do. But all their plans and worries won’t get the electricity or the fuel moving again. So any CW2 would also be a fight for survival to find food, mostly fought at the zip code level with rifles. In that realm, the South would be supreme.


139 posted on 05/01/2013 4:25:36 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

The 8th bombed Germany for 3 years and never completely destroyed their electrical grid or their liquid fuel infrastructure. The 8th AF did a hell of a job reducing cities to rubble though.


140 posted on 05/01/2013 4:31:54 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

We’ll see what happens, once Pandora is loose.

A plan to ride a tiger is not the same as riding a tiger.


141 posted on 05/01/2013 4:41:06 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Windflier
No - first we secede, then we give all the libs a reasonable 72 hours to vacate to blues states.

Well, I for one am sick of the way things are done against the Constitution. I'm sure 72 hours would be a reasonable time for most libs, but you they are slow in reasoning.

142 posted on 05/01/2013 4:43:04 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: warchild9

It would take something really bad before this would even be possible. If it did—like the confiscation of all private firearms and all privately held gold—Texas would be the first to go—followed by the states closest to her. A new CSA —now the Constitutional States of America would form. With Dallas as the Capital. Other states would leave as well, Alaska would become a Republic with Russian support, Hawaii would become a Kingdom again and Independent. Next would come CW II . and that would be the end of USA as a great power. Let Russia and China have a go at running things for a while.


143 posted on 05/01/2013 4:56:41 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sure, we’d be happy too. May we take the Western States, excluding California, with us?


144 posted on 05/01/2013 5:19:09 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Actually, I think the breakup of the US is a normal part of its evolution. And the same goes for every other large country presently extant.

The time of giant nation-states is over.

The concept is hardly original to me. Jefferson even wrote about it; I haven’t been able to find the reference for this, though. I’m not an early-American specialist.


145 posted on 05/01/2013 6:00:45 AM PDT by warchild9
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To: Inyo-Mono

The latter would probably be a good rule of thumb. In reality it’d probably be the the 3 Left Coast States and the NE that’d stay in the union.


146 posted on 05/01/2013 6:29:12 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: lapsus calami

True.


147 posted on 05/01/2013 6:49:00 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sure. Love to.
Unfortunately, the last time we tried it didn’t work so well. Seems the Federales got this image of grass growing in the streets of New York and Boston did a really nasty “backsie” on us.
You get that cleared up and we’re gone.


148 posted on 05/01/2013 6:54:49 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

agree, lets those white ever so loving diversity states like MA, RI, VT, CT have all the diversity by us sending them most of the black and illegal population, let them deal with how much of the black population is fat and on welfare, let their states pay for that.
They can take their homosexuals too seeing as they love them s much.

Lets face it seeing as they ever so much want their socialist utopia then let them have it too and leave us the hell alone.

Let them have Govt, illegals, welfare blacks, crime, public schools infested with non speaking English, gangs, drugs, illegals, etc.debt, new laws, hell now 15 year old girls can take a pill to kill a baby because she was dopey enough and showed no respect for herself by having sex but you have to show ID to get Dayquil or 18 is the law for sex, 16 for smoking.

Damn right I would want it


149 posted on 05/01/2013 7:24:44 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: svcw
The liberals can all move to the north east.....and leave the rest of us alone.

Better yet, if they wish to live like socialist eurotrash, I suggest they find an appropriate nation and emigrate.

150 posted on 05/01/2013 7:36:12 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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