Skip to comments.The radicalization of Tamerlan Tsarnaev: Older 'bomber' studied Koran for days at a time and witnes
Posted on 04/23/2013 12:23:56 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
In America, he had been a cocky and charismatic heavyweight boxer who wore fancy pointy leather shoes and slick white shirts down to the gym. In Dagestan, the volatile southern Russian region where he lived for a time as a teen and returned to spend the first half of 2012, he became a quiet young man who spent his days online studying Islam, nursing a growing anger against heretics.
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He’s dead. The “cute sweetheart” ran him over. Why is this relevant?
Bottom line...he chose his path....he chose to pursue this and obtained whatever support and encouragement needed to carry out HIS plans....
And why isn’t little brother in Gitmo right now?
Because godfather Obuthead is watching out for him.
Funny how reading the koran has an uncanny ability to turn someone into a mass murderer. I wonder why that is?
Doesn’t the Koran give Muslims the order to “convert non-believers or else kill them”? Is this free speech, or marching orders to kill Americans? Hmmmm..
He was raised on Islam...He was in his teens when they came here. Daddy and mommy just moved back to the old country. Gee...how’s that for timing. The whole family smells.
Just a wild guess:
“Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(” 2:191)
Exactly! If the Koran is what ‘radicalized’ him, then it stands to reason that the evil he did he found IN the Koran.
No, no, no. If they just read the American press, they’d know both brothers were isolated loners who reacted violently because American society rejected them. It had NOTHING to do with Islam. Absolutely nothing. Not even a little. Islam is a Religion of Peace. Stop talking about Islam.
It is relevant because he literally was not radicalized in the US and this is in no way, shape or form an instance of homegrown terrorism.
I don’t understand the bizarre constant studying of the Koran. It’s, like, 14 pages long. How does one spends hours, months, days and years studying this book?
I also wonder about why that is so. In my youth, I enjoyed crazy cartoons that showed violence. (Elmer Fudd, Daffy Duck, etc.) I'm talking gore, blood and guts cartoons. Those cartoons were banned some fifty years ago because the PC folks said it would turn kids into mass murderers. Didn't happen. The koran was a tool used by Mo-ham-med to justify butchering and enslaving peoples he conquered. Pretty effective tool. It needs to be banned, more so than cartoons.
Because of the media's attempt to paint the Tsarnaevs as "typical American kids" and as "home-grown" terrorists who worked alone. This "refugee" was known by Homeland Security to be traveling back and forth from the Boston area to Dagestan, a hotbed of terrorists and potential jihadi connections to the Boston bombing.
You have to wonder how many more of his ilk are freely roaming around this nation as we speak.
Who gave him the money to go to Russia, and WHY did he go?
He was surounded by muslims in his home judging by the outfits mama wears. This didn’t happen overnight, and the Russia trip just finalized it all. Who gave him the money for such a lengthy trip.
Yup! That’s why the 8 Gangsters are trying to rush through their “immigration reform” bill. America doesn’t have enough “hardworking” terrorists.
By virtue of his rhetoric and knowing the liberal community of Boston that he grew up in, it could as easily have been his high school social studies classes or the newspapers that he read that radicalized him.
We no longer put jihadists into gitmo.
Under Obama, they are either killed by drones, tried in a U.S. court, or possibly, and I stress possibly, renditioned somewhere abroad until we decide what to do with them. This was true before these brother jihadists went on their rampage and will continue to be true going forward.
As for current gitmo detainees (put there by Bush), we are by attrition of release gradually reducing their numbers...
With an eye toward closing it, as Obama promised.
And let me add, even if we did still put foreign operating jihadists there, we don’t send American citizens on our soil, to gitmo.
And let me remind, the Obama Justice Dept. tried to sneak the gitmo detainees into a federal prison in Illinois and were rebuffed by just about everyone but Turban Durbin...
Excellent article at link. Lengthy read but very informative.
Once again we have to get the facts the MSM won’t report from the foreign press.
Yep - Elmer Fudd and the Three Stooges as well! We were all going to be poking each others’ eyes out from watching the Stooges. ‘Cept that didn’t happen neither.
That’s my understanding (not having read it myself).
Straying slightly from topic...
I was over clicking through articles on the terrorists at the DailyMail UK...Anyhow, I noticed a picture of the two brothers and the dead one, #1 had on tennis-shoes/black sports shoes. Didn’t he noticeably have on pointy-toe dress shoes in most of the images that we’ve seen?
I wonder if they made a play of changing shoes when they set down the backpacks? Sorry, just noticed that and it has puzzled me a bit.
It’s gotta be more than that. Way back when wasn’t there some toilets at Gitmo clogged by korans? Wouldn’t that have required more than 14 pages?
Yep - there’s one clue right there.
I was exaggerating. But it’s not very big. Wen I look it up it says, 114 chapters vs 1189 (or so) chapters in a bible.
Probably still big enough to clog a gitmo toilet lol.
You forgot your /S at the end of your post.
To understand it properly (to the extent this is even possible) one needs to learn classical Arabic, and then also be able to understand all the literary structures and allusions in whats basically a poem. An awful lot of the Koran reads like gibberish, and plenty of it is contradictory. I understand that its a very difficult translation job. It doesn’t help that the thing is basically unstructured, with no coherent organization by topic or temporally, like the Bible.
Its probably a bunch of inside baseball for which we no longer have the context. Maybe this stuff made sense to a resident of Mecca in the year 690 but its probably fair to say that much of the meaning of the thing to a modern reader depends on the assumptions the reader brings to it. The Bible, for the most part, is a model of clarity compared to the Koran.
The Koran is fairly short, but commentaries and expansions(based on oral traditions) on the Koran are as significant, and arguably in the matter of Islamic law and day to day customs, much more so. Much of the stuff there actually supercedes the practices demanded in the Koran. The Hadith (primary collection of oral tradition) run to dozens of volumes, a few much more significant than the rest, and govern some rather basic things like the five daily prayers - the Koran is not itself very clear on this point and can be read to require only two or three prayers.
The Stooges were fair minded, bopping each other as well as everyone they encountered. But the muzzies don't play fair. They hate women, relegating them to second-class status. Not allowed to do things the men do, and they torture, beat and deprive their women of freedom and even life.
Then there's the matter of hating infidels (non-muslim peoples), who are relegated to third-class status. If they think it's fine to beat and torture their women according to their koran, well, we rate lower than their women so it's a good bet they won't just poke us in the eyes. Islam is a gutter religion that needs to be discarded by humanity for everyone's sake.