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Rand Paul: Pathway To Citizenship Is Needed, E-Verify Is Not
HuffingtonPost.com | 03/19/2013 9:47 am EDT | Elise Foley

Posted on 03/21/2013 6:22:11 AM PDT by SoConPubbie

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) gave a full-throated endorsement on Tuesday for comprehensive immigration reform that would allow undocumented immigrants to become citizens but not expand the employment verification system, putting him at odds with members of his party.

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But Paul differs from many Republicans, and some Democrats, on employment verification. Paul singled out E-Verify, an already-existing federal effort to check employment status. It's considered necessary by many to ensure businesses aren't hiring workers they shouldn't, but it's also criticized as cumbersome for employers and too likely to give false positives that would keep citizens and legal immigrant workers from being hired.

"My plan will not, though -- and this is where I disagree with some in the bipartisan group -- impose a national ID card," he said. "It will also not have mandatory E-Verify. I don't mind if there's E-Verify, maybe related to the tax code somehow, but I don't like the idea of making every business owner a policeman."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/19/rand-paul-pathway-to-citizenship_n_2906587.html


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; everify; randpaul
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To: AuntB
I do not understand this love for illegal aliens. They should be deported. Period.

If Paul thinks he will get their votes, he will be disappointed. Look what happened to Sen. J. McCain. He called illegal aliens "God's Children" and practically went on his knees to the radical Hispanic groups, and they still voted for B. Hussein Obama.

121 posted on 03/21/2013 1:35:02 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: apocalypto; SoConPubbie

A more recent article with Paul trying to defend his ‘amnesty’... He says:

““I’ve got a news flash for those who want to call people names on amnesty: What we have now is de facto amnesty,” Paul replied. “We have 11 million people here that have been here — some of them for a decade or more. No one is telling them to go home. … So I would say if you want to work, we’ll find a place for you”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/21/rand-paul-goes-on-the-offensive-against-ann-coulter-rush-limbaugh/#ixzz2OD9ZkcRl

So according to him, they already have amnesty, but if we let them legally stay, it’s no longer amnesty...pretty convoluted thinking for not being a lawyer!

This is the part that gets me, “So I would say if you want to work, we’ll find a place for you”

15% unemployment in construction....WHERE ya gonna find a place for them Rand????


122 posted on 03/21/2013 2:18:04 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Paul sounds muddled. Why would he want the illegals in this country? This is not the position of a patriotic American. The illegals take jobs away from us and use up our resources. And amnesty is how terrorist will gain a foothold. We will be better off deporting the illegals.


123 posted on 03/21/2013 2:29:54 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: itsahoot
What if they don't want to be citizens, but just want to come here and pick up the welfare benifits?

Most federally funded welfare benefits are not available to immigrants, illegal or otherwise. This change was made in the '96 welfare reform act.

I think we should curtail the welfare, particularly federally funded, irrespective of immigration. I wouldn't use the existence of welfare to restrict immigration, particularly in light of the fact the immigrant populations are more likely to be working than native born.

124 posted on 03/22/2013 7:32:37 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Mr Rogers
Did you know we have an unemployment problem?

It is fallacious to assume our unemployment problem is caused by too many workers, or can be alleviated by reducing opportunities for those who want to work.

I'm reminded of the FDR 'brain trust' burning crops and slaughtering livestock in the Great Depression in an effort to reduce supply, drive up prices, and thereby 'save' the economy.

125 posted on 03/22/2013 7:34:49 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3

“It is fallacious to assume our unemployment problem is caused by too many workers, or can be alleviated by reducing opportunities for those who want to work.”

So...if illegals weren’t doing construction, citizens also would not?

If there are 20 jobs, and you have 25 citizens who want work, and 2 of the 20 jobs are being held by non-citizens, how does that help the 7 unemployed citizens?


126 posted on 03/22/2013 9:07:43 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: Mr Rogers
So...if illegals weren’t doing construction, citizens also would not?

Correct, they'd collect benefits, engage in the drug trade (or other black market/criminal activities), and other activities (ever offer a bum a chance to work instead of take a handout?) that they prefer to hard work like construction.

If there are 20 jobs, and you have 25 citizens who want work, and 2 of the 20 jobs are being held by non-citizens, how does that help the 7 unemployed citizens?

The number of jobs is not fixed, it is relative to the wages offered and the opportunity costs facing those available for employment. We have too high of a minimum wage and too large an entitlement system to reduce joblessness. Those legal problems create unemployment, not the number of people that exists at any one time.

127 posted on 03/22/2013 11:26:55 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3

No, we have too few jobs for the number of people wanting work. Hate to break it to you, but there are LOTS of US citizens that want work, and are not real picky. I know a number of guys in construction who are taking anything they can get to keep going. And I know at least 2 who have given up and are trying to find employment outside of construction.

The folks who have lost their jobs over the last 5 years didn’t lose them to welfare. And many are not sitting on their butts, talking on Obamaphones...


128 posted on 03/22/2013 11:36:43 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: Gunslingr3
I wouldn't use the existence of welfare to restrict immigration, particularly in light of the fact the immigrant populations are more likely to be working than native born.

I really doubt that, I taught school in Southern California for several years, I don't think you have a real grasp on reality there.

129 posted on 03/22/2013 5:46:59 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: so_real
By your conclusion ... amnesty has already been granted because they are here, successfully under the radar, and going no where. They already have amnesty.

I did not write that, but I agree with it entirely. Unfortunately, Rand has offered nothing in the way of a solution, only homilies.

130 posted on 03/22/2013 6:34:05 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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