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How many conservatives are going to "Stand with Rand" on immigration reform?
1 posted on 03/19/2013 6:58:12 AM PDT by EXCH54FE
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To: EXCH54FE

Not me.


2 posted on 03/19/2013 6:59:34 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: EXCH54FE

I remember the revolt against Bush when he proposed amnesty, we need that again


3 posted on 03/19/2013 7:00:14 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: EXCH54FE

Another episode of “As the Stomach Churns”


4 posted on 03/19/2013 7:01:09 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: EXCH54FE

I am seeing capitulation by “conservatives” on every side.


5 posted on 03/19/2013 7:01:33 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: EXCH54FE

Why is it that nobody in the GOP is talking about mass deportations? They keep saying “we can’t deport all of them.” WHY NOT? I am sure we could. Let’s start tomorrow!


6 posted on 03/19/2013 7:03:07 AM PDT by GodAndCountryFirst
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We don’t need immigration reform. We need enforcement of our existing laws.

“Reform” is just a way to appear as though solving a problem when in fact we are not.


7 posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:01 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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rand is no different that his bat*hitcrazy father.

LLS


8 posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:29 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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They’re here and they’re not going away.


10 posted on 03/19/2013 7:05:15 AM PDT by basil (basil, 2ASisters.org)
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Well, that was a short run for President.

Hey, Rand, run for Governor or something first, and then try again.

11 posted on 03/19/2013 7:05:39 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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Round them up and Send Their Asses Back!!!

Why did my Parents have to come through the Front door?

But these people get a free pass with all the Free Goodies!?

Oh Yes, that is right, because they are a voting Bloc the Republicans and Democrats can pander too.

Silly me, When we have protected Classes, Equal Treatment Under the law doesn't mean squat!!!


13 posted on 03/19/2013 7:05:48 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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I will not stand with Paul.

I never support anyone who proposes citizenship for illegals.

14 posted on 03/19/2013 7:05:57 AM PDT by skeeter
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Ungh, we are so screwed.......


16 posted on 03/19/2013 7:07:52 AM PDT by Lakeshark (!)
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To: EXCH54FE

It just goes to show you that NOBODY in Versailles on the Potomac is to be trusted or believed.

I still have one question that no POS in Versailles on the Potomac is able to answer, namely: “What laws do I get to break?” When and if I ever get an answer, we can start talking.


21 posted on 03/19/2013 7:10:15 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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Congress would have to agree first that progress was being made on border security.

Not actual progress, mind, you. Just the appearance thereof.

BO has actually made a lot of progress in reducing the number of illegal aliens who sneak into this country.

By turning America into a third world sh*thole, he's reduced the difference in standard of living between America and Mexico and, with it, the incentive to leave one third world sh*thole just to go to another.

Instead of this "path to citizenship" crap, how about a green card program which grants working visas to people who actually work, pay taxes and learn English in exchange for deportation of criminals, wards of the state and those who refuse to do so?

The problem would be a lot easier to solve if it wasn't the all or nothing proposition it was presented as. By separating the desirable and undesirable illegals, there would be a lot lower number of those in the middle to argue about.

23 posted on 03/19/2013 7:11:06 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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Here’s an idea that may likely appeal to conservatives, but will unnerve liberals, because it is shades of “Starship Troopers”. If you get the reference, it is that “Military Service offers (if not “guarantees”, in this case) Citizenship.”

What does this imply? First of all, that the illegal aliens are *capable* of military service. This means no diseases like HIV or Hepatitis, VD or handicaps, and healthy and fit enough to meet physical standards. It also means no felony criminal convictions, no foreign oaths or affirmations, and nothing that would preclude them from overseas service.

And it also means 4 or more years of good military behavior before citizenship. If the military kicks them out, they fail and go back to their home country.

About the only adaptation to be made is for the military to provide them an intensive, six month long English language and American studies course, which they must also complete.

If they accomplish this service, they should be welcomed with open arms, as they are the “cream of the crop”, and show very good potential to be high quality citizens.

The flip side to this, also important, is to cull the freaks, losers, radicals, sickly, and otherwise dross. Because from the moment they are under military control, there is no going back to hiding in America. If they fail, they are escorted out of the US, without even fussing with ICE, other than to send their records to them for retention.


25 posted on 03/19/2013 7:13:06 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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Wake up! The path to citizenship must happen. If you are a true conservative you better wise up. It is the path that is important. Only a real damn fool is so blind that belives sending them back to their Country of origin is possible. Don’t be so dumb. It is this kind of thinking that got us in the last election mess.


27 posted on 03/19/2013 7:15:14 AM PDT by Logical me
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Rand Paul is committing political suicide and wants others to jump off the cliff with him.

No Thanks.

There are a lot of people who voted for him that won’t do it again.

And he won’t get any Hispanic votes out of this at all.

He’s descended into mania.


28 posted on 03/19/2013 7:17:25 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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I read Paul's entire statement, and he is basically saying that illegal immigrants are welcome to get in line for citizenship. There is no fast-track like the Democrats have proposed.

The problem is what to do in the interim. I don't think it will ever be possible to "secure the border". We couldn't do it during Prohibition, and we can't do it during the War on Some Drugs. It's too large, and more importantly: the incentives are too attractive.

The only real solution is to make illegal immigration undesirable: for the immigrant. Right now, an illegal immigrant from any Central American country can have a better life in the US, simply by being here. There is a vast array of free services available from both public and private sources: food, housing, medical care, education, etc. Compared to life at home, even the worst conditions in the US is living like a king or queen at home.

Then, there's the consequence of the 14th Amendment that was intended to guarantee citizenship for slaves brought to the US against their will. "Birth tourism" is a large draw for pregnant women. Some public hospitals in the border states host almost entirely births to undocumented immigrants.

Unless those incentives are removed, illegal immigration will always be a problem. And if there is no penalty for being in the US illegally, there's no reason for them to leave, or even stop entering.

One possible solution: illegal immigrants are welcome to apply for citizenship.... from their home country. If they are caught in the US illegally, their application is revoked and they are permanently banned from the US.

However, none of this will make a bit of difference as long as we continue to feed, educate, clothe and house them at our expense.

30 posted on 03/19/2013 7:17:55 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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We need to know the details. It is not simply, let them stay. Rubio’s conditions were very onerous, fines, back taxes, get back in line, etc. The only other condition I would add, is what Rush brought up, “they can’t vote for 25 years” once they get in—which would likely be 8-10 years down the road.


34 posted on 03/19/2013 7:22:10 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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it appears what he is proposing is a long and torturous process for the illegals.

This is so unnecessary. Why make them follow a tortuous path, when there's a nice, straight one that leads south to Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and points beyond?

35 posted on 03/19/2013 7:23:05 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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