Posted on 03/18/2013 9:52:27 PM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles
Edited on 03/19/2013 4:27:12 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
STEUBENVILLE - Jefferson County Prosecutor Jane Hanlin and her family had to leave town during the juvenile rape trial because of threats made against both her and her family.
Sunday evening, Hanlin confirmed that threats had been made, and she found them to be credible. Hanlin said there were instances of threats before, but the number of threats of a specific nature grew.
"As the trial date grew closer, we received a number of them that seemed to be more credible than others," Hanlin said.
The links and testimony are everywhere. Feel free thread them.
Do you have a comprehension problem?
That definition of "consent" is precisely what I dispute. Were that definition consistently applied, literally *every* instance of a woman having sex after drinking could be defined as "rape."
I don’t know of an equivalent word in the English language for a male slut and therein is part of the problem. Males get every possible sexual encounter they can and it only enhances their reputations.
As a parent of 3 boys and 3 girls, I’m proud to say that at the least, morality was taught to them equally.
It is not my responsibility to support your assertions.
If it's so easy, why not provide one.
There is no way that a person who is described as being “dead” can give consent. As I understand it, the legal argument used was that she hadn’t said “no” so it couldn’t be rape. The implication being that the default setting is “yes” and unless a person physically says “no” they are consenting.
If you use that rationale, then children who are considered impaired by youth (thanks for the clarification, Springfield Reformer), don’t have the ability to say “no” so the default setting would be “yes”.
Do you believe that a person who is physically unable to say “no” is automatically consenting to have every imaginable sex act done to her in public and posted online?
A rape is bad enough, even a “date rape”....but to put it on the internet is sick. The depravity spoke loud and clear. The prosecution did it’s job. I can’t imagine anything worse to a teenage girl short of death than to have ALL her friends, acquaintance and family seeing it. That’s asking to be prosecuted and put in jail and they got what they deserved. Justice was accomplished.
Or of a man having sex after drinking...
I don’t think that impaired JUDGMENT is the same thing as impaired AWARENESS. The latter is a state of consciousness.
Yours is an interesting semantic argument, and might be the crux of an interesting case in the future... but in THIS case, the issue is so incredibly and clearly within ANY definition of the term that it is a moot point here. She was unconscious. Fingering her, slapping an erect penis on her hip, standing on her hair, and having multiple boys have sex with her... all while she was non-responsive and basically comatose, all being taped and photographed... is well beyond any possible argument about consent. She gave none. They did what they wanted with the warm body, and passed it around. She was unable to consent, resist, or have any input in the equation. Even if she was the biggest slut in the state and seemed like she might like getting treated like that and having it posted online, their actions were STILL clearly rape. Their punishment was light and generous (although I still stand opposed to the lunacy of lifetime registered sex offender status, in any case).
She didn’t have a rape kit done, according to the reports I’ve seen. She was told it was too late by the time she was aware of the crimes. I don’t really understand that though, because in the Duke lacrosse case they found semen from multiple men that were still in her from a weeks’ worth of sleeping around. I also don’t understand how she would not know the crimes had happened if she woke up naked where she was finally dumped and had urine on her. If the boys didn’t use condoms then she would surely have known she had been raped. If they used condoms then it suggests premeditation on the part of the guys.
Add the music kids listen to today. It is awful. I do not call it music, however. I listen to a station on tunein internet station. It plays old 1950’s music. I love it. I was listening to it yesterday and was comparing it to the junk today. There is no better music than Perry Como, etc. it sure does bring back a lt of memories. : )
“The girl was a slut “
Did you miss the drunk and drugged part? If you got drunk around a bunch of men, would it be permissible to rape you because you were a “slut”?
I do not know much about date rape drug but my daughter is having a lot of dental work done and that is what they gave her to take an hour before her appointment. She is out of it within a few minutes. She has no memory of the appointment last week and today she was that way within a few minutes. By the time I got her to the office which is a little over 5 minutes away, I had to help her get out of the car and into the office. I had to laugh at her even though it wasn’t funny for her. So, yes, the drug does not take long to work.
And yet she was *not* "dead."
I think using the drunken hyperbole of teenage boys as "evidence," particularly when, as in this case, the statement is demonstrably wrong, is the tactic of a mob.
Further, my "default" is "innocent until proven guilty" and in no post from anyone in the "lynch'em" crowd have I seen anything but white hot hate for any comment that could be construed as exculpatory.
My position is that all parties were too inebriated to credibly support a rape charge, and I'd rather see ten guilty go free than one innocent convicted.
“You can have “protection” or you can have “equality.”
That is an excuse for uncivilized behavior.
You have no way of conclusively evaluating her moment-by-moment awareness across the entire series of events.
The prosecutor was the best friend these defendants had when she agreed to try them in juvenile court rather than as adults. Had she stuck to the original plan, they’d be facing years in jail instead of just months.
The prosecutor was the best friend these defendants had when she agreed to try them in juvenile court rather than as adults. Had she stuck to the original plan, they’d be facing years in jail instead of just months.
No, it is a choice between mutually exclusive concepts.
Alcohol and some drugs can cause Anterograde amnesia:
Anterograde amnesia can also be caused by alcohol intoxication, a phenomenon commonly known as a blackout. Studies show rapid rises in blood alcohol concentration over a short period of time severely impair or in some cases completely block the brain's ability to transfer short-term memories created during the period of intoxication to long-term memory for storage and later retrieval. Such rapid rises are caused by drinking large amounts of alcohol in short periods of time, especially on an empty stomach, as the dilution of alcohol by food slows the absorption of alcohol.
Amen! Well said...nail on head.....
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