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Steubenville rape prosecutor confirms threats to her, her family
Trib Today ^ | 03/18/2013 | staff

Posted on 03/18/2013 9:52:27 PM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles

Edited on 03/19/2013 4:27:12 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

STEUBENVILLE - Jefferson County Prosecutor Jane Hanlin and her family had to leave town during the juvenile rape trial because of threats made against both her and her family.

Sunday evening, Hanlin confirmed that threats had been made, and she found them to be credible. Hanlin said there were instances of threats before, but the number of threats of a specific nature grew.

"As the trial date grew closer, we received a number of them that seemed to be more credible than others," Hanlin said.


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To: papertyger

The links and testimony are everywhere. Feel free thread them.


101 posted on 03/19/2013 4:55:59 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Solson
Consent requires being aware and having full faculty. The girl, CLEARLY, WAS NOT IN THAT STATE.

Do you have a comprehension problem?

That definition of "consent" is precisely what I dispute. Were that definition consistently applied, literally *every* instance of a woman having sex after drinking could be defined as "rape."

102 posted on 03/19/2013 5:01:53 AM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: AllAmericanGirl44

I don’t know of an equivalent word in the English language for a male slut and therein is part of the problem. Males get every possible sexual encounter they can and it only enhances their reputations.

As a parent of 3 boys and 3 girls, I’m proud to say that at the least, morality was taught to them equally.


103 posted on 03/19/2013 5:02:30 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Solson
The links and testimony are everywhere. Feel free thread them.

It is not my responsibility to support your assertions.

If it's so easy, why not provide one.

104 posted on 03/19/2013 5:05:27 AM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: papertyger; Springfield Reformer

There is no way that a person who is described as being “dead” can give consent. As I understand it, the legal argument used was that she hadn’t said “no” so it couldn’t be rape. The implication being that the default setting is “yes” and unless a person physically says “no” they are consenting.

If you use that rationale, then children who are considered impaired by youth (thanks for the clarification, Springfield Reformer), don’t have the ability to say “no” so the default setting would be “yes”.

Do you believe that a person who is physically unable to say “no” is automatically consenting to have every imaginable sex act done to her in public and posted online?


105 posted on 03/19/2013 5:11:12 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Scotswife

A rape is bad enough, even a “date rape”....but to put it on the internet is sick. The depravity spoke loud and clear. The prosecution did it’s job. I can’t imagine anything worse to a teenage girl short of death than to have ALL her friends, acquaintance and family seeing it. That’s asking to be prosecuted and put in jail and they got what they deserved. Justice was accomplished.


106 posted on 03/19/2013 5:14:24 AM PDT by tioga
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To: papertyger

Or of a man having sex after drinking...

I don’t think that impaired JUDGMENT is the same thing as impaired AWARENESS. The latter is a state of consciousness.


107 posted on 03/19/2013 5:18:58 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: papertyger
That definition of "consent" is precisely what I dispute. Were that definition consistently applied, literally *every* instance of a woman having sex after drinking could be defined as "rape."

Yours is an interesting semantic argument, and might be the crux of an interesting case in the future... but in THIS case, the issue is so incredibly and clearly within ANY definition of the term that it is a moot point here. She was unconscious. Fingering her, slapping an erect penis on her hip, standing on her hair, and having multiple boys have sex with her... all while she was non-responsive and basically comatose, all being taped and photographed... is well beyond any possible argument about consent. She gave none. They did what they wanted with the warm body, and passed it around. She was unable to consent, resist, or have any input in the equation. Even if she was the biggest slut in the state and seemed like she might like getting treated like that and having it posted online, their actions were STILL clearly rape. Their punishment was light and generous (although I still stand opposed to the lunacy of lifetime registered sex offender status, in any case).

108 posted on 03/19/2013 5:25:48 AM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: PeevedPatriot

She didn’t have a rape kit done, according to the reports I’ve seen. She was told it was too late by the time she was aware of the crimes. I don’t really understand that though, because in the Duke lacrosse case they found semen from multiple men that were still in her from a weeks’ worth of sleeping around. I also don’t understand how she would not know the crimes had happened if she woke up naked where she was finally dumped and had urine on her. If the boys didn’t use condoms then she would surely have known she had been raped. If they used condoms then it suggests premeditation on the part of the guys.


109 posted on 03/19/2013 5:25:57 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Hildy

Add the music kids listen to today. It is awful. I do not call it music, however. I listen to a station on tunein internet station. It plays old 1950’s music. I love it. I was listening to it yesterday and was comparing it to the junk today. There is no better music than Perry Como, etc. it sure does bring back a lt of memories. : )


110 posted on 03/19/2013 5:27:34 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: babygene

“The girl was a slut “

Did you miss the drunk and drugged part? If you got drunk around a bunch of men, would it be permissible to rape you because you were a “slut”?


111 posted on 03/19/2013 5:30:18 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: butterdezillion

I do not know much about date rape drug but my daughter is having a lot of dental work done and that is what they gave her to take an hour before her appointment. She is out of it within a few minutes. She has no memory of the appointment last week and today she was that way within a few minutes. By the time I got her to the office which is a little over 5 minutes away, I had to help her get out of the car and into the office. I had to laugh at her even though it wasn’t funny for her. So, yes, the drug does not take long to work.


112 posted on 03/19/2013 5:35:06 AM PDT by MamaB
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To: butterdezillion
There is no way that a person who is described as being “dead” can give consent.

And yet she was *not* "dead."

I think using the drunken hyperbole of teenage boys as "evidence," particularly when, as in this case, the statement is demonstrably wrong, is the tactic of a mob.

Further, my "default" is "innocent until proven guilty" and in no post from anyone in the "lynch'em" crowd have I seen anything but white hot hate for any comment that could be construed as exculpatory.

My position is that all parties were too inebriated to credibly support a rape charge, and I'd rather see ten guilty go free than one innocent convicted.

113 posted on 03/19/2013 5:37:19 AM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: papertyger

“You can have “protection” or you can have “equality.”

That is an excuse for uncivilized behavior.


114 posted on 03/19/2013 5:45:16 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: butterdezillion
I don’t think that impaired JUDGMENT is the same thing as impaired AWARENESS. The latter is a state of consciousness.

You have no way of conclusively evaluating her moment-by-moment awareness across the entire series of events.

115 posted on 03/19/2013 5:45:50 AM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

The prosecutor was the best friend these defendants had when she agreed to try them in juvenile court rather than as adults. Had she stuck to the original plan, they’d be facing years in jail instead of just months.


116 posted on 03/19/2013 5:46:52 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

The prosecutor was the best friend these defendants had when she agreed to try them in juvenile court rather than as adults. Had she stuck to the original plan, they’d be facing years in jail instead of just months.


117 posted on 03/19/2013 5:47:16 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: SatinDoll
That is an excuse for uncivilized behavior.

No, it is a choice between mutually exclusive concepts.

118 posted on 03/19/2013 5:50:03 AM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: butterdezillion
The loss of memory happening so fast doesn’t make sense.

Alcohol and some drugs can cause Anterograde amnesia:

Anterograde amnesia can also be caused by alcohol intoxication, a phenomenon commonly known as a blackout. Studies show rapid rises in blood alcohol concentration over a short period of time severely impair or in some cases completely block the brain's ability to transfer short-term memories created during the period of intoxication to long-term memory for storage and later retrieval. Such rapid rises are caused by drinking large amounts of alcohol in short periods of time, especially on an empty stomach, as the dilution of alcohol by food slows the absorption of alcohol.

119 posted on 03/19/2013 5:52:11 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Hildy

Amen! Well said...nail on head.....


120 posted on 03/19/2013 5:55:46 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: Jet Jaguar

Why the sympathy for these rapists? There was none for the lacrosse players.


121 posted on 03/19/2013 5:56:53 AM PDT by Thorliveshere (Tais deau sá taghdedaul!)
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To: Hildy

True as well as demonized, discredited and made totally “uncool” morality, modesty and celibacy.


122 posted on 03/19/2013 5:58:55 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: AllAmericanGirl44

This attitude is the reason some men rape women and it’s sad to see some of our Freeper’s supporting it.


123 posted on 03/19/2013 6:02:41 AM PDT by CityCenter (No matter how good your PR is, you can't outsmart the truth.)
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To: Thorliveshere
Why the sympathy for these rapists?

I have seen no "sympathy" here.

What you call sympathy, I call "doubt."

124 posted on 03/19/2013 6:07:57 AM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: papertyger

Yes, a choice.

One chooses to be vicious when taking physical advantage of someone who is weaker or vulnerable, be it molesting a boy or girl. It’s called a “crime”.

Gay men’s excuses are that they’re spreading ‘love’. Straight men’s excuses are that she had it coming. Yeah, right!

Whoever the victim, male or femaile, vulnerable or weaker, it doesn’t matter. Rape and/or murder are violent crimes, period.


125 posted on 03/19/2013 6:17:37 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: papertyger

Ok, but a judge who has seen ALL the evidence and is tasked to adjudicate according to the law has determined these two to be guilty! Case closed.


126 posted on 03/19/2013 6:20:38 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: SatinDoll

So you wish to mandate “civility?”


127 posted on 03/19/2013 6:22:37 AM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: matginzac
Ok, but a judge who has seen ALL the evidence and is tasked to adjudicate according to the law has determined these two to be guilty! Case closed.

Judges, nor juries, are not above misguided paternalism.

128 posted on 03/19/2013 6:25:41 AM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: papertyger

So true (case in point: Roberts and Obozocare) but if that is so in this case, we have a system that deals with it accordingly. You could debate that this system is corrupt due to activist judges but it is what it is.
Got to wonder why no jury trial for these two...because they are juveniles?
Or did their lawyers know they would be dealt with more harshly by a jury?


129 posted on 03/19/2013 6:33:47 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: papertyger

The law regarding consent is clear. If she’s passed out, she doesn’t have the ability to consent by law.

That’s not a new concept. It doesn’t matter if she was trashed or not. She was guilty of being stupid. The perps were guilty of being evil.


130 posted on 03/19/2013 6:37:39 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: papertyger
Don't put words in my mouth.

Free will, and the liberties we are still allowed to enjoy, present us with opportunities to freely exhibit civility.

In Muslim-dominated cultures, women and children have “protection”, supposedly of their families. Doesn't seem to help much. “Honor” killings happen frequently and at the hands of other family members. Nevertheless, civility and kindness towards others does exist in those cultures; it is just very hard to find during periods of civil unrest and war.

Here in the U.S., we have laws about rape and murder in a justice system based on equality before the law. Those laws do not say that only the morally pure shall be treated as victims. It doesn't matter if the victims are a homeless man and alcoholic, a runaway child trying to live on the streets, or a prostitute attempting to earn a few bucks. As imperfect as the system may be, equal rights is better than no system at all!

Statutorily required civility would be unenforceable. That shouldn't prevent families from trying to rear their children to be moral individuals who respect others.

131 posted on 03/19/2013 6:56:29 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Hildy
... prime time TV tonight...show after show of the crudest sexual content you’ve ever seen. It would be considered soft porn a decade ago.. Now, it’s routine. Women are shown as sex objects, nameless, faceless bodies that hop in and out of men’s beds without any feeling or intimacy. Music videos and popular culture show women as whores, shown only as the sexual objects they represent to men and referred to in the most crudest of ways, not only by men, but by other women!

And then we are shocked, horrified to see young men doing exactly what they’ve witnessed for most their lives without shame or remorse ...

Spot on! Your post reminds me of the Senate testimony of Archbishop Charles Chaput following Columbine ...

When we answer murder with more violence in the death penalty, we put the state's seal of approval on revenge. When the most dangerous place in the country is a mother's womb and the unborn child can have his or her head crushed in an abortion, even in the process of being born, the body language of that message is that life isn't sacred and may not be worth much at all. In fact, certain kinds of killing no longer even count officially as "killing." Certain kinds of killing we enshrine as rights and protect by law. When we live this kind of contradiction, why are we surprised at the results?

132 posted on 03/19/2013 7:18:24 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: papertyger

“My position is that all parties were too inebriated to credibly support a rape charge, and I’d rather see ten guilty go free than one innocent convicted.”

Really? My understanding is that the boys weren’t even slurring their words when speaking. Just how drunk were they when they were driving her around from house to house?

The young victim was unable to give consent. There is proof by way of pictures and witnesses.

Yet you still favor the rapists rather than the victim.

Absolutely stunning.


133 posted on 03/19/2013 7:19:13 AM PDT by GSD Lover
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To: Darren McCarty
The law regarding consent is clear. If she’s passed out, she doesn’t have the ability to consent by law.

Thus far, I have seen no evidence she was uniformly comatose throughout the ordeal, nor that her prior behavior had any bearing on what transpired.

As she claims to have no memory of her involvement, or lack thereof, there seems to me to be no positive evidence to support a charge of rape due to the spotty and inferential nature of the evidence that does exist.

I do not condone destroying the lives of somewhat advantaged teenagers to satisfy the altruist mob with less than comprehensive evidence.

134 posted on 03/19/2013 7:19:20 AM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: butterdezillion

Depends on the drug, how the individual reacts to the specific drug, and what else is in her system.

I have no memory of three days while on pain medication in the hospital. None. Yet, according to family, I was aware and speaking to them.


135 posted on 03/19/2013 7:24:03 AM PDT by GSD Lover
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

I just hope the two convicted rapist boys can put their lives back together after being victimized by that vicious slut. <sarcasm


136 posted on 03/19/2013 7:27:14 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: SatinDoll
Don't put words in my mouth.

Your denial of inescapable conclusions is not "putting words in your mouth."

Rather, your reticence to address the logical consequents of your statements is the root of your accusation.

Statutorily required civility would be unenforceable. That shouldn't prevent families from trying to rear their children to be moral individuals who respect others.

Nor does it. Yet you clearly advocate statutory redress for violating those lessons.

137 posted on 03/19/2013 7:30:34 AM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: papertyger

Uh-huh.

I suggest you need help with your reading comprehension AND psychopathy. Have much problem relating to women?


138 posted on 03/19/2013 7:43:50 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: GSD Lover
Yet you still favor the rapists rather than the victim.

God help us if advocating for exculpatory evidence, or disputing the dominant legal theory becomes "favoring" the accused.

139 posted on 03/19/2013 7:46:25 AM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: AppyPappy; Smokin' Joe; expat1000; AllAmericanGirl44; GeronL

It would be my estimation that a 16 year old girl, unless she were brain dead to start with, would not get drunk with a bunch of guys who she did not know that were also drinking and probably smoking dope and not be aware that they wanted to get laid.

You could argue that she thought they were all gentlemen, but that defies belief. Had she never been on a date before?

I haven’t been on a date in almost 50 years, but thinking back, I seem to remember getting slapped a lot back then. And I didn’t drink and I didn’t chew and I didn’t go with the girls that do...

It was true then, and I have no reason to believe it’s not true today, that boys will be as good (or bad) as their date lets them be.

The female is, always was, and always will be the keeper of the gate, so to speak. If she abdicates that responsibility by getting drunk (knowing what could happen), then yes, she has slut written all over herself.


140 posted on 03/19/2013 7:53:20 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: SatinDoll
Have much problem relating to women?

Only their tendency to switch subjects and accuse when facing an inescapable dilemma.

141 posted on 03/19/2013 7:59:42 AM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: papertyger
She doesn't even have to be passed out. "Substantially impaired" is the Ohio standard.
142 posted on 03/19/2013 8:01:01 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: papertyger

So why don’t you share what you think is exculpatory evidence. Make your case.

Oh, wait. That’s going to be hard to do with evidence like pictures of a near comatose girl and witness statements.


143 posted on 03/19/2013 8:05:47 AM PDT by GSD Lover
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To: babygene

And you totally disregard the strong probability that she was drugged? Just how well do you handle a mixture of alcohol and drugs?

Besides, how much did she willingly drink? And after a time of drink and drugs, do you think she was in a position to refuse drinks that were being given to her?

I find it amazing that the perps receive more charity and compassion than the victim. How sad.


144 posted on 03/19/2013 8:10:57 AM PDT by GSD Lover
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To: Darren McCarty
She doesn't even have to be passed out. "Substantially impaired" is the Ohio standard.

I understand. That does not mean I agree.

But neither do I agree with the rhetorical shell game of women, who constitute the numerical majority of voters, advocating for both equality with, and protection from, men.

145 posted on 03/19/2013 8:11:15 AM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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To: GSD Lover

“And you totally disregard the strong probability that she was drugged?”

Alcohol is a drug, and it wasn’t forced on her. Was any evidence presented to indicate there was any date rape drug in her system? We would need more than a “strong probability” here...


146 posted on 03/19/2013 8:21:03 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: babygene

After a certain point, yes, alcohol was forced on her. Once she became so drunk that she couldn’t get herself a drink, she couldn’t consent to a drink, either; not just rape.

Or can you continue to give a drunk alcohol until she’s poisoned with no culpability? You can’t.


147 posted on 03/19/2013 8:25:34 AM PDT by GSD Lover
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To: papertyger

I didn’t mean here. I was speaking generally, as in the media has “sympathy” for these rapists, yet a few years back they were ready to crucify the lacrosse players without a trial.


148 posted on 03/19/2013 8:25:56 AM PDT by Thorliveshere (Tais deau sá taghdedaul!)
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To: Darren McCarty
She was guilty of being stupid

If someone slipped a rufie in your ginger ale would you like being called stupid?

149 posted on 03/19/2013 8:31:22 AM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: babygene

Any evidence of a date rape drug won’t be there after 12 hours. You obviously have no idea how prevalent those drugs are. Are you aware there was another incident with this football team?


150 posted on 03/19/2013 8:35:26 AM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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