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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 17 February 2013
Various driveby media television networks ^ | 17 February 2013 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 02/17/2013 4:36:24 AM PST by Alas Babylon!

The Talk Shows



February 17th, 2013

Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:

FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Sens. Rand Paul, R-Ky., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.

MEET THE PRESS (NBC): White House chief of staff Denis McDonough; Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.; Mark Kelly, husband of former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

FACE THE NATION (CBS): McDonough; former Gov. Haley Barbour, R-Miss.; Mayor Cory Booker of Newark, N.J.; Cardinal Donald Wuerl, the archbishop of Washington, D.C.

THIS WEEK (ABC): McDonough; Reps. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., and Joaquin Castro, D-Texas.

STATE OF THE UNION (CNN): Sens. Jack Reed, D-R.I., Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., and John Barrasso, R-Wyo.; Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich.


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To: rodguy911
How do we get Hispanics to vote for us.My suggestion is to treat everyone the same. Stop trying to divide every American in the country into specific groups and they buy each group and treat everyone the same. Offer equal opportunity through capitalism for all.Why won’t this work.

One's politics are almost inherited like one's religion. People vote for their interests and especially their pocketbook.

I agree we need to have a universal message, but lower taxes and smaller government doesn't resonate with people who aren't paying taxes and receiving a government check. Hispanics are joining blacks as part of a permanent underclass. They want more government and to increase taxes on the "rich" to pay for them.

The Democrats have used the rapidly changing demographics of this country, the product of immigration, to stampede many Republican politicians and elites to conclude that the party must “adapt or die” as Michael Barone stated on the issue of immigration. The leaders of extremist Hispanic ethnic groups trumpet their growing political power and cite the Bureau of Census projections that by 2050, one in 3 residents of this country will be Hispanic. The problem is that if the Republican Party does adapt to become more like the Democrat Party, it will die.

The Democrats created the artificial category of “Hispanics” in the 1970s as a way to create another class of victims, which they could imbue with special rights and privileges, including affirmative action and minority business set asides. The result is another minority group that votes Democrat. It doesn’t matter that, according to the Census Bureau, 53 percent of Hispanics self-identify themselves as white. The Census Bureau has even created the phony category of “non-Hispanic whites,” which are now 66 percent of the population and will be 50 percent in 2042. The reality is that “whites” will still be more than 70 percent of the population in 2042.

In 2008, if John McCain had received 60 percent [vice 55 percent] of the “white vote,” he would have won even if Barack Obama had received the entire Hispanic vote. Credible surveys indicate that the major policy concerns of Hispanics/Latinos were no different than the concerns of non-Hispanics/Latinos. The economy and jobs topped the list. There is little evidence that immigration policy was an influential factor in Hispanics’/Latinos’ choice between the two candidates once basic party predispositions are taken into account. The size of the Latino voting population should be kept in perspective alongside other subsets of the electorate. An estimated 11.8 million voters were of Latino ancestry, compared with 17 million African Americans, 19.7 million veterans, 23.6 million young people, 45 million conservatives, and 34 million born-again white Christians.

Republicans are deluded if they believe that altering their views on immigration and amnesty will win them more Hispanic votes. Ronald Reagan signed a “one-time” amnesty in 1986, but that did not change the fact that the majority of Hispanics still vote Democrat. The reality is that historically the majority of immigrants, not only Hispanics, vote Democrat. Unless the Republican Party can slow down the immigration numbers, it will be the permanent minority party or become just another wing of the Democrat Party.

The Democrats want to be known as the party of minorities. They cultivate that image. But it can be a two-edged sword given the changing demographics in this country. With our first black President and the fact that by 2019, just 7 years from now, half of the children 18 and under will be classified as minorities, it will become harder and harder to defend affirmative action and minority business set asides, especially among young, non-Hispanic white Democrats. The absurdity of these programs will become readily apparent.

The Republicans need to expose the Democrats as the real racists and bigots who provide people, including newly arrived immigrants, with special rights and privileges based on race, ethnicity, and gender. The definitions of Hispanic and Asian under Virginia law are ludicrous. They make no sense. What do Japanese, Chinese, Indians, and Filipinos have in common except being from the same geographic region of the globe? Similarly, “Hispanics” encompass all of Latin America and the Iberian Peninsula, i.e., the former colonialists. These types of classifications are reminiscent of those under apartheid in South Africa, which had four main groups with a number of sub-groups and even “honorary whites.” Republicans should take the lead in abolishing these discriminatory programs in post-racial America and use immigration as an example of the unfairness of these laws.

There are other significant demographic changes that transcend race and ethnicity. The Republican Party should focus on those changes rather than its quixotic outreach programs. By 2030 one in every 5 residents of this country will be 65 and over—twice what it is now. The vast majority of these people will be on fixed incomes with Social Security being the sole or a major portion of their retirement income. As a result, taxes will become more and more of a concern among older voters. State and local taxes will have to fund much of the education and social welfare costs for immigrants and their children as the U.S. population continues to increase. Since the federal government only funds about 13 percent of the education costs with state and local governments funding the rest through mainly property taxes, an aging population on fixed incomes will balk at increased rates of taxation. And senior citizens vote at a higher percentage than younger voters. Even immigrants grow old and will vote their pocketbook.

And then there are younger voters who must bear the brunt of the out of control federal spending that will balloon the current debt servicing costs, which consume $200 billion annually of the federal budget. With entitlement programs increasing to more than half of the federal budget, it will leave declining amounts of money for discretionary items, including defense. In 1950, there were 16 workers for every retiree, today it is 3.3, and by 2030 it will be 2 workers for every retiree.

As a result, the young will also become increasingly concerned about taxes and the costs of mass immigration that will require huge amounts of money for increased infrastructure requirements, higher energy needs, schools, hospitals, water treatment and sewage plants, etc. that will be needed for a nation approaching half a billion people and is the world’s biggest debtor nation.

The Republican message of limited government and lower taxes will then resonate with the young and old alike.

Ronald Reagan said, “A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers. I do not believe I have proposed anything that is contrary to what has been considered Republican principle. It is at the same time the very basis of conservatism. It is time to reassert that principle and raise it to full view. And if there are those who cannot subscribe to these principles, then let them go their way.”

101 posted on 02/17/2013 8:29:49 AM PST by kabar
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To: rodguy911
I don't think our side will get any traction on immigration until we have all three branches of govt. as Republicans,even then it won't be easy. If there is an immigration bill this year when its all said and done zero will simply EO whatever he does not get from Congress.

We had the WH and Congress under Bush and he pushed for amnesty against the wishes of his own party.

I think Obama wants the issue more than getting something done. He hopes immigration reform is defeated so it can be used in the 2014 midterms to defeat the Reps and gain control back over the House. Then it is clear sailing for the Dems for perhaps generations. I have no doubt that the Dems will win the WH in 2016.

102 posted on 02/17/2013 8:34:37 AM PST by kabar
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To: TomGuy

Actually, I think the drones are for whoever the guy who IDs the targets doesn’t like. Who are we giving the power of life and death? Some Pakistani pick pocket with an axe to grind?


103 posted on 02/17/2013 8:38:16 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: Fishtalk
-- So why are we to "assume" that horrible traitor Hagel will be nominated? --

You mean confirmed. There were 58 Aye votes to limit debate on his confirmation, last week. There are at least two Senators who will vote Aye the next time the opportunity comes up, McCain and Graham. That makes 60.

104 posted on 02/17/2013 8:42:25 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Happy Rain

Mark Kelly just proves that Democrats always dance on the caskets of victims to sell their agitprop; even if the victim managed to survive.


105 posted on 02/17/2013 8:49:22 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Aw jeez, RL, why you get me started?

First, why doesn’t an elected Republican, oh I don’t know, during those interview things like McCain this morning....say this?

Why don’t our elected guys get out there and work on changing perceptions?

For Watergate was one great big whole lot of nothing, a big hoo-hah orchestrated by some lame FBI bitter passed by nothing burger.

We’ve got to start changing things.

I can’t tell you the things I’VE been fooled by....some examples...

“The Ugly American”...I thought it a great book, dear Lord building huge unused roads in Burma, man I hadda join the Peace Corps. I was 14. Not a single thing in that book was true.

“Silent Spring”...goodness I thought the birds were all dying for their fragile eggs....what a racket.

I obediently had only one child so as to only reproduce myself per the liberal command of that nutjob who demanded zero population growth lest the planet be doomed.

Man I could go on and on.

Somehow, what with the Internet and contact with everyone on the planet a distinct possibility....why can’t our guys work on the TRUTH?

Maybe they are part of the political elite and don’t want us to know?

That Comcast thing, it disappears after a while.

Comcast.....bunch of former gubmint bureaucrats don’t know how to run a business if they tried.

Husband researched....told Comcast has NO idea what is going on.


106 posted on 02/17/2013 8:50:50 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Fishtalk

Thanks for framing the Pervert Menendez in the proper light.

He came up with some crap about when in Rome do as the Romans.

There is a U S law to deal with pediophiles who travel overseas to dally with children (i.e. Child Sex Tourism). Enforce it!

“Under the PROTECT Act of April 2003, it is a federal crime, prosecutable in the United States, for a U.S. citizen or permanent resident alien, to engage in illicit sexual conduct in a foreign country with a person under the age of 18, whether or not the U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident alien intended to engage in such illicit sexual conduct prior to going abroad. For purposes of the PROTECT Act, illicit sexual conduct includes any commercial sex act in a foreign country with a person under the age of 18. The law defines a commercial sex act as any sex act, on account of which anything of value is given to or received by a person under the age of 18.[44] Before congressional passage of the Protect Act of 2003, prosecutors had to prove that sex tourists went abroad with the intent of molesting children—something almost impossible to demonstrate. The Protect Act shifted the burden, making predators liable for the act itself. Penalties were doubled from 15 years in prison to 30.[7]”
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sex_tourism


107 posted on 02/17/2013 8:52:24 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: kabar

Have you checked out Mexico’s immigration laws? They don’t want non productive people. We would do well doing something similar.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/lillpop022707.htm


108 posted on 02/17/2013 8:59:22 AM PST by IM2MAD (IM2MAD=Individual Motivated 2 Make A Difference)
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To: rodguy911

I think the clown you referred to on MTP was White House chief of staff Denis McDonough. I watched this guy and wasn’t sure what to say about him. Your use of the word “Clown” to describe him really wrapped it up. I was wathching from home and I felt the need to put my hand over his wallet while he was talking; I can only imagine what he must be like in person.


109 posted on 02/17/2013 9:05:20 AM PST by Bernard (John Kerry as SOS will be the almost-perfect symbol of the Obama administration.)
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To: rodguy911

I think the clown you referred to on MTP was White House chief of staff Denis McDonough. I watched this guy and wasn’t sure what to say about him. Your use of the word “Clown” to describe him really wrapped it up. I was wathching from home and I felt the need to put my hand over my wallet while he was talking; I can only imagine what he must be like in person.


110 posted on 02/17/2013 9:05:52 AM PST by Bernard (John Kerry as SOS will be the almost-perfect symbol of the Obama administration.)
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To: kabar
Ronald Reagan said, “A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers. I do not believe I have proposed anything that is contrary to what has been considered Republican principle. It is at the same time the very basis of conservatism. It is time to reassert that principle and raise it to full view. And if there are those who cannot subscribe to these principles, then let them go their way.”

Greats stuff and thanks kabar.Wisdom is hard to beat.

Lets try conservatism every time its tried we win!!

111 posted on 02/17/2013 9:06:17 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: kabar
The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight.

A million a month...that's all we ask.

The Mexicans and other illegal aliens are a bunch of thieves, stealing the jobs that should be filled by our domestic parasites, in exchange for their "entitlements".

112 posted on 02/17/2013 9:06:18 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Happy Rain
Mark Kelly is Sarah Brady in drag�doing the �Weekend at Bernie�s�� shtick cynically dragging the vegetable spouse around in order to gain fame and personal wealth.

Oh my it ought to be against some law make me laugh so hard. Does he really think, do those silly talking heads et al...do they all really think we don't see this?

NO WAIT!

The Lo-Fo voters.

Heh.

113 posted on 02/17/2013 9:06:41 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: kabar

I sure hope you are wrong. I couldn’t fathom a Hillary administration. My take on the dems and amnesty has always been that zero will try to get what he can through Congress and than just EO the rest.


114 posted on 02/17/2013 9:09:25 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911
Stop trying to divide every American in the country into specific groups and they buy each group and treat everyone the same. Offer equal opportunity through capitalism for all.Why won’t this work.

Because many of the aforementioned voters speak Spanish, and I doubt we are addressing them.

115 posted on 02/17/2013 9:10:27 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Bernard

Great post Bernard. But don’t worry about “his” wallet. Its yours and mine they are after. That’s the entire goal. Buying votes with “our” money.


116 posted on 02/17/2013 9:12:28 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911

The most offensive thing about the MSM ridicule of Rubio was the attempt by their designated comics to appear hip and knowledgeable with a contorted exaggeration of the water sip incident. Unfunny and disgusting. They were not anywhere close to being entertaining. I cringed at the really strained attempts made to squeeze a laugh from their audience who is being stage prompted to do so. The left agenda just pushes where it can, dupes are easily found for the right bucks. Rubio handled it all just fine and maybe his bottle of water will become a prominant part of all of his speaking arrangements from now on.


117 posted on 02/17/2013 9:14:12 AM PST by mountainfolk (God Bless the United States of America and the Republic for which is stands.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Chuck the Schmuck(now looking for the sweet spot(but staring at my butt) now on CNN with Fat Candy telling everyone that sequestration won't win because its not popular. The Axelrod political wing has decided to to do a scorched earth campaign something like the world's gonna end if we slow down the rate of growth in spending,sequestration, which was the idea of ....you guessed it Axelrod/Obama!!

You have to hear it to believe it!! These commies are so slick!!

Don't look at this hand look at the other hand.The one with the dollars in it.Never ends with these guys they are so predictable.

I think they are rapidly approaching the point where fewer an fewer people will buy their nonsense.

118 posted on 02/17/2013 9:21:01 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: mountainfolk
For me the entire incident was very revealing.

It's now apparent the left/DBM are just desperate to get something/anything on Rubio. Anything will do!A hesitation to drink some water during a speech, any traction they can get to take him down a notch or two will work. I think the left is scared sh_tless of Marco,and they should be! We have a great candidate let's hope he goes all the way.

119 posted on 02/17/2013 9:26:06 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: All

Sen. John Barrasso/Wyoming now on CNN with Fat Candy. Brilliant guy!! Great answers to gotcha question by the fat one.


120 posted on 02/17/2013 9:28:42 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Girlene
Kim Stassel - Wallace asks about whether it will happen. She says very likely because obama won’t deal with entitlements. Dem’s only solution is tax hikes....Republicans aren’t interested.

Why didn't they solve this during the "Fiscal Cliff" negotiations? Obama had agreed to an adjustement in the Cost of Living increase for Social Security, and the Republicans gave away the tax increase for incomes over $450K, raised the SS payroll tax on everybody, and agreed to Billions for an unemployment "benefits" extension (again).

The Fiscal Cliff = Taxes + Sequester

They dealt with taxes, and only delayed the Sequestration cuts, and we are right back into "crisis" mode again. Boehner walked away from the negotiations, pursued this ill advised "Plan B" that he couldn't even get Republicans to support, and then everyone just gave up.

Says there is some latitude in how it’s implemented.

I don't know what these politicos mean by that. How does the Pentagon manage what is now says is a 13% across the board meat ax to its budget 1/2 way through the fiscal year, and they cannot touch military pay, and they cannot change most procurement contracts?

I'll tell you how. They slash Operations and Maintenance to the bone.

But don't worry everybody, according to Sen Rand "No Money for the Joooos in Israel" Paul, he can "live with it." That's mighty nice of him.

Says obama/administartion is making it as painful as possible.

BOTH sides are making this as painful as possible. Obama is a Marxist Communist, and the Republicans have abandoned the military and are now chanting "Burn it All Down!" so that they can be "me too!" defenders of the welfare state. Glad the GOP is now for Amnesty that will cost us Billions more.

121 posted on 02/17/2013 9:31:30 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: All
Barrasso getting to the core of sequestration!! The President has a lot of descresion! He can make it very difficult with the wrong cuts in spending if he chooses. Everyone on our side needs to be saying this!!

Its key to the core of sequestration.!!Its up to the President what gets cut!! These cuts they are squealing about are not written in stone.!!!

122 posted on 02/17/2013 9:33:19 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: All

Barrasso just broke the back of Axelrod’s little plan to make a long laundry list of cuts supposedly due to Sequestration that will make it ever so difficult on Americans. Seems the President is the one who makes it easy or difficult depending on what he cuts where, no one else.


123 posted on 02/17/2013 9:36:10 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Fishtalk
Mark Kelly is an example of all that is distasteful with DC, our Congress, etc. He is considered the "heir apparent" for his wife's seat. Mark Kelly Seen as a Possible Heir to Gabrielle Giffords' Political Career

Heir.....based on what? Because he's married to her? Because he's doing the gun grab thing? Because......does it matter?

I watched some of the ABC round table this am with George Will et al. and was struck with just how out of sync I am with any of these people - whether it's the pundits or the politicians. They are the ruling class; we are the ruled.

In talking about the Hagel nomination/confirmation, it is considered a done deal. This is about showboating to keep him waiting. Will found it pathetic that it would be held up. If obama wants him, he should have him as SofDefense.

I'm sitting there thinking - then why do they bother to have hearings? The fact is - there is NO point to these hearings except to pretend they are doing due diligence, get a few sounds bites in for their next election. It is disgusting. >

We pay them for the priviledge to be ruled.


124 posted on 02/17/2013 9:50:24 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene

Amen to this assessment.


125 posted on 02/17/2013 9:58:31 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: SkyPilot

I don’t know what to think as far as defense spending cuts, SkyPilot. Some say defense is way too bloated; that there are areas where waste can be eliminated. I guess that’s where Paul is saying it doesn’t worry him too much. The problem may be with WHO is determining where waste is and where the cuts will be.

obama et al deciding that we can not have two carriers in the Persian Gulf is pure manipulation of our military readiness in the region for politics. Why congressional leaders aren’t screaming about the fact that he is playing politics with our security is beyond me. I guess the ruling class has grown accustomed to obama’s willingness to put the US at risk to get his way and see it as the same ol’, same ol’.


126 posted on 02/17/2013 10:26:45 AM PST by Girlene
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To: rodguy911
The President has a lot of descresion!

Boy I'll say.

He's desecrated the military, the churches, the middle class, the auto industry, the energy sector, the lending industry, the housing industry...etc etc etc.

127 posted on 02/17/2013 10:29:03 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: patriotspride; PaleoBob

A surprise heretofore undisclosed member of the golf party
(according to this “report”: Tiger Woods

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/283637-obama-golfing-with-tiger-woods-report


128 posted on 02/17/2013 10:50:55 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

No question Rock but aside from that there(the administrations) little con of making a big list of all the things that Americans will pine for due to sequestration just got blown out of the water.It’s up to zero what gets cut.!


129 posted on 02/17/2013 10:53:59 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: kabar
If we have Spanish as a second official language, then the country will be Balkanized linguistically and culturally. Demography is destiny.

I know that, having lived in Canada for 20 years, and dealing with the official bilinguality. I would strongly support legislation and regulations that require everyone who moves here to have one designated 'advocate' who speaks English in any official situation for the non-English speaking person.

When you legalize their status, they add to our fiscal problems.When you legalize their status, they add to our fiscal problems.

Consider them a replacement for the lost workers in the current generation as a result of rampant abortion of native Americans.

They didn't do that [enforce immigration law] with the 1986 amnesty. Why should we believe them now? Why not just try enforcement first and only to see if we can really do it?

What is your definition of 'enforcement?' A secure border or deportation?

130 posted on 02/17/2013 10:54:26 AM PST by maica (Welcome to post-rational America.)
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To: Girlene

Have you heard Republicans scream about anything?

They have not taken O to court on his Executive Orders. Someone took them to court on the recess appointments of the NLRB members, but not on other recess appointments or EOs.

O has run roughshot over all notions of checks and balances, and the GOP stands mute.

The GOP is totally off the field and in hiding.

They alloowd that tratorous bastand Kerry to have a love fest in his conformation. There were so many unanswered qiets about his treason, but he got a total pass.

Now with Hagel we have a solitary Senator (Cruz) with guts or curiosity and he is being branded “McCarthy” by both sides of the aisle, even through Hagel is the worst nominee in history.


131 posted on 02/17/2013 11:00:36 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: Girlene

Have you heard Republicans scream about anything?

They have not taken O to court on his Executive Orders. Someone took them to court on the recess appointments of the NLRB members, but not on other recess appointments or EOs.

O has run roughshot over all notions of checks and balances, and the GOP stands mute.

The GOP is totally off the field and in hiding.

They allowed that traitorous bastand Kerry to have a love fest in his confirmation. There were so many unanswered questions about his treason, but he got a total pass.

Now with Hagel we have a solitary Senator (Cruz) with guts or curiosity, and he is being branded “McCarthy” by both sides of the aisle, even through Hagel is the worst nominee in history.


132 posted on 02/17/2013 11:02:05 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: shalom aleichem

I agree with what you wrote. I just thought something so simple like the two carrier policy would have been an easy ones for the Repubs, regardless of the politics of the thing. I was wrong. THey just seem to shrug it off. Mayb we don’t need any carriers there, if it’s so unimportant.

It was totally disheartening today to watch these inside the beltway types discuss politics while our country is being destroyed. They don’t seem to give a flying leap.


133 posted on 02/17/2013 11:23:55 AM PST by Girlene
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To: maica
I know that, having lived in Canada for 20 years, and dealing with the official bilinguality. I would strongly support legislation and regulations that require everyone who moves here to have one designated 'advocate' who speaks English in any official situation for the non-English speaking person.

Why a designated advocate? Why not legislate that English be the official language of the US and that any immigrant save the aged be proficient in English before granting permanent residency? No official business should be conducted in a language other than English.

Consider them a replacement for the lost workers in the current generation as a result of rampant abortion of native Americans.

Pure sophistry. There are over 40 million foreign born in this country. They are not units of labor but bring their own culture and values with them. And more and more they are not being assimilated. They are not the same kinds of people who are born in this country. Perhaps you are unaware of how significant immigration has been in changing the demographics of this country.

The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 36 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 90 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born.

Currently, 1.6 million legal and illegal immigrants settle in the country each year; 350,000 immigrants leave each year, resulting in a net immigration of 1.25 million. Since 1970, the U.S. population has increased from 203 million to 315 million, i.e., over 100 million. In the next 40 years, the population will increase by an additional 130 million to 445 million. Three-quarters of the increase in our population since 1970 and the projected increase will be the result of immigration. The U.S., the world’s third most populous nation, has the highest annual rate of population growth of any developed country in the world, i.e., 0.9% (2012 estimate,) principally due to immigration.

The nation’s immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached 40 million in 2010, the highest number in our history. The U.S. immigrant population has doubled since 1990, nearly tripled since 1980, and quadrupled since 1970, when it stood at 9.7 million. Of the 40 million immigrants in the country in 2010, 13.9 million arrived in 2000 or later making it the highest decade of immigration in American history, even though there was a net loss of jobs during the decade.

Growth in the immigrant population has primarily been driven by high levels of legal immigration. Roughly three-fourths of immigrants in the country are here legally. With nearly 12 million immigrants, Mexico was by far the top immigrant-sending country, accounting for 29 percent of all immigrants and 29 percent of growth in the immigrant population from 2000 to 2010. The median age of immigrants in 2010 was 41.4 compared to 35.9 for natives.

Do you buy the nonsense that we have a shortage of workers? Why did we bring in 13.9 million legal immigrants during the decade ending in 2010 while we had a net decrease in jobs during that same period? Does that make sense when we have 23 million Americans looking for full-time employment?

What is your definition of 'enforcement?' A secure border or deportation?

Enforcing the existing laws of this country including deportation. A secure border is part of enforcement as well as tracking down and deporting visa overstays who comprise 40% of the illegal aliens in this country. We need to cut off the job magnet by going after employers who hire lawbreakers. This would include making the E-verify system mandatory,

Even the proponents of amnesty say they want enforcement and deportation--after they get their amnesty. Of course, just like the amnesty of 1986, once the legalization takes place, then enforcement is forgotten.

Our current legal immigration policies that bring in 1.2 million legal immigrants a year--more than the rest of the world combined--have changed the electorate. 87% of the 1.2 million legal immigrants entering annually are minorities as defined by the U.S. Government and almost all of the illegal aliens are minorities. By 2019 half of the children 18 and under in the U.S. will be classified as minorities and by 2042, half of the residents of this country will be minorities. Generally, immigrants and minorities vote predominantly for the Democrat Party. Hence, Democrats view immigration as a never-ending source of voters that will make them the permanent majority party.

Since the 1965 Immigration Act, our pro-population growth immigration policies have fueled major demographic changes in a very short period of time. In 1970, non-Hispanic whites comprised 89 percent of the population; today they are 66 percent; and by 2042, they will be 50 percent. The Democrats, under the banner of multiculturalism and diversity, have forged a political coalition that depends on individuals coalescing around racial and ethnic identities rather than the issues. The continuing and increasing flow of minority immigrants, mostly poor and uneducated, provides a natural constituency for the Democrats, which see them as their principal source of political power.

57% of immigrant headed households with children are on at least one major welfare program.

In 2010, 23 percent of immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) lived in poverty, compared to 13.5 percent of natives and their children. Immigrants and their children accounted for one-fourth of all persons in poverty.

The children of immigrants account for one-third of all children in poverty.

In 2010, 29 percent of immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) lacked health insurance, compared to 13.8 percent of natives and their children.

New immigrants and their U.S.-born children account for two-thirds of the increase in the uninsured since 2000.

There are 10.4 million students from immigrant households in public schools, accounting for one in five public school students. Of these students, 78 percent speak a language other than English at home.

Overall, one in four public school students now speaks a language other than English at home.

Of adult immigrants (25 to 65), 28 percent have not completed high school, compared to 7 percent of natives.

Many immigrants make significant progress the longer they live in the country. However, on average even immigrants who have lived in the United States for 20 years have not come close to closing the gap with natives.

The poverty rate of adult immigrants who have lived in the United States for 20 years is 50 percent higher than that of adult natives.

New immigration (legal and illegal) plus births to immigrants added 22.5 million residents to the country over the last decade, equal to 80 percent of total U.S. population growth.

Recent immigration has had only a tiny impact on the nation’s age structure. If the nearly 14 million immigrants who arrived in 2000 or later are excluded, it raises the average age in the United States in 2010 from 37.4 years to 37.6 years — roughly two months.

134 posted on 02/17/2013 12:04:42 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Brilliant argument here,thanks very much.


135 posted on 02/17/2013 12:11:05 PM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: kabar
The nation’s immigrant population (legal and illegal)

How can those two completely unrelated groups share the same descriptive term?

The immigrants are here legally, to work, study or become citizens. The illegal aliens are criminal invaders.

136 posted on 02/17/2013 12:24:44 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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Legal and illegal immigrants are just two sides of the same coin. They are essentially the same kinds of people when it comes to measuring the impact they are having on our country. Two thirds of legal immigrants vote Dem. They use welfare to a higher degree than the native born. We need fewer legal immigrants and no illegal ones.

If Obama, Rubio, Rand Paul, McCain, Graham, et al are successful, those 11 to 20 million illegal aliens will be legal immigrants. When you reward something, you get more of it.

137 posted on 02/17/2013 12:30:13 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Those stats seem to be co-mingling the Civil engineers and doctors from India, with the Mexican parasites and drywall contractors.


138 posted on 02/17/2013 12:33:13 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: kabar
Legal and illegal immigrants are just two sides of the same coin. They are essentially the same kinds of people when it comes to measuring the impact they are having on our country.

That's just not true!

As a first generation American, and having come from a community of assimilated Europeans, I know there are highly skilled foreigners who come here to participate in the American Dream and become Americans.

My dentist is a very nice woman from India...trying to become all-American

139 posted on 02/17/2013 12:42:40 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: kabar

A secure border is part of enforcement as well as tracking down and deporting visa overstays who comprise 40% of the illegal aliens in this country.

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Then why is all the focus of political dialogue about our porous southern border. If companies can keep track of every customer, our visa system should get up to speed and track our visa recipients. Our State Dept. is a total waste of time, judging by their effectiveness.


140 posted on 02/17/2013 12:49:21 PM PST by maica (Welcome to post-rational America.)
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Your stats for poverty of immigrants are no different from other centuries of immigrants to America. The poor and disenfranchised who came here worked hard to give a better life to their children. That has been one of the major circumstances that has made our country exceptional.

I 100% agree that English has to be our official language if we are not to become Balkanized any further. I suggest one way to accomplish this is to have the condition that anyone applying for residency has to put on their application form the name of a person fluent in English who is like a sponsor for official communication.

That avoids the ‘compassionate’ rules that every institution has to provide translators or translations, including our ballots.

Ex: The form filed for every schoolchild with names of contacts will include the person who speaks English, to be a liaison to the parents of the student.


141 posted on 02/17/2013 1:00:34 PM PST by maica (Welcome to post-rational America.)
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No offense, but aren’t you comingling the parasitic Mexican welfare type with “drywall contractors”? Those drywallers works like crazy and perform good work.

They also use Mexicans them in coal mines because they (a) work like crazy, (b) do not have to bend over. They are naturally short; big coal can drill smaller bore mines.

Don’t get me wrong, I hate open borders and free-for-all immigration.

I’m also trying to help AB get to 200 posts but we’re a bit sluggish today.


142 posted on 02/17/2013 1:45:26 PM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: maica
Then why is all the focus of political dialogue about our porous southern border. If companies can keep track of every customer, our visa system should get up to speed and track our visa recipients.

It is easier to talk about secure borders than it is about an interior enforcement system. The US-VISIT program was passed in 1996 to correct this problem, but it was never fully implemented thanks to mainly Bush who was a disaster on immigration. We have 50 million visitors a year so it is a formidable task. You not only have to track them, but also deport them.

Our State Dept. is a total waste of time, judging by their effectiveness.

What does the State Department have to do with it? DHS and ICE are responsible for the internal enforcement of our immigration laws. State issues most of the visas, but it has nothing to do with tracking and deporting those who receive them. And don't forget that under the Visa Wavier Program, there are over 30 countries that don't require visas to enter the US.

143 posted on 02/17/2013 1:47:19 PM PST by kabar
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To: shalom aleichem

Start making exceptions to the law based on any more of that journalistic feel-good crap, you’re well on your way to no damn law at all.

The more of this stuff I see, the more I’m going to the attitude that if you come into this country illegally, the only thing I’ve got for you is my boot point up your butt.

And the people making big profits or political careers out of pandering to lawbreakers need treated like the criminal dirtbags they truly are.


144 posted on 02/17/2013 1:57:36 PM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet
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“Start making exceptions to the law based on any more of that journalistic feel-good crap, you’re well on your way to no damn law at all.

The more of this stuff I see, the more I’m going to the attitude that if you come into this country illegally, the only thing I’ve got for you is my boot point up your butt.

And the people making big profits or political careers out of pandering to lawbreakers need treated like the criminal dirtbags they truly are.”

Thanks for preaching the truth!


145 posted on 02/17/2013 1:59:03 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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146 posted on 02/17/2013 1:59:51 PM PST by RedMDer (Support Free Republic)
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That's just not true! As a first generation American, and having come from a community of assimilated Europeans, I know there are highly skilled foreigners who come here to participate in the American Dream and become Americans.

It is true regardless of what anecdotal information you cite. 25% of adult legal immigrants lack even a high school degree. They are heavy users of our welfare system. For every dentist, there are three times as many poor and uneducated. And the vast majority of our legal immigrants come from the Third World, not Europe. And one factor that many Americans have no idea about is that 60% of the green cards issued each year are to change of status individuals, i.e., they got here one way, many times illegally, and then changed status.

Here is an article from a friend of mine, Two Sides of the Same Coin: The Connection Between Legal and Illegal Immigration"

I find it difficult when I address groups that even legal immigration must be reduced if we are going to maintain this nation as our Founders hoped. Unfortunately, we have been brainwashed by these phony claims that we are a nation of immigrants and that somehow we can accept any number of immigrants as long as they are legal. I wish we had a merit based immigration system where we brought in only skilled immigrants, but they make up only about 15% of the 1.2 million we bring in annually.

147 posted on 02/17/2013 2:04:00 PM PST by kabar
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To: shalom aleichem
No offense, but aren’t you comingling the parasitic Mexican welfare type with “drywall contractors”? Those drywallers works like crazy and perform good work.

Damn right I am. Both groups are thieves and the "good worker" types are skewing the labor market (stealing jobs)

I’m also trying to help AB get to 200 posts but we’re a bit sluggish today.

Larri...will you look at this?...Just look at it.

148 posted on 02/17/2013 2:12:39 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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Your stats for poverty of immigrants are no different from other centuries of immigrants to America. The poor and disenfranchised who came here worked hard to give a better life to their children. That has been one of the major circumstances that has made our country exceptional.

We are not the America of the late 19th Century and early 20th century. We don't need to import poverty in the form of unskilled and uneducated workers. They actually hurt us in being competitive in the global economy. Milton Friedman said that, “You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.” We have both. America cannot take in the billions of the world's poor who want to come here.

Here is a great article by the famed Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation: Importing Poverty: Immigration and Poverty in the United States: A Book of Charts

It was Rector's seminal article that got me interested and then invested in the immigration issue. I recommend it highly to anyone who wants to learn about the issue sans emotion and old bromides. We need to reform our system in much the same way the the rest of the developed world has done, i.e., a merit based system.

I suggest one way to accomplish this is to have the condition that anyone applying for residency has to put on their application form the name of a person fluent in English who is like a sponsor for official communication.

Why such a convoluted approach? Why not make it a precondition for residency? For example, in Germany, you must pass a fluency test. They have language institutes that provide the training for the tests.

That avoids the ‘compassionate’ rules that every institution has to provide translators or translations, including our ballots.

We wouldn't need such rules if we had English as the official language including on ballots. Here in Fairfax County we went to the dual language ballot, a first for any county in VA. Immigration is the reason VA is a purple state and will soon be a blue state. 30% of the population of Fairfax County is foreign born. We are spending over $100 million a year just on ESOL teacher costs in the $2.4 billion county school budget. And we are talking about hundreds of millions of dollars when it comes to educating the children of immigrants, legal and illegal. The ESOL population went up by a third just from last year to this one.

Ex: The form filed for every schoolchild with names of contacts will include the person who speaks English, to be a liaison to the parents of the student.

That is just not going to happen. We are going in the opposite direction,i.e., more accommodation for non-English speakers. Even the federal government has Spanish language cites for SS, Medicare, US jobs, etc. And many jobs are offering extra pay if you can speak Spanish whether it is the police, fire, or EMTs.

149 posted on 02/17/2013 2:25:00 PM PST by kabar
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Importing Poverty: Immigration and Poverty in the United States: A Book of Charts
150 posted on 02/17/2013 2:31:09 PM PST by kabar
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