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Goodbye, Prius? Japanese carmakers drop battery electric-car development
The Washington Times ^ | February 4, 2013 | Cheryl K. Chumley

Posted on 02/04/2013 10:41:56 AM PST by jazusamo

Japan is backtracking on battery electric-car development, as even Nissan’s vice chairman, the so-called “father of the Prius,” announced plans to copy Toyota and pursue fuel-cell cars that convert hydrogen to electricity.

“Because of its shortcomings — driving range, cost and recharging time — the electric vehicle is not a viable replacement for most conventional cars,” said Nissan’s vice chairman, Takeshi Uchiyamada,..

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: automakers; electricvehicles; failedgreen; fuelcell; nissan; prius; toyota
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Looks like Japanese auto companies have seen the light, wonder if Government Motors and Obama will follow?
1 posted on 02/04/2013 10:42:12 AM PST by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Hell no, they’ll double down now that they have the market all to themselves!.........


2 posted on 02/04/2013 10:46:07 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: jazusamo
if socialists admitted to reality they would not be socialists.
3 posted on 02/04/2013 10:46:57 AM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: jazusamo

Captain obvious alert!


4 posted on 02/04/2013 10:47:04 AM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: Red Badger

$40k for an exploding golf cart, what’s not to like?


5 posted on 02/04/2013 10:53:20 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: jazusamo

Time for the Skeeter to double down.


6 posted on 02/04/2013 10:57:23 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: jazusamo

Someone posted this question here a few years ago:

Who buys a used hybrid?


7 posted on 02/04/2013 10:59:37 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: jazusamo

There’s still the inevitable corporate embarrassment of untold millions of Priuses needing new $10K+ battery packs a few years down the road. There will be more of those things littering the highways than beer cans at some point.


8 posted on 02/04/2013 10:59:45 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jazusamo
“Because of its shortcomings — driving range, cost and recharging time — the electric vehicle is not a viable replacement for most conventional cars

A fact which every halfway knowledgeable person knew without having to invest several hundred billion dollars to experiment.


9 posted on 02/04/2013 11:01:16 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: jazusamo; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows
“Because of its shortcomings — driving range, cost and recharging time —

Not to speak of:


10 posted on 02/04/2013 11:02:44 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: jazusamo

Not so PC in Japan. No American would give up on it or they’d be pilloried by all our fools.


11 posted on 02/04/2013 11:04:21 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Red Badger

Auto Ping.


12 posted on 02/04/2013 11:06:20 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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Please bump the Freepathon or click above and donate or become a monthly donor!

13 posted on 02/04/2013 11:08:21 AM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: jiggyboy

The new electric cars are more modular.

And remember, locomotives use electric motors to drive themselves. The diesel just charges them.


14 posted on 02/04/2013 11:10:31 AM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: jiggyboy

Whoops, it’s more like three thousand bucks or less.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1078138_toyota-hybrid-battery-replacement-cost-guide


15 posted on 02/04/2013 11:15:32 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jazusamo

Explain how the vice-chairman of Nissan can be the father of Toyota’s Prius? Great reporting.


16 posted on 02/04/2013 11:17:22 AM PST by Jagman
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To: jiggyboy
Whoops, it’s more like three thousand bucks or less.

They say that the original batteries on a Prius should work for hundreds of thousands of miles. That's probably Toyota-specific perfectionism at work, though. I wouldn't be quite as confident about the batteries in a Chevy Volt.

17 posted on 02/04/2013 11:20:40 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: jiggyboy
...untold millions of Priuses....

Well, actually, the total production as of Oct 2012 was 2.8 million surprisingly.

18 posted on 02/04/2013 11:20:46 AM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Jagman

Exactly, it looks like reporting on cars is not Cheryl’s thing.


19 posted on 02/04/2013 11:23:11 AM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: Jagman

Nissan, Toyota, what’s the difference?

As you’ve likely guessed, he’s Toyota’s vice-chair, not Nissan’s.


20 posted on 02/04/2013 11:25:04 AM PST by green iguana
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To: Jagman
Explain how the vice-chairman of Nissan can be the father of Toyota’s Prius? Great reporting.

And Honda is doing very well with their prototype fuel cell car in California

21 posted on 02/04/2013 11:29:34 AM PST by khenrich (These days, people pine for Jimmy Carter........)
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To: Covenantor

Its amazing to me that people are confusing “all electric” cars to Hybrid cars. A Hybrid Prius has a gasoline motor and an electric motor that alternate depending on demand....it is not an all electric car. Toyota has no plans of dropping the Prius (which is selling very well).

I drive a Prius-C and an Audi Q5. I like them both....but I am averaging 47 miles per gallon in my little Prius, and that makes me very happy.


22 posted on 02/04/2013 11:30:57 AM PST by Fred911 (YOU GET WHAT YOU ACCEPT)
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To: cuban leaf

I did!


23 posted on 02/04/2013 11:32:08 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: cuban leaf

Sandra Fluke?


24 posted on 02/04/2013 11:32:14 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: reg45

I did!


How was its resale value?


25 posted on 02/04/2013 11:36:54 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: jazusamo
Follow? General Motors demonstrated a fuel cell vehicle in 1966.
26 posted on 02/04/2013 11:37:48 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Red Badger

Erectlic lide no good, Yankee. Get a crue...

http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-natural-gas/


27 posted on 02/04/2013 11:40:10 AM PST by shove_it (Long ago Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about 0banana's USA.)
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To: AppyPappy

IIRC, the diesel drives a generator which in turn drives an a.c. motor. The reason being that at low rpm’s an electric motor produces much more torque.


28 posted on 02/04/2013 11:40:55 AM PST by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: Fred911

“Its amazing to me that people are confusing “all electric” cars to Hybrid cars. A Hybrid Prius has a gasoline motor and an electric motor that alternate depending on demand....it is not an all electric car. Toyota has no plans of dropping the Prius (which is selling very well).

I drive a Prius-C and an Audi Q5. I like them both....but I am averaging 47 miles per gallon in my little Prius, and that makes me very happy.”

Even the Volt isn’t all electric. It has a gasoline motor. It’s a hybrid that relies more on it’s electrical side.

My reservations about hybrids are:

Cost of battery replacement.
Initial high cost vs. gas savings over the life of the vehicle. (ROI).
Environmental and energy costs of producing the battery packs.


29 posted on 02/04/2013 11:41:06 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: reg45

Yep, I wish I owned the one that was made, it’d be quite a collectors item:)


30 posted on 02/04/2013 11:44:15 AM PST by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: cuban leaf

I’m still driving it. I bought a used 2007 Honda Accord Hybrid in 2009. Still less than 70K miles on it.


31 posted on 02/04/2013 11:44:57 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: jazusamo

What idiot wrote this article and headline? Its not about the Prius or other hybrids, it about all electric cars. Also, the “grandfather of the Prius” does not work for Nissan, sheesh.


32 posted on 02/04/2013 11:56:58 AM PST by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: reg45

I mean, did you get a good deal?


33 posted on 02/04/2013 11:58:33 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Iron Munro
A fact which every halfway knowledgeable person knew without having to invest several hundred billion dollars to experiment.

A pompous brother-in-law of mine, bet me $100 in 2009 that gasoline powered cars would disappear in five years, and that most cars would be electric powered. One more year, and I collect on the bet! Of course, he's a liberal asshat so he'll just lie to squirm out of paying. He's an idiot, and proves your point (not even halfway knowledgeable). He invested heavily in solar panels among other green things and lost big, which makes me smirk at him.

34 posted on 02/04/2013 12:00:25 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Jagman

Toyota doesn’t make a pure electric vehicle like the Nissan Leaf. A hybrid is not the same vehicle as a pure electric. There is no “lack of range” for a Prius. It has a gas engine as well as an electric motor


35 posted on 02/04/2013 12:08:07 PM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: jazusamo
Years ago our school was given a grant ($12,000 plus local business donations) to convert a conventional car to an electric (battery) powered pure electric car. We used a lead acid battery set (96V) and a 100VDC motor.

The thing was an eye opener:

On the plus side it had acceleration like a scalded cat. It also had a pretty high peak speed for dashes.

On the negative side, we added nearly 1,000 pounds to the curb weight because of the battery set.

It had a max range of about 12 miles then took 20 hours to recharge.

The 96 VDC systems were prone to failure with lots of thermal problems.

Environmentally, it was a disaster. We had to constantly dispose of the lead acid batteries IAW EPA regulations. The energy to charge the battery still derived directly from commercial power so we used fossil fuels, nuclear power and LNG generated electricity

Early on, we saw that a hybrid system or fuel cell system was going to be much more feasible, reliable and economical.

The distressing part, to me, was that we told our sponsors (DOE, DOT and EPA) of these innovations and the shortcomings of a pure battery drive and they refused to allow us to improve any technology as we learned, at risk losing the grant money.

After three years, I pulled the plug on our project. It was going nowhere in terms of technology beyond being a large equivalent to an RC car.

Seeing the way the government still throws money into the battery powered car pit, I see nothing has really changed. I'm glad the manufacturers are exercising their right to opt out of this lunacy. They have to deal with reality to stay in business.

36 posted on 02/04/2013 12:17:25 PM PST by pfflier
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To: jazusamo

             

37 posted on 02/04/2013 12:54:17 PM PST by tomkat
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To: jiggyboy

I hear a lot of people downing the Prius, but I love mine. I have a horrendous commute — it was, at one point, six hours a day on the road (necessity — had to travel where the work was). My Prius has been a real life saver in the gas department. I really like my car. $10,000 battery down the road? I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it. Right now, it’s making it possible for me to get to work.


38 posted on 02/04/2013 1:03:03 PM PST by freepertoo
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To: cuban leaf

On the 2007 Accord, Honda’s hybrid system is a dissapointment when compared with Toyota or Ford. The new system on the 2013 Honda’s is much better. Unfortunately, their new plug-in Accord Hybrid - the car that the Volt wanted to be - is only available currently in California and New York.


39 posted on 02/04/2013 1:15:52 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: freepertoo
If you have a lot of stop and go driving to do, then it might make economic sense. At this point, most of my driving is highway miles, so I am looking there (diesel is great on the highway). Not sure which way I will go. I'd only buy if it makes economic sense. I think the good news for Hybrid owners in the future is that since they are selling so well, the economies of scale should bring the estimated price of replacement batteries considerably.
40 posted on 02/04/2013 1:39:17 PM PST by Paradox (Unexpected things coming for the next few years.)
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To: Fred911

Only thing I don’t like about Priuses (Pri’i?) is they can sneak up on you. I worked in a loading area for a hardware store and they used to drive up behind me while I was loading another car and I’d almost trip over them when I turned around.

I’d buy a Prius and I’m no tree hugger by any stretch of the imagination.


41 posted on 02/04/2013 1:52:34 PM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Beagle8U
SIR!

$40k for an exploding golf cart, what’s not to like?

Perhaps the quote of the century.

42 posted on 02/04/2013 3:39:12 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: jazusamo

What? A range of 35 miles is not good enough? Geez. /s


43 posted on 02/04/2013 3:47:17 PM PST by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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To: brownsfan
It has a gasoline motor.

No no no no no.

It has a gasoline engine and an electric motor.

44 posted on 02/04/2013 4:08:30 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Paradox
If you have a lot of stop and go driving to do, then it might make economic sense. At this point, most of my driving is highway miles, so I am looking there (diesel is great on the highway).

Sounds like you need a hybrid diesel. (VW?)

45 posted on 02/04/2013 4:13:26 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: roadcat
As I write this there are great advances being made in combustion engine and hybrid auto technology that will set new standards for efficiency, power and carbon emissions. Visit www.rtugroup.com and take a look at the pseudo adiabatic engine technology they have developed. In a nutshell they cut the heat of an engine in half, greatly increased its power and torque, while doubling fuel efficiency and cutting carbon emissions in half. I personally know the patent holder of this technology and he developed it in his shop against all odds. Furthermore, this company has produced a generator powered van and class 8 tractor that gets 6 to 8 times greater fuel efficiency than its diesel powered counterpart. These vehicles are powered by a generator and uses capacitors instead of batteries and has an combustion engine back up. Today in Europe and Japan there is a great deal of interest in this technology. In the US there is very little interest and much opposition. I suspect the European and Japanese interest is tied to the high cost of oil in those areas as well as the EU’s stringent emission standards which are due to go live in the next year or two. Regardless, this is great stuff and I have seen the technology up close and personal in multiple platforms. A technological leap forward is heading our way and it will change the economy and the way we live.
46 posted on 02/04/2013 4:48:53 PM PST by DakotaNative
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To: jazusamo; a fool in paradise
This (foolish) move by the Japanese screams 0pportunity with a big '0'. LOet us hope that Government Motors picks it up and runs with it to corner the vast battery operated automobile market!
47 posted on 02/04/2013 4:51:27 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: DakotaNative

Color me skeptical. If, as you say, great advances are being made, we’re not seeing it here in the U.S. We’re getting scammed left and right by promises that don’t pan out, and ripped off by government subsidies to companies, stolen from our taxes, that end up benefitting foreign nations.

So if the advances happen, more power to you (her-hee). But let’s be fair, and acknowledge the efficiency and worth of gasoline - a proven technology. It’s been unfairly dinged left and right (mostly from the left).


48 posted on 02/04/2013 5:15:52 PM PST by roadcat
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To: DakotaNative

Color me skeptical. If, as you say, great advances are being made, we’re not seeing it here in the U.S. We’re getting scammed left and right by promises that don’t pan out, and ripped off by government subsidies to companies, stolen from our taxes, that end up benefitting foreign nations.

So if the advances happen, more power to you (hee-hee). But let’s be fair, and acknowledge the efficiency and worth of gasoline - a proven technology. It’s been unfairly dinged left and right (mostly from the left).


49 posted on 02/04/2013 5:16:17 PM PST by roadcat
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Hybrid diesel - It worked for the U-boat.


50 posted on 02/04/2013 6:25:23 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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