Skip to comments.Cops hunt for gun lost by Plymouth captain in courthouse bathroom
Posted on 01/29/2013 7:53:40 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
Plymouth, state and Wareham police are continuing their search this morning for a veteran cops loaded service revolver that went missing from a courthouse bathroom yesterday after Plymouth Police Capt. John Rogers Jr. inadvertently left it behind during a rest stop.
Plymouth Police Chief Michael Botieri said the investigation includes a review of defendants who had cases before Wareham District Court yesterday, where Rogers, a 26-year veteran and head of his departments operations division, went to testify.
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what an idiot. I remember one of the girls coming out of the latrine and another captain looking at her and saying “Did you forget something?” She said “Scuse me?” in a snotty way then panic came over her face and she turned and ran back in to get he M16 she left leaning on the wall.
Can I put my bullet in now, Andy?
In the year 2078, when all cops carry Death Rays and Phasers will the media STILL refer to them as “service revolvers”?
Damn guns .... if they’re not committing murder they’re running away.
They bust people in the Army for losing their weapons. It’s a good thing that cops don’t have to worry about that.
THe only time I left my gun behind was in the lock box at the jail sally port. Nothing like getting out on a traffic stop and have an empty holster. Happened once. NEVER in a public bathroom. This is such idiocy. WHen CCW, I put the gun in my pants so I cannot forget it. These are the people who are so much better with guns than mere mortal civilians. Damn. I would say fire him but he is a Captain so he will get a pass. Just the way it is.
The irony and timing of this incident are exquisite!
The evil NRA must have hypnotized this stalwart keeper of the peace.
It sounds like he's qualified for a high ranking position in DHS, directly under Big Sis.
At least the city’s dogs are a little safer.
Clearly, firearms are too dangerous for police to possess, whatever the constitution may say.
“What difference, at this point, does it make?”
Disarm all captains nationwide. Clearly, they are not able to practice gun responsibility.
Coupe DeVal is apt to name this stalwart of law enforcement the head of public safety or something.
No one wants to be directly under Big Sis. The weight is too much to bear. Not to mention the aroma.
I know. This is friggin' awesome.
"Hey, the average Joe doesn't need a gun. The 2nd amendment is outdated. We got cops now; they didn't have them in 1781."
"What about that flat foot who left his roscoe in the shitter?"
" . . . "
That raises an interesting “what would you do” question. How would a finder identify it as a police weapon, until it was announced to the public that it was missing? Would you run a “found” ad in the paper / on the ‘net, with a request for the owner to form a line on the right and don’t push? If you had it for a day or two before you became aware of its origin, then turned it over to police, would you be in trouble? If you find a weapon and turn it in to the police, you can pretty much bet that you’ll never get it back!
I used to frequent a military facility that required leaving your cell phone at the front desk. I would put my cell phone in my hat and leave it there. The guard asked me why I did that. I answered that I could easily leave my cell phone in the building, but I couldn't walk outside without putting on my cover.
As far as taking a poop goes, you are right. If you have to drop trou to take care of business and that involves taking a gun off your waist, sit down and place the gun in the crotch of your pants. Preferably that will still be in the holster, but it beats leaving it on a shelf. I have a friend that used to be an Air Marshal that said that was the best way to not lose your gun.
Is this anything like having your gun go to the bottom in a tragic boating accident?
Dunno, but it's an interesting question. I wonder if Plymouth is a "shall issue" town or a "not on your effing life proletariat, LEOs only" town. The decision is at the sole discretion of the police chief.
Are you joking??? There is a gun out there on the loose, man. All kinds of chaos is bound to ensue.
It also raises an interesting question about the consequences to the police officer, should the firearm be used to perpetrate a crime. The officer was negligent, already, all that’s missing is damages.
Dropped his pants...and there it was....his big gun !!!!
And his official dossier:
Captain John W. Rogers Jr. is a 26 year veteran of the Plymouth Police Department. He joined the Plymouth Police department as an Intermittent Patrolman in May of 1985. In January of 1986 he was appointed a Permanent Patrolman assigned to the Patrol Division.
In February of 1993 he was assigned to the Detective Division handling Criminal Investigations. In 1996 he was then assigned to the Narcotics Unit until promoted to Sergeant in March of 1998. Once promoted to Sergeant, he worked in the Patrol Division as a Shift Commander and Patrol Supervisor.
Also as Sergeant, he was assigned to head the departments Training Division for three years. In June of 2005 he was promoted to Lieutenant and assigned to the Uniform Division as a Shift Commander. In October of 2005 he was assigned as the departments Detective Unit Commander where he supervised 10 Detectives in the general investigations and drug units until being promoted to Captain in December of 2008. Captain Rogers has been assigned to head the Operations Division.
Captain Rogers responsibilities include the Uniform Division, Detective Division, Prosecution Division, School Resource Officers (SROs), as well as Internal Affairs.Captain Rogers holds a Bachelors of Science Degree in Criminal Justice from the University of Massachusetts in Boston and a Masters of Science Degree in Criminal Justice from Western New England College. He is also a graduate of the 232nd session of the FBIs prestigious National Academy in Quantico Virginia as well as the 55th session of the United States Drug Enforcement Administrations Drug Unit Commanders Academy.
Captain Rogers is also on staff as an instructor and Staff Instructor for the Massachusetts Municipal Police Training Committee in Plymouth and has done so since 1996.
Here I sit
Tried to sh*t
But only lost my gun and became a laughingstock the world over . . .
Wait for a gun buyback and turn it in then. Only way to ensure it is destroyed and doesn't find it's way back onto the street.
A local paper is reporting that the lost gun wasn't the dude's service weapon at all, but an "off duty weapon":
Plymouth police Chief Michael E. Botieri confirmed that Rogers gun is missing and that it was taken after he put it down inside the Cranberry Highway courthouse Monday afternoon.
Most area police carry 9 mm semi-automatic pistols such as Glocks, which can hold from 13 to 17 rounds, but Botieri could not say what kind of gun Rogers lost.
Wareham Lt. Kevin Walsh said it was an off-duty weapon, a small handgun, but was not certain of the make. It is not clear how an on-duty weapon differs from an off-duty one, and whether both are issued by the department.
This story needs to go national.
No good whatsoever can come from just calling the police station and arranging to bring it in, or even for them to come out and pick it up. I can well imagine that in many jurisdictions they could and would gin up any number of charges on you; “possession of stolen property” is pretty much a given.
I’d secure it myself, then bring it into the nearest police station. First, however, I’d photograph the hell out of where I found it, and even try to find a witness or two who’d swear up and down that my story was right.
The big downside to the legal doctrine of finders-keepers in this case is what happens if you eventually do have to use it to protect yourself. The inevitable investigation would illustrate the principle of “compound interest” in a way that even the most math-phobic would immediately and completely understand.
And don’t touch it, pick it up with a cloth or paper towel so your fingerprints don’t get on it, or mess up prints that might already be there. That might be evidence that could put a scumbag in jail.
Was it his “duty” weapon?
Take the gun, load it with blanks and use it to shoot back at the next helicopter fake-strafing the freeway.
That should collapse the Media wave-function.
It used to be not uncommon for police to carry a “throwaway”, a small firearm with a criminal history or with serial numbers removed, to plant on someone they might shoot by mistake.
Of course, police everywhere have reformed since those bad old days.
apparently it was his “doodie” weapon.
Firearms get left in rental cars regularly. Usually the owners call back frantically. I heard of one of the car preps trying to pocket one but the owner returned and claimed it. I have a close friend that works for one of the car rental services.
I would leave it in place, keep others away, and call LEO if at all possible to do it this way; it may not simply be a misplaced firearm but could be evidence in a crime.
Dropped his shooter in the sh***er, huh? Bummer.
Will he now face prosecution for failing to store the gun properly? Get David Gregory on the story.
Kind of like what I do with my car keys. After locking them in my car a couple of times, once at Norfolk Naval Shipyard, I got into the habit of placing my keyring in my teeth, until I close and lock the car door, when I then put the keys in my pocket. I guess it looks funny, but I haven’t locked my keys in the car in years.
I hold my keys up in front of my face with one hand and then close the door with the other.
If I found it, I wouldn’t keep it. Too much trouble if you got caught with it. I’d sell it to a gangbanger instead :)
If a private citizen was involved they would be in a screaming rage.
It is hard to tell whether it is simply misplaced or has been ditched by someone who had a reason to ditch it.
I would not touch it and I would call the police to take custody of it.
I'd feel pretty bad if I had discovered evidence that could put a bad guy away for a long time, but somehow messed things up through my actions or inaction and gave him a free pass.