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1 posted on 01/26/2013 11:35:55 AM PST by pabianice
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Looks like LiesOut.org felt the need to re-stoke the propaganda machine and make extra flames for the memory hole.


2 posted on 01/26/2013 11:40:14 AM PST by Olog-hai
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It might help to provide clear evidence that GUN CONTROL was specifically designed to disarm Blacks!


3 posted on 01/26/2013 11:40:53 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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Just a dew. There are lots more.
1854: The Republican Party is formed to “stop the spread of slavery.” The Democratic Party is decidedly…”Pro-Slavery”

March 20, 1854: Opponents of Democrats’ pro-slavery policies meet in Ripon, Wisconsin to establish the Republican Party
*Stephen Douglas, Democratic Party Leader authored the Kansas-Nebraska Act.

May 30, 1854: Democrat President Franklin Pierce signs Democrats’ Kansas-Nebraska Act, expanding slavery into U.S. territories; opponents unite to form the Republican Party

June 16, 1854: Newspaper editor Horace Greeley calls on opponents of slavery to unite in the Republican Party

July 6, 1854: First state Republican Party officially organized in Jackson, Michigan, to oppose Democrats’ pro-slavery policies

February 11, 1856: Republican Montgomery Blair argues before U.S. Supreme Court on behalf of his client, the slave Dred Scott; later served in [Republican] President Lincoln’s Cabinet

February 22, 1856: First national meeting of the Republican Party, in Pittsburgh, to coordinate opposition to Democrats’ pro-slavery policies

March 27, 1856: First meeting of Republican National Committee in Washington, DC to oppose Democrats’ pro-slavery policies

May 22, 1856: For denouncing Democrats’ pro-slavery policy, Republican U.S. Senator Charles Sumner (R-MA) is beaten nearly to death on floor of Senate by U.S. Rep. Preston Brooks (D-SC), takes three years to recover


4 posted on 01/26/2013 11:42:11 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda—Divide and conquer. FREEDOM OR FREE STUFF- YOU GET ONE CHOICE, CHOOSE WISELY)
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Where are these poor excuses for intellectuals getting this bovine excrement, from their lower sphincter?
Seriously, they suffer from cranialial rectumitis.


6 posted on 01/26/2013 11:45:45 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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As Dr. Carl T. Bogus wrote

Paging Dr. Bogus..... Paging Dr. Bogus.... Dr. Bogus, please pick up a white courtesy phone...

7 posted on 01/26/2013 11:46:15 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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Phony historians serving the causes of a phony President.

This rewriting of history is reminiscent of the old Soviet Union where receipients of a Russian enclycopaedia were given strips of paper that said for Beria substitute the Bering Straits. They are trying to shove the intent of the 2nd amendment to have arms in case the government turns tyrannical down the memeory hole.

8 posted on 01/26/2013 11:49:43 AM PST by Stepan12
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Second Amendment Ratified to Preserve Slavery

Yes it had to be don't you see..

Tried and true methods were no longer available, whites had to find new methods to kill off blacks.. Democratic [Congressman Major Owens] from New York City . . . stated in a 1995 speech on the House floor that during the African slave trade more than 200,000,000 people were thrown over the sides of the slave ships which carried them across the Atlantic, permanently disrupting the ecology and causing sharks to follow any and all ships since the trade was stopped in the 1850's. This figure worked out to be 152 slaves taken aboard nine ships per day for 200 years to get the total amount of slaves thrown overboard. After reworking his absurd figure down to 100,000,000 slaves, Owens' claim was picked up by ABC News, which reported the claim as "fact".

They first tried putting 200,000,000 on an island but when the island didn't tip over as expected the whites boarded the slaves and put back out to sea.

9 posted on 01/26/2013 11:53:58 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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for later


10 posted on 01/26/2013 11:54:47 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains
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Second Amendment Ratified to Preserve Slavery (barf-up both lungs alert)

So now that there is no longer slavery, we no longer need the Second Amendment? UNMITIGATED BULLSHIT!!!

11 posted on 01/26/2013 11:57:41 AM PST by GoldenPup
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This is complete nonsense. Blacks, once again, think that it is all about them. The militia stood against all threats, local and beyond, but the Indians (Native Americans, don't you know) and the Spanish were chief among the real threats. Certainly, the South was concerned about a slave revolt. Incidents in the Caribbean had given them pause and cause for concern. The real historical record, however, is quite different.

A few of my words on the topic from another venue:

In the years before the American Revolution, my 5th Great Grandfather was Captain of the Rowan County, NC militia. His duties were several: collect the property taxes for those property owners in his militia district, see to it that all able bodied males were equipped to serve when the militia were called out (usually to respond to threats or results of Indian attacks), and to be a voice for the neighborhood at government deliberations in Salisbury. In addition, he served on the Committee of Safety which concerned itself with safety of a sort somewhat different than sidewalk ramps and trigger locks on muskets.

When things got a little testy with the government of King George, his duties saw an increase as the county militias began to drill and prepare in case the British Army should make an appearance in that part of the Carolina Backwoods. Before they did, he moved to neighboring Lincoln County where he was appointed Major of Horse of the Lincoln County regiment. No long responsible for tax collection and infantry drill, he ensured that the County had a troop of well mounted and trained soldiers who could both ride and shoot - the rapid reaction force of its day. In the course of his duties, he incurred expenses which he submitted to the government of North Carolina, but these were kept in arrears until after the war as they were generally short of funds. However, since his fellow settlers took their civic duties seriously, they were well armed with locally made rifles, better than the Brown Bess musket of their opponents, and fine horses bred by the local planters. Saddles were made by local craftsmen, gunpowder from a colonial mill nearby, and bullets could be cast by just about anybody.

So when the British did show up at King's Mountain in 1780, they were ready. Cavalry had spread the word of the British advance and the militia responded toute de suite from all around and as far away as Watauga, in Tennessee. Major Dickson gathered his troops and went to defend their homes, families, and property. They beat the British that day and the campaign to supress the rebellion in the South was essentially done.

When Congressman Dickson took up his duties in Philadelphia and later the new capitol of Washington, he recognized the deficiencies of the militia and stood for a strong national government and a national army like the Continental Army had been. But, his opinion was in the minority. Thomas Jefferson (1st cousin, 7x removed) did not support a National Army, but rather believed in the militia system and hoped to keep it strong. The Second Amendment arose from men like this who believed it was the right of the people to rise up against an unjust central government and one of the compromises that was crafted into the Bill of Rights was a right of those citizens to keep arms. Not for hunting, not for self defense against brigands, but rather to embody forever the right and ability of the citizenary to oppose domestic and foreign governments when they decide to trample the rights of the people.

Progress has shown that Dickson was right as it applied to foreign governments, a National Army is the only answer to those threats. But Jefferson's notion is as viable today as it ever was as evidenced by the behavior of many of our elected officials, their toady political hack law enforcement officials, and others who are as ignorant of our history as they are of our rights.

13 posted on 01/26/2013 12:02:14 PM PST by centurion316
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“Dr. Carl T. Bogus”

Seriously?


15 posted on 01/26/2013 12:07:56 PM PST by Salamander (We're all kinds of animals comin' round here...occasional demons, too.)
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16 posted on 01/26/2013 12:07:59 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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Problem solved: Let the slaves have guns with the same Constitutional rights of the slave owners. Good ideas like the 2nd Amendment have a way of encouraging equality under the law and liberty.


17 posted on 01/26/2013 12:08:42 PM PST by pallis
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"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state ..."

The context suggests that they were using "state" not to refer to specific units comprising our country, but in a general philosophical sense to mean "polity" or "politically organized society" which might mean anything from a village or town up to a nation or empire.

Anyway, there were enough farmers throughout the country who had a rifle by the fire who took it out and used it against the British in the Revolution to make his speculation look silly.

I doubt the representatives of New Hampshire or Massachusetts or Pennsylvania farmers and shopkeepers were thinking much about slave patrols when they ratified the amendment.

18 posted on 01/26/2013 12:17:26 PM PST by x
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Well, this will come as a shock to the people who wrote the English Bill of Rights in 1689.

On the other hand, Danny Glover et al, have their own Stargate Portal with which they step into and out of reality as it suits them, so perhaps they believe Patrick Henry had one, too; using it, he went back in time to grant free Protestants the RKBA so he could have it for himself later on...

But even if we confine liberal amnesia to the post Revolutionary period, they've kind of got a problem. Because the Pennsylvania Constitution, which predates ratification of the US Constitution by 13 years, includes this rather curious provision:

Section 21 . Right to Bear Arms The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

Now, it is true that Pennsylvania did not actually outlaw slavery until 1780, but I note no reference to a "militia" in this provision. People who actually care about history should also note that in 1780 the free population (which included blacks) outnumbered the slave population (which included whites) by about 40:1 in The Commonwealth.

So, even if those sneaky Pennsylvanians left out "militia" to avoid being called racists, but were just as anxious to keep their slave populations in check as those evil Virginians, they surely didn't need a militia or even a RKBA to do that. With that kind of ratio even pacifist Quakers with harsh words could have done so.

Yet still, for some reason, they felt the need to specifically recognize a right of personal and collective self-defense. Maybe, just maybe, it was this: Birthplace of the Second Amendment 1765

Facts can be pesky things. Except to liberals...

20 posted on 01/26/2013 12:37:30 PM PST by FredZarguna (And it's a felony beef.)
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Most of the comments about this piece of garbage are totally negative, except for a couple from commies and race-baiters. One race hustler actually equates having to work for a living with slavery.


21 posted on 01/26/2013 12:42:02 PM PST by ozzymandus
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We’re all slaves..wage slaves, nanny-state slaves, healthcare slaves.

Regardless the article, we still need the 2nd to keep from becoming chained/beaten slaves..


23 posted on 01/26/2013 12:43:25 PM PST by WCH
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It doesn’t matter why the Second Amendmendment was passed into the Constitution. The fact is that IT IS in the constitution. Without a 3/4 majority of BOTH houses and a 3/4 majority of ALL the states legislatures, it is THE LAW of the land and that means. The right to bear arms SHALL not be infringed.


24 posted on 01/26/2013 12:49:56 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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This is fiction for dummies. Hard to believe that anyone would buy ibto this dreck.


26 posted on 01/26/2013 1:08:25 PM PST by buffaloguy
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The 2nd amendment does not GIVE you the right to bear arms – It PROTECTS your right to bear arms.

This subtle difference is important because it establishes that the right to bear arms is a pre-existing, long-established natural right and is as legally defensible as a person's right to life.

In short, the Government does not give you this right. Instead, the 2nd amendment affirms that the Government shall not infringe upon this right.

An often made argument that the 2nd Amendment is invalid because it was written before the invention of modern automatic firearms is flawed. Because the same situation is true of the 1st Amendment, which protects freedom of the press. The 1st Amendment also was written long before the development of modern technologies like cable news, the internet or social media like Facebook and Twitter.

Another widely held, but incorrect claim is that 2nd Amendment meant only a "Well established militia". Legal experts know, that as recently as 2008, the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home within many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession listed by the Court as being consistent with the Second Amendment. And in the year 2010, the Supreme Court ruled that the 2nd Amendment limits state and local governments to the same extent that it limits the federal government.

34 posted on 01/26/2013 2:27:14 PM PST by vortigern
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