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State Police: All 26 Newtown victims shot with assault rifle
Connecticut Post ^ | January 24, 2013 | Neil Vigdor

Posted on 01/25/2013 10:11:08 AM PST by Uncle Chip

Lt. J. Paul Vance, the face of an ongoing Connecticut State Police investigation into worst grade-school shooting in U.S. history, Thursday debunked media and Internet reports that Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza killed his victims with handguns and not the Bushmaster XM-15 E2S rifle that is now the focus of a proposed federal assault-weapons ban.

All 26 of Lanza's victims were shot with the .223-caliber semi-automatic rifle, said Vance, who bristled at claims to the contrary during an interview with Hearst Connecticut Newspapers.

"It's all these conspiracy theorists that are trying to mucky up the waters," said Vance, the longtime state police spokesman. Multiple Second Amendment and gun owner websites have attempted to cast doubts on whether the Bushmaster XM-15, a type of AR-15 rifle that is currently legal, was used in the Dec. 14 carnage done by Lanza.

Some have cited a Dec. 15 "Today" show video clip from the day after the shooting, in which NBC News Justice Department correspondent Pete Williams said that four handguns were recovered inside Sandy Hook Elementary School and that the Bushmaster rifle was found in the trunk of a car owned by Lanza's slain mother, Nancy Lanza.

"There's no doubt that the rifle was used solely to kill 26 people in that school," Vance said.

Twenty children ages 7 and under and six female educators were killed when Lanza forced his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School and sprayed the occupants with bullets before turning a gun on himself.

Vance said he made it abundantly clear during his media briefings since the tragedy that Lanza carried out the shooting with the Bushmaster.

"I personally articulated that probably a dozen times in Newtown," Vance said.

(Excerpt) Read more at ctpost.com ...


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KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; leo; newtown; sandyhook; secondamendment
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1 posted on 01/25/2013 10:11:17 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

And if only 2 were shot with the rifle, to quote Hillary, “what difference does that make?”


2 posted on 01/25/2013 10:14:00 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (I own a weapon to protect my family from those wanting to take that weapon away.)
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To: Uncle Chip

It’s amazing this pops up now, pre-gun ban, when there were so many reports to the contrary after the event.


3 posted on 01/25/2013 10:14:54 AM PST by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: Uncle Chip

So has anyone asked Pete Williams at NBC wtf is going on?


4 posted on 01/25/2013 10:15:39 AM PST by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: Uncle Chip

I am just curious, but if all 26 victims had been shot by a handgun, would they now be trying to ban handguns? I don’t think so. They waited for a crisis of opportunity to move on rifles. After they ban those, they will wait for a handgun crisis. And then a shotgun crisis. Etc.


5 posted on 01/25/2013 10:16:23 AM PST by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Uncle Chip
"There's no question that the AR-15 was used, the Bushmaster shot those children with multiple rounds and was instrumental in the massacre," Blumenthal told Hearst Newspapers on Thursday after a Capitol Hill news conference. "Those children and educators might well be alive today if not for the assault weapon and high-capacity magazines."

Compared to what? Lanza with two handguns and plenty of ten-round magazines? At the range Lanza was shooting at, accuracy was irrelvant. And all he would have to do is shoot the teacher in each room first and then face no resistance in a classroom from the small children, so changing magazines would not present an opportunity to jump him.

Nothing like tactical idiots with an agenda.

6 posted on 01/25/2013 10:17:26 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Uncle Chip

and the story changes again...


7 posted on 01/25/2013 10:17:28 AM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Uncle Chip

1st they said the long gun was in the car. Now to vilify so called assault rifles they are saying it wasn’t the 2 hangins but the AR. Which is it?

Sounds like the lying sacks of s**t are at it again.


8 posted on 01/25/2013 10:18:07 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Really? All 26 were shot with a weapon capable of full auto 3 shot bursts?


9 posted on 01/25/2013 10:18:08 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: jimt

I don’t think there were “so many” reports to the contrary, there were just a bunch of reports citing this one NBC report. One mistake gets spread and amplified quickly.

I think what happened is the police never said that the Bushmaster was in the trunk, they said they recovered a “long gun” from the trunk, NBC was aware that a Bushmaster was recovered, but hand’t heard about the shotgun, and they autmatically assumed the Bushmaster was the “Long Gun.”


10 posted on 01/25/2013 10:18:38 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: wesagain

I was wondering the same thing myself: it’s been about eight hours since someone reposted that false story. /s


11 posted on 01/25/2013 10:18:43 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Uncle Chip

“There’s no question that the AR-15 was used, the Bushmaster shot those children with multiple rounds and was instrumental in the massacre...”


Yet no where in the article does it say why there is no question. Wound analysis? The rifle sooty and smoking where the shooter was found dead? Shell casings in 223 caliber?

Which gun was used has become a matter of extreme importance, so I’m disinclined to blindly accept this fat @#$%’s word for it.


12 posted on 01/25/2013 10:19:21 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: dirtboy

I recall reports that Lanza did not fire full magazines, but changed then well before they were empty, meaning high cap magazines were not a factor at all.


13 posted on 01/25/2013 10:19:43 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: Uncle Chip

All guns except machine guns and muzzle loaders are SEMI-AUTOMATIC. They require multiple trigger pulls to fully discharge the weapon.


14 posted on 01/25/2013 10:19:43 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: dirtboy

I’ve seen multiple internet videos of that old guy sharpshooter who can shoot a revolver (single action or not) just as fast as somebody can crank out with a semi-auto, rifle or not.

It isn’t about ‘assault’ anything. It is about control. It is about banning what they can initially along with magazines they don’t like, but the end result is banning guns, period...it will start with universal checks, national registry, and then confiscation.

Come and take them, then.


15 posted on 01/25/2013 10:21:21 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Uncle Chip
the rifle was used solely to kill 26 people in that school

I'm not doing any conspiracy stuff. I accept everything the officials say. But I do want to comment on the way some people formulate their sentences -- it can reveal something of the thoughts inside their head.

Look at the phrase above. I know what the man meant. He was providing useful information. He was attempting to indicate that a handgun was not used, and neither was a shotgun used. A rifle was used: nothing else. I got that.

But what he actually says -- the wording he came up with -- says that rifles have no use other than to kill people -- "the rifle was used solely to kill".

Not a statement I like to see. That's the mentality of a gun-grabber.

16 posted on 01/25/2013 10:21:54 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: Uncle Chip

It doesn’t matter. The Second Amendment guarantees our right to bear arms.
Any attempt to ban guns is unconstitutional. Next please.


17 posted on 01/25/2013 10:22:43 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Lawyers have caused thousands of times more destruction to our nation than have guns)
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To: pgkdan
"and the story changes again..."

What ever is necessary to meet the desired political outcome.

18 posted on 01/25/2013 10:22:53 AM PST by Baynative (I'm reading a book about anti-gravity. I can't put it down.)
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To: Sender

Exactly!


19 posted on 01/25/2013 10:23:34 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda—Divide and conquer. FREEDOM OR FREE STUFF- YOU GET ONE CHOICE, CHOOSE WISELY)
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To: ltc8k6

“Lanza changed magazines frequently as he fired his way through the first-grade classrooms of Lauren Rousseau and Victoria Soto, sometimes shooting as few as 15 shots from a 30-round magazine, sources said.

More than a week after the shooting, investigators were still finding bullets under doors and in carpets and walls in the school as they tried to match the casings to the magazines.”

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/newtown-sandy-hook-school-shooting/hc-sandyhook-lanza-earplugs-20130106,0,2370630.story


20 posted on 01/25/2013 10:23:45 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: Don Corleone

except for the single-shot ones


21 posted on 01/25/2013 10:24:09 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: Don Corleone

No. I’ve fired bolt-action rifles for which one had to work the bolt to chamber a round.


22 posted on 01/25/2013 10:24:45 AM PST by bagman
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To: HereInTheHeartland

They’ll wait til they get rid of the bullets and manufacturers are out of business and they won’t have as much trouble confiscating..for healthcare reasons, of course. It’s a done deal.


23 posted on 01/25/2013 10:25:59 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda—Divide and conquer. FREEDOM OR FREE STUFF- YOU GET ONE CHOICE, CHOOSE WISELY)
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To: ltc8k6

He could just about empty one 10-round mag and then pop in another in seconds while having the other handgun ready in case someone tried to jump him. When the tactical claims are bogus, you know there is another agenda here.


24 posted on 01/25/2013 10:27:56 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Uncle Chip

Not sure of the exact day but I heard Vance state on TV before of after the ME that all were shot with the AR type weapon.The ME confirmed,dont know where the confusion come s from?


25 posted on 01/25/2013 10:28:16 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: TribalPrincess2U

I might add: If it wasn’t a done deal (0bama’s entire agenda) he would have been gone by now. He’s a tool, but an effective one.


26 posted on 01/25/2013 10:28:57 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda—Divide and conquer. FREEDOM OR FREE STUFF- YOU GET ONE CHOICE, CHOOSE WISELY)
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To: Uncle Chip

And what was the toxicology report on him and his mom?

Is that published?

This all has to be taken into context.


27 posted on 01/25/2013 10:29:13 AM PST by cicero2k
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To: bagman

And you have to rack pump shotguns as well.


28 posted on 01/25/2013 10:30:38 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Yeah. They admit that he swapped mags frequently, so mag size was irrelevant.

“Investigators are aware that frequent reloading is common in violent video games because an experienced player knows never to enter a new building or room without a full magazine so as not to risk running out of bullets. This has led them to speculate privately that this might be a reason that he replaced magazines frequently.”


29 posted on 01/25/2013 10:31:15 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: t1b8zs
The ME confirmed,dont know where the confusion come s from?

There was one NBC report right after the event (which originated with the local affiliate) that the Bushmaster was in the trunk and he used handguns for the shootings. This was retracted. That report was repeated a bit by other sources.

Then that NBC report was ressurected by a collection of conspiracy morons last week and posted all over the internet, with an even larger number of even stupider people not noticing that the NBC report was from mid-December and spreading it further.

That's how we got to where we are today.

30 posted on 01/25/2013 10:32:40 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: ltc8k6

“I recall reports that Lanza did not fire full magazines, but changed then well before they were empty, meaning high cap magazines were not a factor at all.”

Nor are they a factor for anyone shot by the first 10 rounds out of the AW.


31 posted on 01/25/2013 10:32:54 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Gaffer
it will start with universal checks, national registry, and then confiscation.

Don't forget the new Obamacare penalty that will be enacted which states that if you own a gun in your house, you must pay an annual Obamacare penalty of $5000. Hasn't happened yet, but nothing is stopping them from doing so in the near future.
32 posted on 01/25/2013 10:33:44 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: Uncle Chip

Ok, wait. I have read several articles, sourced from the coroner that say no rifles were used.


33 posted on 01/25/2013 10:35:18 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Oh, NOW it gets confirmed.

The only reason they want assault weapons gone is that you can pick off a 15 rioters from 100 yards away in less than a minute with good training.


34 posted on 01/25/2013 10:37:16 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: svcw

Just post up those links then...


35 posted on 01/25/2013 10:38:14 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Strategerist

While I believe you’re right, there has been too much secrecy of autopsy reports and misinformation that was never set right by the media. Lack of clarity has no rhyme or reason, but has been very helpful to domestic enemies, who have been singularly advantaged by the break down of both the truth and un-timeliness in the reporting.

The media is purposely and personally shaping stories that serve the enemies of the Constitution.

The authorities should have known and observed that the rumor mill was being fed false information and should have made the facts and clarifications known by releasing both investigative and medical reports.


36 posted on 01/25/2013 10:39:00 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: struggle

“rioters”...

yep, they want us to be subject to our deserved death at the hands of thugs.


37 posted on 01/25/2013 10:40:59 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: jjotto

Several on FR yesterday.


38 posted on 01/25/2013 10:42:08 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Beelzebubba
I would like to know about the guy the cops had to run down in the woods.! Who was he?? What was he doing there?? Why did he run...??

I think this terrible thing really happened...BUT...the whole thing is being moiled to fit the whats and desires of the anti-gun narrative...In other words...They lie like dogs..!

Never let a crises go to waste..!!

39 posted on 01/25/2013 10:43:20 AM PST by unread
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To: Gaffer

This guy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw Or this guy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_McGivern


40 posted on 01/25/2013 10:44:51 AM PST by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: jimt
It’s amazing this pops up now, pre-gun ban, when there were so many reports to the contrary after the event.

This isn't anything new.

41 posted on 01/25/2013 10:45:07 AM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: Uncle Chip
All 26 of Lanza's victims were shot with the .223-caliber semi-automatic rifle, said Vance, who bristled at claims to the contrary during an interview with Hearst Connecticut Newspapers.

And if they hadn't been shot with the rifle, then what would they have been shot with?

Adam Lanza certainly had no lack of options to choose from.

42 posted on 01/25/2013 10:49:04 AM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: Sender
I think they are going for certain handguns. As for Lanza, it makes sense that he wouldn't switch weapons, but the idea that mag limits would have saved anyone is ridiculous. If he had been using three round magazines he still would have had more than enough time to do what he did, even if he had been using a handgun with three round magazines. It takes what, maybe two seconds to switch out a mag? The Democrats are just using these children to advance the totalitarian cause. Every reasonable person can understand that the way to stop these events is to actually defend the schools, but the fascists don't care. Oh, and I think the Fudds will be next on the hit list. I can hear it now: "They can hunt deer with single shot shotguns...nobody needs a scoped sniper rifle to hunt deer." People should use the next two years to at least double the number of ARs in civilian hands so as to drive the point home...no tyranny will arise in America, period.
43 posted on 01/25/2013 10:49:56 AM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: Uncle Chip

This guy is a “long time” spokesman for the CT police.

What he says may well be true. But we’ll never know for sure. The initial reports certainly were contradictory.

And if this guy knows which side his bread is buttered on, he’ll say whatever the flaming liberal guv of CT tells him to say.

There was no obvious reason not to release the data, since the perp was dead, his mother who owned the guns was dead, and no one else was suspected. So there will be no trial.

So the refusal to release information was mainly CYA. Don’t let anything out until it’s been cleared with the top politicians. And that goes right up to Holder and Obama.


44 posted on 01/25/2013 10:50:29 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Uncle Chip

Im still waiting for a witness to come forward and say I saw Lanza shooting everyone, etc
Hard to beleive no witness lived to tell the tale...


45 posted on 01/25/2013 10:53:59 AM PST by uddaudd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: Uncle Chip
"There's no question that the AR-15 was used,. However, the Bushmaster Adam Lanza shot those children with multiple rounds and was instrumental in the only one responsible for the massacre," Blumenthal told Hearst Newspapers on Thursday after a Capitol Hill news conference. "Those children and educators might well be alive today if not for the assault weapon and high-capacity magazines Adam Lanza."

In a sane world, this is what would be said. We do not live in a sane world.

46 posted on 01/25/2013 10:54:37 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: unread
I would like to know about the guy the cops had to run down in the woods.! Who was he?? What was he doing there?? Why did he run...??

Drug dealer? Someone fleeing the sound of gunshots? Person with guilty conscience? Trespasser? Nosy Parker? Complete and total fabrication by some MSNBC journalist?

If it bothers you that much, call the police in Connecticut and ask them. Any front desk person probably won't even know anything about it at this point, but heck, we can launch a Congressional investigation if you want.

47 posted on 01/25/2013 10:55:06 AM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: jimt
when there were so many reports to the contrary after the event.

The 'many'(sic) conflicting reports were based on one erroneous news story by a local NBC station tripping over itself to try to get the first story out. The official word has been pretty consistent it was done with the rifle. Unfortunately conspiracy sites have become more mainstream making up a bunch of s*** and not being critical of that initial media story.

48 posted on 01/25/2013 10:55:06 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Gaffer
It is about banning what they can initially along with magazines they don’t like

It is all about banning whatever type of firearm owned by "the people" that would present a danger or an obstacle to the current "well regulated militia".

As you said....control.

49 posted on 01/25/2013 10:56:56 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Here once the embattled farmers stood... And fired the shot heard round the world.)
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To: Beelzebubba

They’re emboldened by their success with their “Many people wrongly assume Obama wasn’t born in America” horseclinton.


50 posted on 01/25/2013 10:57:13 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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