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Salon: Yeah, abortion takes a human life. So what?
Hotair ^ | 01/24/2013 | MARY KATHARINE HAM

Posted on 01/24/2013 10:55:31 AM PST by SeekAndFind

I had an odd moment today reading this Salon piece because within it is a paragraph or two I could have written and probably have said a dozen times:

I have friends who have referred to their abortions in terms of “scraping out a bunch of cells” and then a few years later were exultant over the pregnancies that they unhesitatingly described in terms of “the baby” and “this kid.” I know women who have been relieved at their abortions and grieved over their miscarriages. Why can’t we agree that how they felt about their pregnancies was vastly different, but that it’s pretty silly to pretend that what was growing inside of them wasn’t the same? Fetuses aren’t selective like that. They don’t qualify as human life only if they’re intended to be born.

When we try to act like a pregnancy doesn’t involve human life, we wind up drawing stupid semantic lines in the sand: first trimester abortion vs. second trimester vs. late term, dancing around the issue trying to decide if there’s a single magic moment when a fetus becomes a person. Are you human only when you’re born? Only when you’re viable outside of the womb? Are you less of a human life when you look like a tadpole than when you can suck on your thumb?

This was the exact thought process that led me to the exact opposite position. I, too, noticed a distinction between how women approached an in-utero child when they wanted the child and how they felt about it when the pregnancy was unexpected and unwanted. Logically, it made no sense to me that the mother’s disposition should change the biological disposition of the baby. Therefore, it made no sense that it should change the ethics of the situation.

But Mary Elizabeth Williams goes a whole different direction, encouraging the pro-choice side to embrace the possibility that life begins at conception, which she imagines will allow them to gain some kind of lost rhetorical ground:

Of all the diabolically clever moves the anti-choice lobby has ever pulled, surely one of the greatest has been its consistent co-opting of the word “life.” Life! Who wants to argue with that? Who wants be on the side of … not-life? That’s why the language of those who support abortion has for so long been carefully couched in other terms. While opponents of abortion eagerly describe themselves as “pro-life,” the rest of us have had to scramble around with not nearly as big-ticket words like “choice” and “reproductive freedom.” The “life” conversation is often too thorny to even broach. Yet I know that throughout my own pregnancies, I never wavered for a moment in the belief that I was carrying a human life inside of me. I believe that’s what a fetus is: a human life. And that doesn’t make me one iota less solidly pro-choice.

On one hand, I truly appreciate her honesty— both for its boldness in its literal brutality and in the same way I wish gun-control advocates would just say they want to ban all guns if they want to ban guns. Then at least we’re having an honest conversation. There’s a reason the pro-choice movement must euphemize itself to within an inch of its life— because many people don’t want to be on the side of not-life. In any other article, I’d assume “not-life” is a term meant to mock what pro-lifers believe of pro-choicers, but Williams offers such a clear argument on behalf of an actual not-life position, I’m not sure. At any rate, Williams dispenses with the euphemism, and gives us a look at a very different kind of pro-choice message— like an Honest Movie Trailer for left-leaning politicians. “So, abortion ends a life. So what? There are a lot of lives that aren’t very important.”

Speaking of drawing “stupid semantic lines” and “trying to decide if there’s a single magic moment when a fetus becomes a person,” doesn’t this position just require Williams to draw even more untenable lines where a life becomes important enough to save? That’s the argument Katrina Trinko makes:

By this same logic, isn’t infanticide also fine and dandy? After all, if we’re talking about autonomy, kids aren’t exactly independent as soon as they are born. No infant can take care of themselves. And even later on in childhood, children rely heavily on the adults in their life to provide shelter, food, and emotional support. What about kids and adults who become disabled in life? What about quadriplegics? They’re not going to be able to take care of themselves. Is it okay if we just off the lot of them? Heck, what about needy friends who seem to be falling apart unless we talk to them regularly and console them? Okay to just shoot a couple of them so that we don’t have the burden? Should we ship the grandparents that spent all their money and are now financially dependent on us to the local executioner?

Yes, if the fetus is a life — and a human being — and not a clump of cells, that makes a huge difference. No one would ask a woman to respect the rights of a clump of cells. But it is valid to ask her, difficult as it is to have an unwanted pregnancy, to realize that the death of the child — the child who was totally innocent and has done nothing except be conceived — is not an appropriate way to handle this.

So. What? I’ll hand it over to you guys.

Salon‘s on a roll today.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: abortion; salon

1 posted on 01/24/2013 10:55:36 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“What difference does it make?”


2 posted on 01/24/2013 10:58:19 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: SeekAndFind; narses

3 posted on 01/24/2013 10:59:05 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeah, Sandy Hook took human lives. So what?


4 posted on 01/24/2013 11:02:21 AM PST by dforest
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To: SeekAndFind

Of this I am certain, there will be a day when each of us will be called upon to give an accounting of our life, what we said, what we wrote, and what we taught and urged others to do.


5 posted on 01/24/2013 11:02:45 AM PST by Obadiah (America is Babylon)
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To: SeekAndFind

Abortion is murder as defined by the killer.


6 posted on 01/24/2013 11:03:52 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SeekAndFind

>“So, abortion ends a life. So what? There are a lot of lives that aren’t very important.”<

Could there be any doubt that quote was written by a sociopath?


7 posted on 01/24/2013 11:08:05 AM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: Obadiah

I agree with your thought, a thought which—in rare moments of Divinely granted sanity—causes my heart to tremble. Pride in me tries to make me think I’ll escape that accounting. “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?”


8 posted on 01/24/2013 11:11:12 AM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: Darnright

Really weird thought process.


9 posted on 01/24/2013 11:12:27 AM PST by Al_Bundy_jr
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To: avenir

Concur. It is a chilling thought.


10 posted on 01/24/2013 11:12:44 AM PST by Obadiah (America is Babylon)
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To: dforest
"Yeah, Sandy Hook took human lives. So what?"

There was an evil black rifle involved at Sandy Hook. That makes it much more important than the millions of lives lost to abortion... [/sarcasm]
11 posted on 01/24/2013 11:15:57 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: SeekAndFind

and thus you understand why our Lord calls them blind. why they can hear truth, understand it, and deny it, as they deny God, in the very same breath.


12 posted on 01/24/2013 11:27:32 AM PST by dadfly
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To: Darnright
Everyone who engages in the currently legal practice of abortion is sociopathic.

Frightening isn't it ~ makes me want to hug my guns even tighter.

13 posted on 01/24/2013 11:29:29 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind
Yes, the language is critical in this fight. And that is why I never use their euphemistic term “ pro-choice”. They are for abortion. Period. By calling them pro-choice you have ceded important ground.
14 posted on 01/24/2013 11:42:06 AM PST by Bainbridge
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To: SeekAndFind

hmmm....... yes, this lady is at least being honest, but her argument does indeed lead to the infamous slippery slope.
respect for life is the very basis of civilized society, protection of life is the govts. number one function, looks like we have some competing imperatives here.
this is a tough subject, as freedom loving people do not want to interfere in people’s personal lives; but what we have is govt. funding of abortion, tax breaks for abortion promoting orgs. a whole slew of problems.
now with ACA all of these problems will be exacerbated.


15 posted on 01/24/2013 11:44:57 AM PST by matrix1
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To: SeekAndFind

Pictures of the author required here ...


16 posted on 01/24/2013 11:59:33 AM PST by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: dartuser
Pictures of the author required here ...

Please, please, do not do this. I just ate lunch.

17 posted on 01/24/2013 12:23:39 PM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: kosciusko51

Mary Katherine Ham ... ... google her ...


18 posted on 01/24/2013 12:26:28 PM PST by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: Darnright

I read the whole piece. Her and Dr. Mengle would be great buddies

The article is chilling in its admission. The true author of this is Satan himself of this I have no doubt. His time is short...


19 posted on 01/24/2013 12:27:40 PM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: dartuser

Sorry, I thought you were talking about the author of the Salon article, not the Hotair commentary...


20 posted on 01/24/2013 12:32:10 PM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: KC_Lion

All due respect, but suggesting that the possibility that anyone may spend eternity in hell is not something that should ever be a laughing matter.

If you believe in heaven and hell, as I do, you should never wish it upon anyone, even the vile people we often hear from on the left...


21 posted on 01/24/2013 12:32:50 PM PST by NCLaw441
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To: SeekAndFind

If only a quarter of leftists were this honest,
they’d never see the halls of power ever again.


22 posted on 01/24/2013 12:34:59 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: NCLaw441
I'm not the one who said “So, abortion ends a life. So what? There are a lot of lives that aren’t very important.”

They are ones who make those vile choices and statements.

Thus they will have to pay the price for them.

23 posted on 01/24/2013 12:37:19 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: kosciusko51
Please, please, do not do this. I just ate lunch.

Uh, I think you'd be pleasantly surprised.

24 posted on 01/24/2013 12:40:15 PM PST by Marathoner (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Marathoner

Confusion on my part. See Post #20


25 posted on 01/24/2013 12:41:13 PM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: SeekAndFind
I sincerely wish that every pro-abortion person would be required to be in the room watching an abortion occur ... every gritty detail.

The cramping of the woman, the ultrasound picture of the fetus as the saline burns him, the limbs and pieces of his bloody parts being extracted and dumped in stainless steel dish, or the scissors in the skull procedure, the gasping for breath if it makes it out in one piece.

I know in my heart that would change many minds.

26 posted on 01/24/2013 12:46:24 PM PST by Lizavetta (You get what you tolerate)
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To: dadfly

Have you noticed how the media refer to a fetus only when non-Hollywood women are pregnant? If it’s a Hollywood “celebrity” then it’s a baby from the first announcement. Interesting that the father is usually a boyfried, rarely a husband.


27 posted on 01/24/2013 12:56:44 PM PST by GoldwaterChick
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To: Marathoner

Evil with a pretty face.


28 posted on 01/24/2013 12:58:11 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: KC_Lion

I agree that they will have to answer for what they said, and the statement IS vile. It’s just that laughing at the fate of people, even like these, somehow doesn’t seem very Christian.


29 posted on 01/24/2013 12:58:33 PM PST by NCLaw441
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To: SeekAndFind

Raging man-hating fang-tooth feminazis aren’t going to listen to reason.


30 posted on 01/24/2013 1:10:39 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: KC_Lion

I would bet that most of the people who believe this, also believe in “assisted suicide” and “euthanasia” — and are adamantly opposed to the death penalty for murderers and traitors. Furthermore, they also think they’re more intelligent than you, because they appreciate the “nuances” of their positions.

Any takers?


31 posted on 01/24/2013 1:17:45 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: GoldwaterChick

no hadn’t put that together, but i’m not surprised. but *everything* the main stream media does is calculated to manipulate, mislead and ultimately unify statists, leftists and liberals of all stripes via known “advertising” techniques. C. S. Lewis’, *The Screwtape Letters* is a good read on how it’s done by their leader, the master of lies himself.


32 posted on 01/24/2013 1:36:32 PM PST by dadfly
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To: kosciusko51

No problem.Didn’t see your post before I responded.


33 posted on 01/24/2013 1:40:56 PM PST by Marathoner (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA; NCLaw441
We have been down this path before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G1hPq1ARc4


34 posted on 01/24/2013 2:05:09 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: muawiyah

>Everyone who engages in the currently legal practice of abortion is sociopathic.<

The ones that are pro-gun are not only sociopathic, but schizophrenic, to boot.

“If it saves just ONE life!!”


35 posted on 01/24/2013 2:09:56 PM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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