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Judge orders eligibility attorney to stay away
WND ^ | 01/05/2013 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 01/05/2013 7:34:59 PM PST by Smokeyblue

Florida Circuit Judge Kevin Carroll, who previously cited the fictitious judge in “Miracle on 34th Street” in a ruling, now says he’s done with arguments over Barack Obama’s eligibility.

Carroll released an order today refusing to hear a request for a hearing that is allowed under state law when there are doubts about a candidate’s eligibility. And let that be the last, the judge said.

“No petitions for clarification or further rehearing will be entertained by the court,” he said in his ruling that refused to respond to a request for the state-allowed hearing in a case brought by Michael Voeltz.

“The court … finds no factual or legal cause to recede from its prior ruling that it lacks subject matter jurisdiction,” he wrote.

The attorney handling the case for Voeltz, Larry Klayman, founder of Freedom Watch, told WND if the judge doesn’t want to address the dispute, then he’ll take it to the appellate level, and that filing could occur as early as this weekend.

He noted that the judge had promised the plaintiffs time to respond to an Obama motion to dismiss the case but then dismissed it without allowing the time frame to expire.

The judge already had decided he would not hold an evidentiary hearing, which is allowed under state law in such a case. A hearing is supposed to be held when candidates’ qualifications are challenged, according a state law that allows Florida residents to challenge the eligibility of election candidates, Klayman said.

Carroll earlier had given the plaintiffs until Dec. 23 to respond to Obama’s motion to dismiss the case but then changed his mind and abruptly ordered the case dismissed several days before the deadline.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthingfordollars; certifigate; eligibility; klaymanwantsmoney; naturalborncitizen; obama; washingtongenerals
"It was the second time in eligibility cases that a judge appears to have abandoned legal fundamentals and simply ruled for Obama on no legal basis."

It's way more than the second time.

I'd have more respect for this judge if he danced around in a tutu while kissing a photo of the usurping cake-boy. Since it would amount to the same thing as his farcical ruling without all the pretense.

1 posted on 01/05/2013 7:35:12 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue; All

I think it is obvious, after all these judges refuse to even allow an Obama Eligibility case to be properly presented in court, that Barack Hussein Obama is not Eligibile to be President of the United States. Thesse judges and officials know it

If Obama truly was Eligible to be President, his attorneys would have allowed just one of these cases to go to trial without any challenge...to blow it out of court during a trial....which would permanently end any further Eligibility challenges.

They can’t do that. He is not Eligible

Still...the most disturbing thing in this whole Eligibility issue is that we have so called “Conservatives” who outright attack Eligibility people, directly aiding Obama. Unless you have the legitimate copy of Obama’s Hawaii Birth Certificate...you have no proof he is Eligible


2 posted on 01/05/2013 7:47:34 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Fiscal Conservatives are Neither)
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To: SeminoleCounty

You are so right on both points.


3 posted on 01/05/2013 7:50:53 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

Concur.


4 posted on 01/05/2013 7:52:25 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Smokeyblue

Thanks for linking to the printer friendly version of the article. Wish more FReepers would do that.


5 posted on 01/05/2013 7:57:39 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: SeminoleCounty

And when legally required to verify any information submitted for verification that could be certified as the way the event actually happened, HI state registrar Alvin Onaka’s letter of verification did not verify to AZ SOS Ken Bennett his claims (submitted specifically for verification) that Barack Hussein Obama, II, male, was born on Aug 4, 1961 in Honolulu on the island of Oahu to mother Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama. Onaka refused to verify ANY of those facts.

He refused to verify that the White House image is a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file.”

And he refused to verify to KS SOS Kris Kobach that the information contained in the WH image is “identical to” the information contained in the original record.

The AZ request and response can be seen at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/bennett-request-and-response.pdf and the KS request and response can be seen at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/kansas-verification.pdf

Onaka did verify that the claims on the WH image are also claimed on the record at the HDOH. The only lawful reason not to verify those claims as true is if they are claimed on a record that is legally non-valid.

IOW, Onaka has indirectly confirmed that he cannot verify any birth facts for Obama because Obama’s HI BC is legally non-valid, which is the reason why Obama’s people had to forge both the shorr-form and the long-form: to hide the non-validity of the record, since the original and any BC copy (including the short-forms/abbreviated copies) has to be stamped with LATE and/or ALTERED stamps.

This judge knew darn good and well that he couldn’t allow any kind of evidentiary hearing because Klayman knows what Onaka confirmed. The judge has to silence Klayman before that legal fact is admitted to any court.

The question is what this judge was threatened with, to throw the rule of law overboard like this.


6 posted on 01/05/2013 8:00:26 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

All very good points. The Onaka comments and actions are so telling

And, what threat or bribe was made to this judge for him to rule in such a way in this Florida case....especially when his latest ruling conflicted with his first ruling?

As these judge’s rulings become more and more bizarre....I am beginning to think that it is bribery, and not threats, that are making these judges act this way.


7 posted on 01/05/2013 8:06:26 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Fiscal Conservatives are Neither)
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To: SeminoleCounty; LucyT
we have so called “Conservatives” who outright attack Eligibility people, directly aiding Obama.

In my own few and far between criticisms I have never "outright attacked" people themselves but their poorly supported arguments.

But I have also attacked so-called conservatives on the previous thread who claim that eligibility is the last chance to stop gun control and amnesty. That is the most damaging kind of BS put forth because our chances to stop amnesty, gun control and other attacks on America are through strengthening the political position of conservative and somewhat conservative politicians and not by litmus testing or pressuring them on this decidedly fringe issue.

8 posted on 01/05/2013 8:10:56 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: butterdezillion

CHALLENGES TO THE COURT BEFORE PROCEEDINGS CAN START

1. A. Your Honor and the prosecutor have taken oaths of office to support and uphold the Constitution of the united States of America and that of this state. Is that correct?

B. Pursuant to your oaths, you are required to abide by those oaths, in the performance of your official duties, including those before this Honorable Court. Is that correct?

2. I, YOUR NAME HERE, hereby notify this Honorable Court that I am a living, breathing, natural-born American Citizen, with, and claiming, all Rights guaranteed to me in the federal and state Constitutions, and with my name properly spelled in upper and lower case letters, not as it appears on the court documents.

Is there any objection to what I just stated?

3. This court abides by all the powers of and Rights guaranteed to American Citizens in the federal and state Constitutions, including due process of law. Is that correct?

4. I am presumed innocent of all aspects of the alleged charges, presumptions and assumptions in, by and of this court, unless proven guilty by a well-informed jury of my peers, beyond a reasonable doubt, based solely on verified evidence and proof. Is that correct?

5. A. “Proof” consists of verified and demonstrated evidence, and not opinion, especially opinion unsupported by fact, law and evidence. Is that correct?

B. “Beyond a reasonable doubt” consists solely of decisions and verdicts from a well-informed jury of my peers based entirely on proof that absolutely and conclusively confirms guilt, without any reservations or questions, whatsoever, from the jury. Is that correct?

6. Opinion from any witness or prosecuting attorney unsupported and unverified by fact, law and proven evidence is simply opinion, and opinion, as previously established, is not proof or factual evidence. Is that correct?

7. A. Since I am guaranteed a fair and impartial trial, how is that possible when you, the presiding judge, the prosecuting attorney and all the witnesses against me work for and are paid by the state that is the plaintiff in this case, and my opponent? In this situation, it is impossible for me to have a fair trial. Is that correct?

B. Further, any data used against me is obtained from sources who, are also paid by the state, the same plaintiff against me. At minimum, conflict of interest takes place.

8. Since I am presumed innocent of the charges and all aspects, presumptions and assumptions of those charges and this court, I have challenged the jurisdiction of this court, which this court has not proven, on the public record. Therefore, since I am presumed innocent of all aspects of the charges and presumptions of the court, and since jurisdiction has not been proven, jurisdiction is simply a presumption of this court, of which I am presumed innocent. Furthermore, no official Oath of Office can be located anywhere, nor has one been put on the public record. Therefore, I move for dismissal of all charges and/or warrants for lack of jurisdiction. Pursuant to the foregoing, and to numerous federal and Supreme Court rulings, this case must be dismissed and any warrant recalled, with full prejudice, and I hereby move for dismissal of all charges and this case, with full prejudice.

Failure to respond to this formal written notice, dated January 23, 2007, within 30 days in written format with Proof of Service to the undersigned, constitutes and validates your fraud and failure to honor your Oath of Office. Furthermore, all said charges, judgments, warrants and/or claims against YOUR NAME HERE, is null and void, without force or effect or lawful power. Any further harassment of YOUR NAME HERE by this court or any of its officers will be construed as intentional harm, with malice and the conscious intent of inflicting both physical and mental harm to the defendant-in-error in this matter. Copies of this document along with the attached documents will be sent to the Office of Judicial Administrations, Washington DC in the event that justice is not reached.

Respectfully submitted,
All Rights Reserved
________________________________
YOUR NAME HERE, American Citizen


9 posted on 01/05/2013 8:11:45 PM PST by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: butterdezillion

A freeper or Tea Party member needs to become a legal judge somewhere, accept the case and then wait and see just exactly what the threat is, by who and to be exposed publicly.


10 posted on 01/05/2013 8:13:07 PM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: SeminoleCounty

......”Still...the most disturbing thing in this whole Eligibility issue is that we have so called “Conservatives” who outright attack Eligibility people, directly aiding Obama. Unless you have the legitimate copy of Obama’s Hawaii Birth Certificate...you have no proof he is Eligible”.....right you are. because they won’t make the argument, it takes away our ability to tell people on the street. it’s the one thing that could reverse all this, eligibility, but we’re left high & dry until the 2,500 assault vehicles with the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition, come for us.


11 posted on 01/05/2013 8:14:52 PM PST by stickywillie
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To: SeminoleCounty

Now we know why 0bama has spent so much money defending his eligibility.. He bribes judges like this one.


12 posted on 01/05/2013 8:15:00 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Besides the BC problem discovery would unseal Barry’s college records, selective service and passport records which I’m sure would reveal his ineligiblity. Otherwise he would not have sealed his records.

How sad is it when the hospital you were supposedly born in will not admit it because they have no record of him or his mother ever being there?


13 posted on 01/05/2013 8:23:33 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Smokeyblue

to date... NO documentation proving eligibility for 0bama has EVER been OFFICIALLY submitted anywhere

if they’re so convinced he’s eligible... HAVE THEM REQUIRE HIM TO SUBMIT THE DOCUMENTATION OFFICIALLY

we all know he will never do it

tell them if they won’t even have the documents submitted... their statements are meaningless


14 posted on 01/05/2013 8:25:04 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Smokeyblue; butterdezillion; All

” - - - then he’ll take it to the appellate level - - - “

Go Klayman! Keep the legal pressure on as no one has ever deserved to thrown out of office more so than B. Hussein Obama, the Foreign Impostor.


15 posted on 01/05/2013 8:38:22 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Eye of Unk

Is Gary Kreep a judge now? I know there was one eligibility lawyer who was elected to a position, and I thought it was judge.


16 posted on 01/05/2013 8:45:24 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
The letter in your second link from KS SOS to HI asks for verification of "3. The information contained in the "Certificate of Live Birth" published at [WH web address 1] and reviewed by you on the date of your verification, a copy of which is attached to this request, is identical to the information contained in the original Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Hussein Obama, II on file with the State of Hawaii Department of Health."

The reply in the Onaka verification letters states: "3. The information contained in the "Certificate of Live Birth" published at [WH web address 2] and reviewed by me on the date of this verification, a copy of which is attached to your request, matches the information contained in the original Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Hussein Obama, II on file with the State of Hawaii Department of Health."

i have bolded one difference in the request for verification and the verification reply. In the request the KS SoS asks if the information is "identical" and the verification reply says it "matches". The second difference is that the KS SoS gives the web address of http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf and the HI reply gives the address of http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate which is a web page containing two links to the web address given by the KS SoS along with a flash program which appears to show the same image as the PDF but impossible for me to know because I can't save the image within the flash program to compare byte by byte.

My question for you is where does this quoted text come from? He refused to verify that the White House image is a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file.”

17 posted on 01/05/2013 8:56:38 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: butterdezillion

Never mind. I see that text you quoted is from the Bennett letter.


18 posted on 01/05/2013 9:05:43 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Smokeyblue; JDoutrider
When the collusive judges are tried in their own Courts, that's when JUSTICE will be rendered once again for the people.


19 posted on 01/05/2013 9:07:58 PM PST by B4Ranch (Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered ...)
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To: SeminoleCounty

It’s obvious he is not eligible. He has spent so much money inventing these lies and keeping them from the public.


20 posted on 01/05/2013 9:14:12 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: B4Ranch
Hey wait a minute! He IS eligible! He's eligible for DEPORTATION!
21 posted on 01/05/2013 11:13:21 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: sten
to date... NO documentation proving eligibility for 0bama has EVER been OFFICIALLY submitted anywhere

I suspect no document proving eligibility for any previous president has been filed anywhere, as there is no provision in federal or state law requiring such filing, or indeed providing a place to file it.

Youse guys had four years to get - one - of the 57 states to pass a law requiring defined evidence of eligibility to be filed before a candidate goes on the ballot.

Not one state did so. This seems to indicate a general absence of public support for your position.

I also strongly oppose inserting the judiciary into this issue. Excessive power of the judges is the greatest single threat to our Constitution, and making them a court of appeal with power to overturn elections is a really, really bad idea.

Also, do we really want Joe Biden for President?

22 posted on 01/05/2013 11:20:41 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

If a candidate seeks the presidency, it is his responsibility to present valid documents to include a birth certificate which is not a forgery, a social security card which is not stolen, and a selective service card which is not forged. All his records have been found and kept hidden by Perkins Coie Law Firm by Obama’s lawyer Bauer. Pelosi had to certify he was eligible without any proof. She had to make two forms. One with “Constitutionl” on it and the other without. So far, every judge has been corrupted or threatened since none will move the cases along.

The Senate Judiciary under Hillary, Coburn, Obama, and others did a full investigation of McCain and found his documents were valid. They did not even check for Obama’s records re eligibility. In fact, on the resolution, Obama was allowed to add that others once thought ineligible were actually eligible (Which was a lie.)


23 posted on 01/06/2013 1:12:55 AM PST by charlie72
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To: charlie72

I am astonished that Justice Clarence Thomas won’t recommend hearing the case.


24 posted on 01/06/2013 2:24:47 AM PST by eCSMaster (Palin was correct!)
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To: phockthis

Has that been used?

If so what was the outcome?


25 posted on 01/06/2013 3:49:37 AM PST by ExGeeEye (I'll give y'all 90 days for the wounds to heal; then we start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Or threatens them. This guy probably got the 3 am call.


26 posted on 01/06/2013 4:52:48 AM PST by goldi
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Or threatens them. This guy probably got the 3 am call.


27 posted on 01/06/2013 4:53:14 AM PST by goldi
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To: Sherman Logan

most recently, John McCain was required to provide all data proving eligibility... and the supreme court ruled he was.

as for who is supposed to check, that would be the state division of elections, as you are supposed to be eligible to assume office to even be on the ballot.

of course there is no penalty for not checking... so the supervisors of elections just fail to do their job, hoping all goes well.

of course, if the person that wins isn’t eligible... the supervisor would have helped perpetuate election fraud... which does have a penalty

therefore, we should probability go after the various supervisors of elections in the various states if they did not collect the required documentation before putting the names on the ballot.


28 posted on 01/06/2013 5:08:31 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: ExGeeEye; butterdezillion

Yes, all of this is real and it is all backed by Supreme Court decisions as you will see as you read it but you need to understand WHY it works so a judge can’t trick you when you are in court.

Remember this saying while growing up:

‘Ignorance of the law is no excuse”.

So why didn’t they teach us anything about the law while growing up?


Start by reading this whole page to get a summerized view, I will post more detailed info afterwards.
http://www.landrights.com/perusal%20stuff.htm


For a more detailed explanation, start by reading this:

Hi Alfred, I was just reading your post on the difference between “unalienable” and “inalienable”. I found it quite interesting.

I was also reading an article about President Obama omitting “Creator” when quoting the Declaration (http://www.wnd.com/index.phpfa=PAGE.view&pageId=237349) when I noticed that he repeatedly uses “inalienable”. The omission of the one word and the incorrect usage of the other in numerous instances can only be intentional. He’s very consistent about it. I was curious about your thoughts on this.

Matt At the time, I responded briefly. However, here’s an expanded version of my reply:

In the context of American history, the terms “Creator” and “unalienable Rights” appear first and most famously in our “Declaration of Independence” of July 4th, A.D. 1776. There, in its second sentence, theDeclaration offers the single most radical statement of truth in at least 2,000 years of Western political thought:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

Prior to our Declaration, the nations of the western world were governed by monarchies where only one man—the king—was deemed to be sovereign. The king was sovereign because he, and he alone, was deemed to have been directly endowed by the God of the Bible (the earthly king’s “Creator”) with the “divine right of kings”. That endowment of God-given rights did not attach as a result of an election or human appointment. That endowment attached as the result of a “coronation ceremony” that took place in the highest church within the nation.

finish the story here:
http://adask.wordpress.com/2010/12/16/god-given-unalienable-rights-individual-sovereignty/


Before you read this next part, ask yourself this question:

If being born on American soil makes you an American citizen, why do they need a statute to proclaim you as a US citizen?

Also remember that words have meaning, especially in law.

Fourteenth Amendment explained / Eric Williams

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/23398430/060225-—Eric-Williams-Show-—Excerpt

By shear coincidence, “The Act of 1871’ incorporated the 10 square miles known as Washington DC into a PRIVATE CORPORATION that we call “The United States of America”.


Now before you decide this is all crap, read what the Supreme court has to say about ‘The Three United States’.

http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/pdf/chapter4.pdf


If you have made it this far, I’m sure you have several more questions so I will leave you with this to read:

THE UCC CONNECTION
http://freedom-school.com/the-ucc-connection.html


If you want more, freepmail me.


29 posted on 01/06/2013 7:56:16 AM PST by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: B4Ranch

The born-in-Kenya information discovered last year in his literary agency bio could ONLY have come from Obama and it should have been enough to sink him. Unfortunately the government-controlled media have such a vested interest in protecting this man it no longer mattered what was revealed. I'm afraid it's too late to save our corrupt government but perhaps the true story can be explored by future historians.

30 posted on 01/06/2013 10:23:10 AM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Menehune56

An email I recv’d today;

Please take a moment to digest this provocative article. It is far and away the most succinct and thoughtful explanation of how our nation is changing. The article appeared in The Israel National News, and is directed to Jewish readership. 70% of American Jews vote as Democrats. The Rabbi has some interesting comments in that regard.

Rabbi Steven Pruzansky is the spiritual leader of Congregation Bnai Yeshurun in Teaneck, New Jersey.

The most charitable way of explaining the election results of 2012 is that Americans voted for the status quo – for the incumbent President and for a divided Congress. They must enjoy gridlock, partisanship, incompetence, economic stagnation an avoidance of responsibility. And fewer people voted.

But as we awake from the nightmare, it is important to eschew the facile explanations for the Romney defeat that will prevail among the chattering classes. Romney did not lose because of the effects of Hurricane Sandy that devastated this area, nor did he lose because he ran a poor campaign, nor did he lose because the Republicans could have chosen better candidates, nor did he lose because Obama benefited from a slight uptick in the economy due to the business cycle.

Romney lost because he didn’t get enough votes to win.

That might seem obvious, but not for the obvious reasons. Romney lost because the conservative virtues – the traditional American virtues – of liberty, hard work, free enterprise, private initiative and aspirations to moral greatness – no longer inspire or animate a majority of the electorate.

The simplest reason why Romney lost was because it is impossible to compete against free stuff.

Every businessman knows this; that is why the “loss leader” or the giveaway is such a powerful marketing tool. Obama’s America is one in which free stuff is given away: the adults among the 47,000,000 on food stamps clearly recognized for whom they should vote, and so they did, by the tens of millions; those who – courtesy of Obama – receive two full years of unemployment benefits (which, of course, both disincentivizes looking for work and also motivates people to work off the books while collecting their windfall) surely know for whom to vote. The lure of free stuff is irresistible.

The defining moment of the whole campaign was the revelation of the secretly-recorded video in which Romney acknowledged the difficulty of winning an election in which “47% of the people” start off against him because they pay no taxes and just receive money – “free stuff” – from the government.

Almost half of the population has no skin in the game – they don’t care about high taxes, promoting business, or creating jobs, nor do they care that the money for their free stuff is being borrowed from their children and from the Chinese.
They just want the free stuff that comes their way at someone else’s expense.

In the end, that 47% leaves very little margin for error for any Republican, and does not bode well for the future.

It is impossible to imagine a conservative candidate winning against such overwhelming odds. People do vote their pocketbooks. In essence, the people vote for a Congress who will not raise their taxes, and for a President who will give them free stuff, never mind who has to pay for it.

That engenders the second reason why Romney lost: the inescapable conclusion that the electorate is ignorant and uninformed. Indeed, it does not pay to be an informed voter, because most other voters – the clear majority – are unintelligent and easily swayed by emotion and raw populism.

That is the indelicate way of saying that too many people vote with their hearts and not their heads. That is why Obama did not have to produce a second term agenda, or even defend his first-term record. He needed only to portray Mitt Romney as a rapacious capitalist who throws elderly women over a cliff, when he is not just snatching away their cancer medication, while starving the poor and cutting taxes for the rich.

During his 1956 presidential campaign, a woman called out to Adlai Stevenson: “Senator, you have the vote of every thinking person!” Stevenson called back: “That’s not enough, madam, we need a majority!” Truer words were never spoken.

Obama could get away with saying that “Romney wants the rich to play by a different set of rules” – without ever defining what those different rules were; with saying that the “rich should pay their fair share” – without ever defining what a “fair share” is; with saying that Romney wants the poor, elderly and sick to “fend for themselves” – without even acknowledging that all these government programs are going bankrupt, their current insolvency only papered over by deficit spending.

Similarly, Obama (or his surrogates) could hint to blacks that a Romney victory would lead them back into chains and proclaim to women that their abortions and birth control would be taken away. He could appeal to Hispanics that Romney would have them all arrested and shipped to Mexico and unabashedly state that he will not enforce the current immigration laws.

He could espouse the furtherance of the incestuous relationship between governments and unions – in which politicians ply the unions with public money, in exchange for which the unions provide the politicians with votes, in exchange for which the politicians provide more money and the unions provide more votes, etc., even though the money is gone.

Obama also knows that the electorate has changed – that whites will soon be a minority in America (they’re already a minority in California) and that the new immigrants to the US are primarily from the Third World and do not share the traditional American values that attracted immigrants in the 19th and 20th centuries. It is a different world, and a different America. Obama is part of that America, knows it, and knows how to tap into it. That is why he won.

Obama also proved again that negative advertising works, invective sells, and harsh personal attacks succeed. That Romney never engaged in such diatribes points to his essential goodness as a person; his “negative ads” were simple facts, never personal abuse – facts about high unemployment, lower take-home pay, a loss of American power and prestige abroad, a lack of leadership, etc. As a politician, though, Romney failed because he did not embrace the devil’s bargain of making unsustainable promises.

It turned out that it was not possible for Romney and Ryan – people of substance, depth and ideas – to compete with the shallow populism and platitudes of their opponents. Obama mastered the politics of envy – of class warfare – never reaching out to Americans as such but to individual groups, and cobbling together a winning majority from these minority groups.

If an Obama could not be defeated – with his record and his vision of America, in which free stuff seduces voters – it is hard to envision any change in the future.

The road to Hillary Clinton in 2016 and to a European-socialist economy – those very economies that are collapsing today in Europe – is paved.

For Jews, mostly assimilated anyway and staunch Democrats, the results demonstrate again that liberalism is their Torah. Almost 70% voted for a president widely perceived by Israelis and most committed Jews as hostile to Israel. They voted to secure Obama’s future at America’s expense and at Israel’s expense – in effect, preferring Obama to Netanyahu by a wide margin.

A dangerous time is ahead. Under present circumstances, it is inconceivable that the US will take any aggressive action against Iran and will more likely thwart any Israeli initiative. The US will preach the importance of negotiations up until the production of the first Iranian nuclear weapon – and then state that the world must learn to live with this new reality.

But this election should be a wake-up call to Jews. There is no permanent empire, nor is there is an enduring haven for Jews anywhere in the exile. The American empire began to decline in 2007, and the deterioration has been exacerbated in the last five years. This election only hastens that decline. Society is permeated with sloth, greed, envy and materialistic excess.

It has lost its moorings and its moral foundations..

The takers outnumber the givers, and that will only increase in years to come.

The “Occupy” riots across this country in the last two years were mere dress rehearsals for what lies ahead – years of unrest sparked by the increasing discontent of the unsuccessful who want to seize the fruits and the bounty of the successful, and do not appreciate the slow pace of redistribution.

If this election proves one thing, it is that the Old America is gone.

And, sad for the World, it is not coming back.


31 posted on 01/06/2013 3:42:09 PM PST by B4Ranch (Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered ...)
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To: butterdezillion
Onaka has indirectly confirmed that he cannot verify any birth facts for Obama because Obama’s HI BC is legally non-valid, which is the reason why Obama’s people had to forge both the shorr-form and the long-form:

Not to fear the Speaker of the House has probably already assigned the investigation to his top henchmen. The Constitution can not be ignored, abused and tromped on. If only we had a Speaker and a Constitution.

32 posted on 01/06/2013 3:45:47 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: palmer
somewhat conservative politicians and not by litmus testing or pressuring them on this decidedly fringe issue.

How is that working out for us? Romney was your dream candidate according to this post. He had conviction on every social issue that were completely flexible.

33 posted on 01/06/2013 3:49:03 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: B4Ranch

Well said even if not very comforting, thanks.


34 posted on 01/06/2013 4:07:38 PM PST by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: itsahoot
Would we have done better with Donald Trump since he passed the litmus test of rejecting Obama's eligibility?

Obviously Romney sucked in many ways, but accepting Obama's eligibility did not sink his candidacy.

35 posted on 01/06/2013 6:28:26 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Eye of Unk; Congressman Billybob

I thought we had one...usn JAG, or jagofficer, navyjag, something like that...


36 posted on 01/07/2013 5:19:51 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: palmer
sucked in many ways, but accepting Obama's eligibility did not sink his candidacy.

No but promoting the idea that Obama was a nice man that was just in over his head, did.

We lost because no one wanted to define who and what the president is. Eligibility is part of that description.

We have placed an enemy of our Republic in charge and all we had to say was we need to cut taxes.

I shouted here that it was not about the economy and that would be a losing strategy and sure enough it was.

37 posted on 01/07/2013 9:19:53 AM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: itsahoot
We lost because no one wanted to define who and what the president is. Eligibility is part of that description.

My description: he is a born and bred socialist and community activist who was picked by foreign powers who want to weaken America,

38 posted on 01/07/2013 1:31:11 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: palmer

Yep!


39 posted on 01/07/2013 5:03:18 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: phockthis; ExGeeEye; butterdezillion

I don’t think its a good idea to mix “sovereign citizen” ploys in with the ineligibility exposure effort.

“Sovereign citizen” ploys didn’t work back in 1992, and they won’t work 20 years later....


40 posted on 01/09/2013 10:54:08 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Triple; Lady Jag

LadyJag is a freeper :)


41 posted on 01/09/2013 11:01:25 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Eye of Unk; jagusafr

Ok - If I recall correctly - Jagusafr is who you may want to talk to...

Jag - meet unk...Unk this is jag

Good luck to you both.


42 posted on 01/10/2013 12:53:30 PM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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