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Russia's Kalashnikov in Intensive Care: Reports
AFP ^ | Dmitry Zaks

Posted on 12/26/2012 4:49:47 PM PST by nickcarraway

Russia's legendary rifle-designer Mikhail Kalashnikov was recovering in stable condition in intensive care Tuesday after being hospitalised with general fatigue, reports said.

An aide to the 93-year-old father of the AK-47 said Kalashnikov had been having heart problems and feeling poorly since March.

"When I visited him at home last week, he told me that nothing seemed to hurt, but that he simply had no strength left," assistant Nikolai Shklyayev told the RIA Novosti news agency.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: ak47; enemyoftheusa; mikhailkalashnikov; russia

1 posted on 12/26/2012 4:49:58 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

One of the greatest engineers of all time.


2 posted on 12/26/2012 4:54:45 PM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: nickcarraway

That dude should be richer than Bill Gates.


3 posted on 12/26/2012 4:56:10 PM PST by Husker24
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To: nickcarraway
An aide to the 93-year-old father of the AK-47 said Kalashnikov had been having heart problems and feeling poorly since March.

If he die, it was the grammar police what done him in ...

4 posted on 12/26/2012 4:57:28 PM PST by x
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To: null and void

He wasn’t and engineer, just a simple mechanic with an incredible talent for making things.


5 posted on 12/26/2012 5:14:21 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The one thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that crminals will always get them.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"...He wasn’t and engineer, just a simple mechanic with an incredible talent for making things...."

Really hard to draw the line, isn't it...? Perhaps not an engineer by education/training...but certainly a designer with a vision. What are engineers after all if not designers with vision.

6 posted on 12/26/2012 5:23:58 PM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: All

His t-shirt should read “I made the world’s most prolific rifle and I’ll got was this lousy t-shirt!!!”


7 posted on 12/26/2012 5:28:37 PM PST by Kolath
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To: nickcarraway

Tnx for the info. I’d’ve bet good money he was already dead.


8 posted on 12/26/2012 5:32:47 PM PST by VoiceOfBruck (Survival: sprinkle garlic powder on the fat guy and run!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Do you happen to know the origin of the word “engineer”?

Hint: It predates any engine depending on combustion, internal or external, by centuries...


9 posted on 12/26/2012 5:34:17 PM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: Victor

He holds an advanced degree of Doctor of Technical Sciences.

wiki= source...

Doctor; not enginr


10 posted on 12/26/2012 5:37:31 PM PST by sasquatch
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To: null and void

clever critter


11 posted on 12/26/2012 5:43:05 PM PST by sasquatch
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To: nickcarraway
A clever mechanic who re-worked the German MP-44.
12 posted on 12/26/2012 5:45:17 PM PST by Lockbar (Quality factory loaded ammunition ---- The New Gold)
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To: Lockbar

http://transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.com/2009/02/michail-kalashnikov-admits-german-help.html


13 posted on 12/26/2012 5:53:06 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Victor
>>He wasn’t and engineer, just a simple mechanic with an incredible talent for making things....”<<

No formal education in engineering?

Proof positive brilliant minds are not found in a piece of paper.

14 posted on 12/26/2012 6:04:11 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: tumblindice

I wish Mick had left the bolt handle on the left side of the receiver.
Anyone with an AK, the time, money and inclination, fyi:
http://wasr-10.com/RCS


15 posted on 12/26/2012 6:05:00 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Lockbar

Bingo; the Russians got there hands on a Nazi Sturmgewehr - 44 (the first assault rifle ever developed) and reworked it accordingly, three years later.


16 posted on 12/26/2012 6:19:56 PM PST by john drake
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To: tumblindice
"I wish Mick had left the bolt handle on the left side of the receiver."

It would have been easier for Western shooters but the Russians did it for a reason. Which side is the bolt rifles handle...on the right. This keeps things simple. The bolt closed also keeps it easy. Loading? Pull the handle. Reload? Pull the handle. Malfunction? Pull the handle. We make things more difficult and call it progress in the West.

I'm not a fan of anyone screwing around with the AK platform. You won't improve it because it is simple, reliable, and idiot proof. Even a guy stuck in the 7th Century can build and operate it. I think the AK will also be here much longer than the M-16.

17 posted on 12/26/2012 6:25:56 PM PST by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: john drake; Lockbar

Actually, the AK has more in common with American designs, than German. For example, the AK’s trigger is similar to that of the Garand rifle. Also, it’s bolt is similar to the Garand’s and the M1 Carbine’s. Basically, Mikey T. was a more sophisticated borrowed.


18 posted on 12/26/2012 8:05:42 PM PST by Jacob Kell
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To: null and void

Overrated. Schmeisser was on the design team, but Kalashnikov was head for political purposes.


19 posted on 12/27/2012 2:01:17 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: john drake

Soviets had similar platforms long before WWII including fully-auto rifles (AVS-36). It has little to none in common with Sturmgewehr design-wise.

I think German rifle itself was inspired Soviet designs.

The real innovation in Sturmgevehr was a use of intermediate cartridge. It made fully-auto rifle any practical for the first time and Kalashnikov utilized this trend in a simple refined design.

It took many years for US military to get an idea.

M-14 has failed with US military the same way similar AVS-36 has failed and was finally rejected by the Red Army in mid-30s.


20 posted on 12/27/2012 2:11:39 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

Thanks for the complete history, I wasn’t aware it was as lengthy as that.


21 posted on 12/27/2012 6:01:21 AM PST by john drake
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To: Jacob Kell

Thanks for the clarification; I wasn’t aware it was a Frankenstein=like creation. No pun intended.


22 posted on 12/27/2012 6:02:43 AM PST by john drake
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To: donmeaker
Edison didn't personally test all 10,000 lightbulb filament candidates himself.

(The secret wasn't the filament anyway, it was the vacuum)...

23 posted on 12/27/2012 8:39:02 AM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: john drake

Yep, by 1941 Germans had no idea about semi-auto rifle. They only caught an idea as they started to capture AVSs and SVTs from Russians. They had put captured Russian semi and full-autos into service before they reverse engineered it into various “Gewehrs” including Stg-44 which was a first original design, thus heavivy inspired by the Soviets with the exception of their unique shorter cartridge started an assault rifles as we know it.

Unfortunately, US has lagged behing both Germans and Russians for decades. M-14 is simply a conceptual copy of Soviet AVS-36 built 20 years earlier.


24 posted on 12/27/2012 9:41:14 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: john drake

Yep, by 1941 Germans had no idea about semi-auto rifle. They only caught an idea as they started to capture AVSs and SVTs from Russians. They had put captured Russian semi and full-autos into service before they reverse engineered it into various “Gewehrs” including Stg-44 which was a first original design, thus heavivy inspired by the Soviets with the exception of their unique shorter cartridge started an assault rifles as we know it.

Unfortunately, US has lagged behing both Germans and Russians for decades. M-14 is simply a conceptual copy of Soviet AVS-36 built 20 years earlier.


25 posted on 12/27/2012 9:41:39 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: null and void

Edison didn’t invent the light bulb. If you think he did, then that would be evidence that he is also overrated.


26 posted on 12/27/2012 10:42:12 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: cunning_fish

Actually the M-1 Carbine used an intermediate cartridge before the Sturmgewehr. The .30 Carbine is 7.62 x 33mm by comparison the STG-43/44 used a 7.92 x 33mm. Both used the same diameter bullet as the cartridge used by ‘big brother’ guns because bullet manufacture uses precise diameter lead wire as an intermediate step, and both countries were unwilling to tamper with anything that would reduce high production rates.

So, yes, the US was able to get a good idea, and put it into service before the Germans.


27 posted on 12/27/2012 10:48:10 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

His contribution to electric lighting was much the same as Kalashnikov’s was to automatic rifles, he made them cheap, reliable, effective and ubiquitous.


28 posted on 12/27/2012 10:48:54 AM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: null and void

Kind of like where the M-1 Carbine had been 4 years previously....


29 posted on 12/27/2012 11:49:36 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: john drake

With Hugo Schmeisser on the design team of the AK-47...


30 posted on 12/27/2012 11:51:15 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: cunning_fish

Schmeisser invented the M-18 submachine gun for WWI assault groups.

German, between the wars, focused on infantry using machine guns at long range, and assault groups with submachine guns at short range, with the rifle being a self defense mechanism for ammunition carriers. The K-98 was fine for that.

German squads had tremendous firepower. The firepower was highly concentrated in the few men who serviced the General purpose machine gun. The machine gun teams were less mobile, but the assault squads compensated.

US squads with BAR and M-1 had less firepower, but the firepower was better distributed. US MGs were specialized, with the .50 HMG having longer range than the Germans, the .30 MMG having better sustained fire, and the BAR having higher mobility.

UK squads with BREN and Enfield were intermediate between the two.

Soviets had fewer machineguns, but more PPSh armed assault squads, backed up with Rifle Infantry with Mosin Nagants.

The preferred approach to the German infantry used their predictability against them. One would attempt to shoot down the assault squads at long range, to attack the machine gun teams by using mobile assaults with suppressive fire, and to use high rates of fire against the few rifle armed ammunition carriers.

The STG-43 gave the Germans a weapon that would have longer range than a MP-40, higher rate of fire than Mauser 98K, and, better mobility than an MG-42. That made the Germans less predictable. Still they lost 18 to 1 when fighting US 2nd Infantry in the Bulge battles. M-1s with BARs and .30 Brownings are a pretty tough combination.


31 posted on 12/27/2012 12:07:24 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: nickcarraway

God speed, Dr. Kalashnikov. Thank you.


32 posted on 12/27/2012 12:11:06 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: donmeaker
Count the number of M-1's in use today, compare to the number of AK-47s and get back to me.

Hint: the one that is better engineered for its actual end use has more exemplars in the field.

Second hint: engineering a useful product is, in the final analysis, more important than inventing any product that doesn't satisfy the needs of the consumer.

Engineering isn't always discovery or invention, although those can be important parts of the process. The ultimate tests of engineering are Does it work so well the user never thinks about it? and Can everyone who wants one afford one?

The AK design passes those tests with flying colors.

33 posted on 12/27/2012 12:31:34 PM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: x

Maybe his hands hurt, and it’s tough to feel with his fingers.


34 posted on 12/27/2012 12:37:02 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: null and void

There are other aspects besides performance. The AK-47 was subsidized to the tune of 25 million of them given away.

The AK-47 failed when it first came out. The stamped metal technology was ‘not ready for prime time’ in Soviet Union. The Soviet Union selected the SKS as superior.

They went back to milled receivers, but that made it expensive. Eventually they got the stamped receivers right. Schmeisser had a lot to do with that.

M-1 carbines had over 6 million made during WWII. They are still in production today. Copies (Mini-14) in other calibers are also made, and are sold for a lot more than AK-47 clones. If it costs twice as much, then that is an argument that it may just be better, unless you think a volkswagen is superior to a porche.


35 posted on 12/27/2012 4:09:12 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: null and void

So Swan invented the light bulb, Westinghouse provides the power and Edison with his DC power provides....

hype


36 posted on 12/27/2012 4:12:08 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

Pretty much. Welcome to the real world.


37 posted on 12/27/2012 6:20:29 PM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: donmeaker

“If something costs twice as much...”

In the case of the AK vs. the Mini-14 it would be the labor costs.

And FWIW we own an example of each; th Mini-14, an M1A, a Romanian WASR AK clone, an M1 Carbine, and a couple of AR pattern rifles. It is our considered opinion that of all of them of that if the SHTF the AK patterns are wht is coming out of our safe first.

It is quite simply the best “out of the box” fighting rifle ever designed bar none.

As I said before, God speed Dr. Kalashnikov. And thank you.


38 posted on 12/27/2012 6:53:05 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: nickcarraway

We’re suddenly losing a lot of greats lately.


39 posted on 12/27/2012 6:54:17 PM PST by Monty22002
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To: donmeaker

Actually, Kalashnikov did indeed design the prototype, but he had a team of designers and engineers who helped develop it into a working weapon, and Schmeisser may have been one.


40 posted on 12/27/2012 8:11:30 PM PST by Jacob Kell
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To: donmeaker

M-1 is a semi-auto isn’t it?
You haven’t got my idea. Intermediate cartridge was alive and well before WWII.
It was Germans who first used it into a fully auto rifle making it any practical for the first time and it was Kalashnikov who made first standard issue assault rifle using that idea.
Fully auto weapons you mentioned were around for a long time.
Most of they aren’t actually a rifles.


41 posted on 12/27/2012 10:47:05 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Lockbar

Exactly right !!

German technology plagerized.

Russian military might is the result of western innovation.


42 posted on 12/28/2012 3:19:45 AM PST by MountainYankee
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To: cunning_fish

Of course the intermediate cartridge was alive and well before WWII. The .30 Carbine cartridge is an example. So is the 7.92x33 used in the MP-43. Of course the M43 Soviet cartridge (7.62x39) would not be an example of a cartridge used before WWII. The Mannlicher Carcano and Swiss Mausers used a 6.5, the Marines used a Lee Rifle in 6mm about the time of the Boxer Rebellion. The Spanish Mauser used against the US in Cuba was 7mm.

The Soviet M43 Cartridge has a muzzle velocity of about 2300 feet per second. That is nearly the same as the US .30 Krag (aka .30/40)

The M-1 Carbine was fielded by the US and the Germans captured some of them in 1942.

Germany, fielded their first prototypes of MP-43 in 1943.

The M-2 Carbine is fully automatic. Looks like the M-1, just as the M-14 looks like Springfield Armory’s M-1A. Difference is the selector switch.


43 posted on 12/28/2012 8:51:50 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: john drake

The Safety on it was borrowed from the venerable Browning design for the Auto-5.


44 posted on 12/28/2012 8:54:46 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

The M-1 was designed to be select fire, between the wars. The initial issue was semiautomatic only. The US began issuing the M-2 Carbine, fully automatic, with a 30 round magazine in 1944. A T-17 or T-18 conversion kit converts the M-1 to fully automatic.

Very popular with the 101 and 82 Airborne, as you can schlepp a lot of ammunition.


45 posted on 12/28/2012 9:03:37 AM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: x
Nossir. To see how the grammar is actually impeccable, do the following:

An aide to the 93-year-old father of the AK-47 said Kalashnikov had been (having heart problems) and (feeling poorly) since March.

Deconstruct the sentence to use each clause one at a time.

An aide to the 93-year-old father of the AK-47 said Kalashnikov had been having heart problems since March. *PERMISSIBLE*

An aide to the 93-year-old father of the AK-47 said Kalashnikov had been feeling poorly since March. *PERMISSIBLE*

The sentence gots good grammerz.

46 posted on 12/28/2012 9:09:07 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: MountainYankee

Actually, the AK-47 was designed by Kalashnikov, he just derived much of it from American weapons-the bolt was derived from the M1 Carbine’s, the safety from the Remington Model 8 rifle, the trigger from the Browning Auto-5 shotgun.


47 posted on 12/28/2012 3:38:48 PM PST by Jacob Kell
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To: Jacob Kell

Interesting. A very clever mechanic indeed!


48 posted on 12/29/2012 3:02:57 AM PST by MountainYankee
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To: MountainYankee

You got it, MY, especially since he apparently knew that when it came to firearms, the Germans were overrated, while we Americans were and are the shitznitz.


49 posted on 12/31/2012 2:14:07 PM PST by Jacob Kell
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