Skip to comments.BREAKING People (firefighters) Shot at Scene of Webster (NY) Fire
Posted on 12/24/2012 5:17:08 AM PST by Revelation 911
Webster, N.Y. -- 13WHAM News has learned several people have been shot at the scene of a fire on Lake Road in Webster.
The fire is at 191 Lake Road near Bay Road. A source tells 13WHAM News that at that scene, an unknown gunman opened fire on fire crews on the scene.
The victims have been taken by Mercy Flight to area hospitals. The fire has now spread to a second house.
13WHAM has several crews converging on the scene and will provide updates at they're available.
Or has decided the home is worth less than the insurance.
From the live TV feed on that link
Firefighters: 2 wounded - 2 dead
report coming in from TV feed is 2 firefighters killed and 2 firefighters wounded. At 9:50AM EST
When small arms ammunition is burned, cartridge cases may burst open and bits of brass may fly about, but not with any great velocity, and usually not with force enough to be dangerous to life. The bullets generally have even less velocity than the brass cartridge cases, and it is necessary for the powder to be rather strongly confined to develop any velocity in a bullet. The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufactures Institute (SAMMI) reported a demonstration made by taking a large quantity of metallic cartridges and shotgun shells and burning them in a fire of oil soaked wood. The cartridges and shells exploded from time to time, but there was no general explosion of throwing off of bullets or shot to any distance. The test showed that small arms ammunition when subjected to fire will not explode simultaneously but piece by piece, and then the material of which the cartridge and shells are composed will usually not fly more than a few feet.
Subsequently, NRA staff conducted similar tests and surrounded the fire with cardboard. They found that neither the cases nor the bullets that flew any distance had enough energy to penetrate the cardboard.
I think you are on to something there Kart. I read in the paper and hear on the radio about those rampaging SUV’s killing someone. I think they need to be registered and have governors put on the engines so they can’t go more than 5 MPH.
“What is wrong with people?
Simple, true and straight-forward answer....We are definitely in or working into the last days....”And the whole face of the earth was filled with violence, and it repenteth The Lord that He had created man”....History repeading itself....
I'm not hiding jack sh!t. IF they want to confiscate they better prepare to die. I've drawn my line in the sand with this tyrannical bunch of treasonous traitors. You want war, BRING IT!
The Media doesn't help, magnifying the situation and lecturing us about the evil of law abiding gun owners.
Meanwhile, nary a word about the evil of the killer, their medical conditions and the gas-on-fire drugs they take that lowers their inhibitions and increases their delusions.
Isn't this why we now have domestic drones? A Hellfire distributes a whole lot of "peace and good-will" in the immediate aftermath of its deployment.
>>What is wrong with people?
Don't forget these.
It’s called Satan. Believe it or not. All these killings are Satan worship people. The Bible clearly tells of this stuff in the end times. Clear as a bell.
“Take our guns away so that nuts and criminals have a clear shot.
Think about where you will hide your guns”.
It ain’t the nuts and criminals I’m worried about. They only want to steal your guns not ban them.
Consider how history may have been changed should the Jews of Germany and Europe in the 1930’s refused to give up their firearms, and vowed to “take care of” those sent to do the dirty work of bureaucrats.
If those who own firearms, reach a position where it is necessary to hide them, to keep them safe, then the owner is not safe and the action will indicate all is lost.
Difficult as it may be, the decision to protect firearms from illegal and unconstitutional confiscation must be a part of firearms training. It must be part of you, it cannot rationally be made as those arrive at your door to take your firearms from you.
It must also be widely known by any and all that any efforts by anyone in government do be involved in any confiscation scheme, will be met by deadly force. So spread the word it ain’t a secret. If you are looking for a ticket to oblivion, willingly give up your guns to anyone other than the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Uh oh, looks like you got site problems.......
I heard 2 dead, 2 wounded and gunman killed himself. I’m in Buffalo. Fires have been burning for 3 hours because of this senseless shooting?
FWIW, this tactic was used more than once during the riots of the late 60s.
Start a fire, call the FD and then attack the firefighters when they arrived. Intended to terrorize and stoke mass hysteria, it wasn’t that successful back then but, of course, the populace wasn’t MEGA dumbed down then either.
What is wrong with people?
Well, there is a cure for that.
if Obama had sons that were arsonists/firemen shooters...they would look like them....
are from roch? - theres Marges tavern - mellow place and a couple other small joints Olaughlins maybe Rabs woodshed further west of there by Charlotte - Im westside myself
didnt know you were from here - banned - but flat tops and pre bans are all around - NYS adopted the 94 ban as their own - never expired
you are correct - my bad - open in spring for boats -
Amish, no doubt.
My bro and I fished there when we were kids. We biked from the City of Rochester.
Nope. Not Amish.
That house is the residence of a convicted killer. This address was all over the news 30 some odd years ago when this guy killed his grandmother who lived next door (All from memory so details may be off) He served something like 15 or 20 years before he was released back to his house.
Hell, google the address and you can even have the guys name.
Pull the LEO’s back across the bridge and send in an AC 130 gunship.
As an aside but a very important point: as a convicted felon the shooter (if he is who I suspect he is) wasn’t able to legally possess a gun in the first place.
I believe that there has not been any change in the violent crime / shooting rate in the US recently. What has changed is that the gun-grabbers in Washington and the media smell blood in the water, so they are going to over-hype every negative story involving a gun in order to play on peoples’ emotions and get a gun ban through. Similarly, they will underreport any story involving gun being used for valid self-defense purposes.
House comes back to a William Spengler.
I threw a few bullets in a fire when I was a youngin, age 10. Still have a major scar where it tore into my arm at the crook of my elbow. Had to have the fragment removed years later that lodged in.
I had the same glasses as a kid. Broke a few. Once I lost them in the Wisconsin river, or at least that’s what I told my dad. He found out through the small town talk that I got into a fight and they broke and I hid them. So love that movie based on my own experiences.
People are being told by the corrupt, evil MSM that everything is great and improving under Obama, yet everyone can see that there are no jobs, the cost of food keeps going up, and there is no hope of relief on the horizon.
Yes, there is a growing national despondency in the air. Americans are in love with Obama and liberal policies and yet they continue to spread abject misery!
People keep swallowing the poison the MSM keeps spoon feeding them on a daily basis and it's killing us.
Watch for an explosion in drug abuse nationwide - heroin, meth, pot, designer. People are going to desperately grab for any kind of relief.
And the MSM will continue to tell the gullible that Obama is great and should continue to be worshiped.
This must be what it was like under FDR.
” What is wrong with people? “
Alcohol complicating ‘family matters’/broken-up families and the holidays can make things painful, out-of-work with no money available to pay property taxes/a ‘tax auction’ looming down the road, a feeling of ultimate and enveloping despair ...
Pick one, they all work equally well.
Awful news. Prayers up. We are truly a sinful nation, may God and His beloved Son have mercy on our souls.
My grandfather was Johnny Malone. A little Irish Blood here too obviously.
I’ve heard that some of the big blue cities also shoot at ambulance crews. It’s a mad, mad world.
todays violence is an unthinkable tragedy that has taken the lives of our friends, neighbors and loved ones. My thoughts and prayers are with the families of the public servants who died today and the families of those wounded. Our nation must address out-of-control gun violence and I am firmly committed to doing my part. Congress must pass comprehensive legislation as soon as possible and bring an end to the senseless gun violence that has taken too many innocent lives.
Rep Louise Slaughter
When I lived in the area 30 years ago, Webster was an upscale suburb populated by Kodak and Xerox people. I don’t know where it has gone as those two companies slid down the porcelain parkway. This is not an inner city hellpit.
Hide them, already. Or better yet, hide lathes, milling machines, metallurgy ovens, reloading presses and dies, get ready to bootleg new, unregistered weapons if it becomes necessary.
Newton itself was a copy catter of the Batman Movie shooter. It’s all just a symptom of a society gone insane.
William Spengler was just confirmed by Webster PD Chief to be the killer and he died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. He murdered his grandmother, who lived next door, back in the early 90's. He was a criminally deranged POS and convicted felons are not allowed to own guns in NYS, so he committed this ambush and murders and assaults with illegally obtained guns.
I've spent time down at Sea Breeze, at the amusement park and the burger/hot dog joints as well as at Marge's Lakeside Inn and the Reunion on Culver Rd.
Is there an actual shooter or is there some ammo cooking off in the house?