Posted on 12/18/2012 2:34:55 PM PST by servo1969
“From what I've been told, Adam was aware of her petitioning the court for conservatorship and (her) plans to have him committed," Flashman told FoxNews.com. "Adam was apparently very upset about this. He thought she just wanted to send him away. From what I understand, he was really, really angry. I think this could have been it, what set him off.”
A senior law enforcement official involved in the investigation confirmed that Lanza's anger at his mother over plans for “his future mental health treatment” is being looked at as a possible motive for the deadly shooting.
Flashman was told Nancy Lanza had begun filing paperwork to get conservatorship over her troubled son, but that could not be confirmed because a court official told FoxNews.com such records are sealed. The move would have been necessary for her to gain the legal right to commit an adult to a hospital or psychiatric facility against his will. A competency hearing had not yet been held.
Adam Lanza attended the Sandy Hook School as a boy, according to Flashman, who said Nancy Lanza had volunteered there for several years. Two law enforcement sources said they believed Nancy Lanza had been volunteering with kindergartners at the school. Most of Lanza's victims were first graders sources believe Nancy Lanza may have worked with last year.
Flashman said Nancy Lanza was also good friends with the school’s principal and psychologist—both of whom were killed in the shooting rampage.
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There is an extremely interesting Ticker over at Market Ticket dealing with this
http://market-ticker.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=215059
The drug Fanapt was approved under suspicious circumstances
http://www.examiner.com/article/fanapt-the-rise-and-fall-of-an-antipsychotic
Quote: “
Vanda did none of those things. Instead, in November, they simply resubmitted the drug to the FDA, using leftover data from the original clinical trials.
It was such a jaw-dropping long shot that Vanda’s investors couldn’t get rid of stock fast enough. Stock prices fell below $1, and the company’s worth plummeted to less than cash on hand. At Vanda, there were layoffs and cutbacks, followed by a proxy fight trying to force Vanda to shut down, sell off its assets, and give any remaining money back to the shareholders.
Then, on May 6, 2009, stock analyst Adam Feuerstein observed something strange: “Hell froze over Wednesday night, right before a squadron of flying pigs took to the sky.”
For reasons only clear to the FDA, the new schizophrenia drug had been approved.”
For some reason the FDA approved Fanapt. Then this surfaces
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-05/fda-chemist-liang-sentenced-to-five-years-prison-in-insider-trading-case.html
A corrupt FDA chemist in the drug approval unit makes 1 million from approval of Fanapt and gets caught. Things that make you go Hmmm.
If someone started acting all crazy - then it would have been time to lock up all the guns in the gun safe. We had one, the expensive guns were always in there.
Since Adam was an adult, managing his affairs would involve a legal petition. The ex was apparently quit wealthy to fund a trust for Adam since Nancy was receiving hefty alimony
The school principal and psychologist would have Adam's school records and IEP reports to back up her legal petition that Adam was not competent to handle his own adult affairs. They may also have offered to prepare testimony or be expert witnesses if necessary for Nancy's case, and provided other recommendations of services for Adam
My brother in Law has one, and anyone who wants to get to his guns needs a blowtorch.
Well then she was a fool to not change the combination.
A gun safe that your psycho son who you are trying to have committed has seen the numbers you use to open, or one that has an “easy to remember” combo that is something he could easily figure out - is as bad as not having a gun safe at all.
When you have guns you have a responsibility to keep them out of the hands of psychos.
Lame excuses do not absolve one of responsibility.
Irrational anger displacement. In his mind these children represented a normalcy that he believed his mother wanted, but did not have with him. This is a guess, but an educated one.
Exactly.The very people,those fine,compassionate "progressives" who,30 or 40 years ago,saw to it that 75% of this nations public psych hospitals were shut down and who made it next to impossible for a well meaning relative to be granted "legal guardianship" over a disturbed person are at least partially responsible here.My 20 years in health care feature hundreds of stories along those very lines.Disgusting stories...some of which literally end in death and many others that featured incredible,unnecessary suffering.
Apparently the jo-mama nixed that as part of the court divorce proceedings.
The father is a rich and powerful man. If he wanted to do that, whey didn’t he?
His father was certainly not doing his job. If we get into the details of this “amiable” divorce,” we usually find that the husband has just washed his hands and split.
Holy crap.
But in one news report the school said that his mother didn’t teach there.
“Who is Flashman?”
If you read the article, you wouldn’t have to ask.
this makes about as much sense as anything else.
Several days ago they found out from multiple sources that they knew what the movie was. Then they refused to release it.
This is entirely plausible. Trying to get conservatorship was going to be a huge uphill climb.
I’m going to keep my mouth shut about how I think Adam Lanza missed his mark.
“...but that could not be confirmed because a court official told FoxNews.com such records are sealed.”
Of course.
Heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend who heard it from another you’ve been messing around.
I've seen this stated a number of times. Other than owning guns, I wonder if there is any evidence the mother actually was a gun enthusiast. I suspect she was just a hyper-indulgent mother and bought them at the behest of her son.
That “uncle” is a fraud and has been discredited, AFAIK.
With all of his resources he allowed it, apparently it doesn't say much for him, does it?
That is true but at this point, we don't know if she had a safe, or what kind of safe it might have been. Even having a safe when an unstable person is living in the house present should not be considered secure storage.
A 3-digit combination lock where each digit can be 0-50 has 51*51*51 = 132,651 possible combinations. Using a brute force cracking approach, assume 5 seconds to dial a given 3-digit combination. Worst case will require 184.24 hours to figure out the combination.
At 4 hours per day, he'll have the combination in less than 2 months.
Basically, if you have an unstable person in your home who by virtue of his obsession with video games can focus for extended periods on a task, you cannot trust a safe with a random 3-digit code where each digit can be between 0-50.
When you have guns you have a responsibility to keep them out of the hands of psychos.
Lame excuses do not absolve one of this responsibility.
> It would explain why he murdered his mother.
> How would that explain why he murdered innocent children?
Maybe killing them was his way of “saving” them from the kind of (mental) life he had been going through. There are a lot of people who want to “save” others but end up doing more harm than good to themselves and others.
Disarm!! Disarm!! Madmen are coming!! Madmen are coming!!
More like a manipulative, lazy brat, who knew how to play his mother. 20 years old still living at home, mom had to find someway to get that kid out of the house, he wasn't going to make it easy for her.
Seems FOX is once again getting their NEWS analysis from FR. rofl.
Except that he didn't just "snap." The whole thing was planned out and executed in exquisite detail.
Fine but there's always the possibility he hits the lotto on the first attempt. But you hadn't even considered the effort to brute force a 3-digit 0-50 combo lock until I pointed it out did you?
Lame excuses do not absolve one of this responsibility.
If you weren't so obsessed with insulting anyone whose comments either do not mirror your own position, or satisfy your ego you would recognize that having guns in a safe will only slow down a person determined to get them.
Next question: Why was his "treatment" such a complete failure?
I have to presume this kid was medicated from the time he entered elementary school....
Speculation like the posts on this thread, remind me of the MSM, how have we came to this, on FR?
Really.Sorry to hear that.
OTOH, if kids aren't straightened out by about the age of 5 yr old, it may be hopeless.
I’m thinking that the mom had shared the passcode with her son.
Beating a dead horse accomplishes nothing, but feel free to enforce you code on all the other freepers that think guns should be available for protection, else they are useless.
If on the other hand you feel like burglars, rapists and other miscreants should be required to give notice that they intend to invade your home.
Stuff it, this is not a time to push your modified gun grabber position.
Far from not even considering it, I read Richard Feynman and he was something of an expert at it.
If she felt her gun safe was not in a secure location where he could not work at it until he opened it - then she needed to move it to a secure location - or store her firearms elsewhere.
If you have guns (and I do) you have a responsibility to keep them away from someone psychotic enough that you think they need professional help.
Lame excuses do not absolve one of this responsibility.
I don’t see how pointing that out is an insult. It is a fact. Lame excuses never absolve one of ANY responsibility in life.
Absent hard facts, speculation on FR is fine. The problem is with a few posters whose egos are such that they feel compelled to personally insult anyone not in complete agreement with their speculation.
You just touched on something that I’ve always tried to figure out about my brother. I’ve posted on here recently about him so apologies if those reading post have already heard my story..
Anyway, my brother is almost 40..still living at home & myself, other family members know he’s had some type mental illness since his teens. Everyone except my enabling
parents know there’s something wrong with him.
Your post about “saving” people made me think of my brother because he’s involved in a few charities & always bragging about how he’s the only one that cares about people & tries to help the unfortunate. If anyone needs help, it’s him! He also has weird fixation on sick people & funerals.
My daughter might be going up there Thursday.You learn a lot more from the locals then you do in print and media.Two of her online friends lost friends and loved ones.If I found out anything more I will post it.
Given the implications. If he was committeed, his life would essentially be over. Ruined beyond repair. zero hope for any kind of future.
” Ruined beyond repair. zero hope for any kind of future.”
And that is different from now......how?
It is hardly a gun grabber position.
If you are living with a psychotic then the ‘enemy’ is already ‘over the wire’ and you need to make sure they don’t use your own weapons against you.
How did it work for his mother? Shot in the face with her own gun. Wow - it sure was available for protection! Too bad she didn’t lock up her guns where he couldn’t get them. She knew he was psycho, and yet he had access to her weapons.
Not smart.
Seems like a decent synopsis of the troubled state of families these days. Broken home, child feels abandoned, whatever is left of the security from having any family at all dissolves. I guess a lot of kids in this situation just carry on and repeat the cycle. This one had other issues and snapped.
Used to be that families stayed together for the sake of the children, for better or worse. This family took the new, normal route and something unexpected happened.
Wonder if society will actually learn anything from this.
Because in their mind..this world is a living hell.
It's not a crime to be eccentric, or weird. Thank your lucky stars he has a loving family who doesn't shove him into "treatments" that turn him into a monster.
Funny how the story is changing, school officials said Nancy Lanza had nothing to do with school and no one ever heard of her.
One gun range owner said he didn't know them and the FBI didn't find their names on the sign in sheets going way back.
A little impossible to volunteer at the school and have no one there know her. That sounds like more of a rumor they keep rehashing.
Him being in the basement is nothing. Lots of guys would love a man cave in the basement. With his mental state, windows may have been a distraction he couldn't handle.
Oh, no! He had military posters and played video games!!!! Gee, why didn't his brother go bonkers if that was the cause? Why haven't everyone who has these in their rooms go on shooting sprees? Enough with blaming video games and guns. The guy was mental. Banning guns isn't the solution to mental illness.
Playing video games in your mom’s basement doesn’t exactly sound like a lake of eternal fire.
A friend of mine did away with himself after some silly sot at work got it into her head that he was a bit too sad or something. I didn’t get enough of the full story, and didn’t observe it since I was away with my mom for two months before. They had the state take him to the hospital, and he was promptly released, without any adverse diagnosis. But that suggestion and the embarrassment of being hauled away in front of everyone at work was all he needed to go over the edge. He was dead a week later, in my opinion due to the meddling of the busybody.
they talk of mental care reform but do nothing of the destructin of lives.
nobody would hire him afterwards even if it was wrongful.
He was probably jealous of the kids.
there is no hope no where to turn.
Why do people jump off the golden gate bridge on the side facing the city but not the side facing nothing?
If he really was this dangerous, there are involuntary comitment for observation laws.
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