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EXCLUSIVE: Fear of being committed may have caused Connecticut gunman to snap ^ | 12-18-2012 | Jana Winter

Posted on 12/18/2012 2:34:55 PM PST by servo1969

“From what I've been told, Adam was aware of her petitioning the court for conservatorship and (her) plans to have him committed," Flashman told "Adam was apparently very upset about this. He thought she just wanted to send him away. From what I understand, he was really, really angry. I think this could have been it, what set him off.”

A senior law enforcement official involved in the investigation confirmed that Lanza's anger at his mother over plans for “his future mental health treatment” is being looked at as a possible motive for the deadly shooting.

Flashman was told Nancy Lanza had begun filing paperwork to get conservatorship over her troubled son, but that could not be confirmed because a court official told such records are sealed. The move would have been necessary for her to gain the legal right to commit an adult to a hospital or psychiatric facility against his will. A competency hearing had not yet been held.

Adam Lanza attended the Sandy Hook School as a boy, according to Flashman, who said Nancy Lanza had volunteered there for several years. Two law enforcement sources said they believed Nancy Lanza had been volunteering with kindergartners at the school. Most of Lanza's victims were first graders sources believe Nancy Lanza may have worked with last year.

Flashman said Nancy Lanza was also good friends with the school’s principal and psychologist—both of whom were killed in the shooting rampage.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: 2012; banglist; fanapt; gunman; lanza; mentalhealth; mentalillness; newtown; sandy; sandyhook
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To: servo1969

These days the government forces kids to be adults at 18. A few decades ago, a disturbed or emotionally unstable kid could have his parents do things like pay for stuff and handle medical issues.

Now, though, medical issues cannot be discussed with parents once the kid turns 18 (like a psychologist or psychiatrist can no longer chat with parents). Financial issues likewise, the kid must handle that too. Bank accounts become viewable only by the kid.

Conservatorship is about the only way a parent of an AS or Autistic or Down kid can stay in the loop and handle things the kid has difficulty with.

21 posted on 12/18/2012 2:49:48 PM PST by DBrow
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To: servo1969

In a sick and diseased brain involuntary commitment to a psych hospital (or any facility,for that matter) could be enough.

22 posted on 12/18/2012 2:50:15 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (When Robbing Peter To Pay Paul,One Can Always Count On Paul's Cooperation)
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To: tet68

Liberals have been creaming their pants for years hoping for a tragedy like this to happen so they can use it for their own benefit. The far left despises our country and our Constitution..their top guy is in the White House who wants nothing more than to rip our Constitution to shreds

23 posted on 12/18/2012 2:50:30 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: sarasota
Who is Flashman?

A character in 'Tom Brown's Schooldays', a nasty bull.

24 posted on 12/18/2012 2:50:30 PM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: servo1969

a conservatorship would also be needed for her to set up a special needs trust fund and have a guardian always manage Adam’s financial affairs

the ex husband should be aware if this

as a parent ages they have to think of future arrangements for an adult disabled child

of course, he might have misinterpreted her motives

if she thought he was dangerous she would have had her door locked and guns beside her bed with her... perhaps she did

25 posted on 12/18/2012 2:51:39 PM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: servo1969

That’s convincing. I now believe it was the crazy man’s motive.

26 posted on 12/18/2012 2:52:11 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Sarah Barracuda

“purchase another gun but was refused since there was a 48 hour background check “

He maybe could buy a long gun but a 20 yo can’t buy a handgun.

27 posted on 12/18/2012 2:52:19 PM PST by DBrow
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To: GlockThe Vote

It would explain why he murdered his mother.
How would that explain why he murdered innocent children?

28 posted on 12/18/2012 2:52:26 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Alaska Wolf

I would suspect that his father wanted him committed over a decade ago...and the mother just wouldn’t agree to that. Just my humble opinion....but you can’t live in a house like that for years and years.

29 posted on 12/18/2012 2:52:33 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: Moonman62


30 posted on 12/18/2012 2:52:42 PM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Sherman Logan

I love Flashman!

So, if freaky Adam was so upset, why didn’t he just off himself?

31 posted on 12/18/2012 2:53:22 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: servo1969

He went to the school the day before and there was an “altercation”, there had to be a reason for that, so this makes sense if true.

32 posted on 12/18/2012 2:54:12 PM PST by wolficatZ (Hey blue states....Got Food?)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

You are not alone in that thought process and thank you for bringing it up. Yes, Did she have a Safe, and if they were locked up, how did he crack it and or force her to open it. If you get the impression she was willing to get him "help" chances are she would have had them locked up if she was that logical.

Which leads to other questions, i.e. the story has political legs of it's own and if such facts come to light, the lame streams won't denote it as it does not fit their narrative.

My heart is still aches for these innocents, their parents, and all who loved them, and I am repulsed by the magnitude of evil of he who doesn't deserved to be named.

33 posted on 12/18/2012 2:55:15 PM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: SE Mom
So, let's see here...

What is the link in the chain of events that actually broke? The mother was by all accounts a good gun owner. She feared her son was nuts and dangerous. She may have tried to have him committed. Son got mad, went to the school he once attended, where Mom's friends worked, where she may have worked at one time and had some altercation. About his mother's plans? Don't know at this time. So he kills her, steals her guns, kills her friends, and kills as many of those kids she loved as he could.

Now, was it the mother's access to guns that are to blame? Note: He had to kill his own mother to get them.

No. The mother wanted to have him committed. But, wouldn't you know it? It's damn near impossible to have a person committed when they haven't tried to kill anyone yet. And who is trying to blame everything on guns?

The very people who made certain that crazy people are free to do as they please!
34 posted on 12/18/2012 2:55:28 PM PST by servo1969
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Whatever measures she may have taken, they were absolutely inadequate. A good gun safe cannot be broken into or picked by a young video game playing psychotic med taking doofus.
35 posted on 12/18/2012 2:55:56 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: pbear8

Flashman is also a series of books by George MacDonald about the later adventures of the Tom Brown Schooldays character. Flashman ends up fighting with Custer at the Little Bighorn! Wonderful stuff.

36 posted on 12/18/2012 2:56:44 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
"Let us see if Fox is the sole outlet for this possible motive..."

Seems that Fox is the only outlet that knows this "Flashman" person. I have no idea who this person is! He pops up as a source in a Fox News article with no explanation of who he is.

37 posted on 12/18/2012 2:56:52 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: servo1969

So let me get this straight...

Momma is the one who taught him how to shoot (she was a big firearms enthusiast). And even after she saw that he was unstable, continued to take him shooting.

Momma initiates legal action to have him committed for being unstable and likely a danger... yet does absolutely nothing to secure here weapons where he cannot access them...

And she (along with 20 children and 6 school faculty) paid with their lives.

But it is still the GUN’s fault...

No - this is a case of irresponsibility. He tried to buy a gun but failed (Dick’s actually followed the law - though now they are halting sales of similar firearms, folding to the Marxists), but his mom was an accomplice to his acts.

It wasn’t Aspergers or “Autism Spectrum Disorder” that killed 27 people plus the perp. It was Adam Lanza who made the decision, and his mother who aided and abetted by failing to secure her weapons from her dangerous son.

38 posted on 12/18/2012 2:58:08 PM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: tet68

A government that does not trust the people to be armed
is in fact a tyranny.

It’s that simple, if they (our supposed government)attempt
to disarm us inspite of the constitution and bill of
rights, then they have given up the mandate of the people
and deserve what will happen to them. We can have no
common ground with tyranny.

39 posted on 12/18/2012 2:58:25 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Stillwaters

If it’s true that the mother was preparing to have him committed, how did he find out about it? More importantly, if she knew her son was a danger to himself and others to the degree that he needed to be involuntarily committed, how on earth did he have access to all her weapons and her car?

40 posted on 12/18/2012 2:58:36 PM PST by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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