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How to siphon votes away from blue states
Washington Post ^ | December 11, 2012 | Brad Plumer

Posted on 12/16/2012 7:51:50 PM PST by neverdem

In most states, presidential elections are fairly simple. Whichever candidate garners the most votes wins all of that state’s electoral votes. There are two tiny exceptions (Maine and Nebraska), but that’s typically how it works. President Obama won a majority of votes in Pennsylvania, so he got all 20 of its electoral votes.

Over the past year, however, a number of Republican lawmakers in blue states have been pushing an alternative system. The states would split their electoral votes between different candidates. As Dave Weigel points out, this was first floated by conservatives in Ohio and Pennsylvania before the 2012 election, only to get shot down. But now the idea’s steadily making a comeback. So let’s look at some of the different proposals here — as well as what effect they would have had on the 2012 presidential election.

Pennsylvania I: Last year, Republican State Senate Leader Dominic Pileggi proposed a bill that would...

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Virginia: Ari Berman points to another recent proposal from Virginia State Sen. Charles Carrico Sr. This one goes much further than any of the above plans. Electoral votes get divided by congressional district. On top of that, another two electoral votes would go to the candidate who wins the most districts. So, in 2012, Obama won the popular vote in Virginia. But under Carrico’s plan, Romney would have received 9 electoral votes and Obama would have received just 4.

One common argument for these plans is that it gives rural voters a greater voice; Dave Weigel dissects that strange logic here. But there’s also an undeniable partisan appeal. As Berman points out, if GOP-controlled legislatures in Florida, Michigan, Ohio, Virginia, Florida, and Pennsylvania had all adopted versions of this vote-splitting plan, then Romney would have won the White House with 270 electoral votes in 2012...

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: electoralcollege; electoralvotes
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1 posted on 12/16/2012 7:51:55 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I have an answer. Pull the spark plugs from all the school buses!


2 posted on 12/16/2012 7:53:38 PM PST by WVKayaker ("Hang in there, America. Fight for what is right." - Sarah Palin 11/7/12)
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To: neverdem
I'm for it and it doesn't require screwing with the constitution.

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3 posted on 12/16/2012 7:54:52 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: neverdem

The major urban areas have declared war on “flyover country”, there is no doubt remaining.


4 posted on 12/16/2012 7:58:46 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: neverdem

Call in air strikes?


5 posted on 12/16/2012 8:01:49 PM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

If so, then seige warfare is in order, vastly reduce the amount of food shipped to the cities.

Sit back and watch Social Darwinism at its finest.


6 posted on 12/16/2012 8:04:08 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: cripplecreek

After every presidential it seems members of the losing party propose some change to the electoral college.


7 posted on 12/16/2012 8:04:18 PM PST by monocle
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To: cripplecreek

After every presidential it seems members of the losing party propose some change to the electoral college.


8 posted on 12/16/2012 8:04:18 PM PST by monocle
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To: neverdem
I think it would need to be two votes for the most votes in the state, not for the most congressional districts won. Obviously, each state is allowed to set up their electoral system as they choose, but I can't see them going with congressional districts for the state's two "Senate" votes.

My main concern with this system would be the application of recounts in the event of a close (or maybe not so close) election. Seem a candidate could select dozens of favorable districts with which to request a recount from, across many states. I'm sure the various voter fraud machines and the lawyers would be thrilled with this aspect of the change if it were done nationwide.

9 posted on 12/16/2012 8:08:02 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: neverdem

I believe after this last election all of California’s electoral votes go to whomever wins the nationwide popular vote.


10 posted on 12/16/2012 8:09:41 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: neverdem

Sounds reasonable and right.


11 posted on 12/16/2012 8:10:22 PM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: neverdem

And the 17th Amendment must be abolished as well as others from that dark period in America known as the so-called “progressive” era. The reality is that those laws were actually regressive, destroying what the enlightened Founding Fathers had put into place.


12 posted on 12/16/2012 8:13:10 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: neverdem

Check this out:
http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

Personally I don’t believe their polls. They claim that in my state, SC, 71% want popular vote. No way!

Polling was done by Public Policy Polling, a RAT outfit. Go figure.


13 posted on 12/16/2012 8:39:39 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: neverdem

This would be a temporary fix at best.


14 posted on 12/16/2012 8:46:08 PM PST by youngidiot (God help us.)
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To: txnativegop
After Sandy, civilization lasted all of 3 days in NJ, and I live in a solid GOP bastion. Everyone could stay warm and fed for a few days but the surprise was that there was barely any gas. I knew to fill up right before storm hit, but not everyone was as prepared. Few guns were drawn at gas station lines. Again, we are not talking Newark or Camden, but solid Red county.

Point being, it wouldn't even take a week for total anarchy and a month for 90% casualties in urban areas

15 posted on 12/16/2012 9:08:22 PM PST by MattinNJ (Col. West in 2016!!!!!!!!)
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To: txnativegop
After Sandy, civilization lasted all of 3 days in NJ, and I live in a solid GOP bastion. Everyone could stay warm and fed for a few days but the surprise was that there was barely any gas. I knew to fill up right before storm hit, but not everyone was as prepared. Few guns were drawn at gas station lines. Again, we are not talking Newark or Camden, but solid Red county.

Point being, it wouldn't even take a week for total anarchy and a month for 90% casualties in urban areas

16 posted on 12/16/2012 9:08:22 PM PST by MattinNJ (Col. West in 2016!!!!!!!!)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

I think that was done in 2010. It’s immaterial. It only takes effect when enough states have signed the compact to ‘give’ the White House to the national popular vote winner. It had not happened yet. Perhaps it has now and I missed that news.


17 posted on 12/16/2012 9:19:44 PM PST by newzjunkey (bah)
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To: upchuck

Thanks for the link.


18 posted on 12/16/2012 9:23:16 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: WVKayaker
I have an answer. Pull the spark plugs from all the school buses!

Most school buses have diesel engines.

:^(

19 posted on 12/16/2012 9:28:56 PM PST by Disambiguator (America chose...poorly.)
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To: MattinNJ
Point being, it wouldn't even take a week for total anarchy and a month for 90% casualties in urban areas

Essentially proving everything I ever thought about cities. You have no idea how much that warms the cockles of my heart...whatever cockles are.

20 posted on 12/16/2012 9:32:32 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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