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Vladimir Putin calls on Russian families to have three children
Telegraph ^ | 1:48PM GMT 12 Dec 2012 | Tom Parfitt, Moscow

Posted on 12/13/2012 10:04:28 PM PST by Red Steel

President Vladimir Putin has urged Russians to have at least three children as he said a resurgent nation should be a confident and “influential” power on the world stage.

In a bullish state-of-the-nation address in Moscow on Wednesday, Mr Putin promised to smite corruption, create millions of new jobs and boost Russia’s military might while warning that foreign meddling in the country’s internal affairs was unacceptable.

He claimed the country shared universal democratic values, adding: “Russian democracy is the power of the Russian people with their own traditions of national self-government, and not the realisation of standards foisted on us from outside.”

In characteristic rhetoric, Mr Putin also addressed internal as well as external enemies while suggesting a link between the two, saying that “chinovniki” (state officials) — often seen as corrupt caste bent on self-enrichment — should be prevented from keeping their money abroad.

“What trust can there be in a ‘chinovnik’ or a politician who says big things about the welfare of Russia while trying to take his means, his money abroad?” he asked MPs and senior officials. “I ask you to support legislation to limit the rights of state officials and politicians to foreign bank accounts and shares.”

He added: “Direct or indirect external interference in our internal political processes is unacceptable. Any person who receives money from abroad for his or her political activity and by doing so serves alien national interests, cannot be a politician in Russia.”

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: putin

1 posted on 12/13/2012 10:04:35 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
A related thread...

More Babies, Please
The New York Times ^ | December 1, 2012 | ROSS DOUTHAT
Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:44:42 PM by MinorityRepublican

2 posted on 12/13/2012 10:07:00 PM PST by Red Steel
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Putin might be having one of those “how did we get here” moments. A short history course might help him to understand. First came the communists, and waves of people were liquidated. It was a process which continued until Stalin’s death. When Stalin was young, he purged and executed the officers of his military. Hitler attacked, and 5 million military men were captured, of which 3 million died in captivity. The absence of competent military leaders revealed the folly of Stalin. Not to mention of course, the other millions of Russians who died in the war. Millions of lives wasted due to communism. Of course, those millions who died would have passed on by now. But those millions would have procreated and Russia would be having a different kind of population problem now. Hey pooty poot, in your quiet time, maybe you can say a silent prayer for those wasted lives in the war and gulags. And after prayer, curse the prior leaders of Russia.


3 posted on 12/13/2012 10:13:48 PM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Red Steel
President Vladimir Putin has urged Russians to have at least three children as he said a resurgent nation should be a confident and “influential” power on the world stage.

He could also tell them to have three fewer abortions.

4 posted on 12/13/2012 10:22:17 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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5 posted on 12/13/2012 10:24:28 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Red Steel

Putin calls for more children. Obama calls for more abortions and birth control.


6 posted on 12/13/2012 10:25:48 PM PST by garjog (Heroes Died. Obama Lied.)
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Yes. This says it all. Not all holocausts require barbed wire and machine guns. People cry here every day about “demographics are destiny” without thinking that our posterity has been minced up and run down the sinks, or chemically passed on in order to get a third car or more electronics or a second home.

Putin is a hard and cold man, a deadly man, but unlike any American president in the past twenty years, his sole focus is to make his country stronger, which is his job.


7 posted on 12/13/2012 10:45:17 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: Red Steel

I recall reading once that any woman in the Soviet Union who had 10 children would receive a medal.


8 posted on 12/13/2012 11:11:13 PM PST by wideminded
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To: Enterprise

I’ve read Russia has lost more than 40,000 population centers down from total 158,000 it had in 1990, including over 200 cities.
Thus, they have a slight population growth since 2010.


9 posted on 12/13/2012 11:15:38 PM PST by cunning_fish
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Can Muslim Russians collect a bonus too? For having more children? I hear at least 35% of Putin’s army is Muslim


10 posted on 12/13/2012 11:21:00 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything)
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To: wideminded

AFAIK today they pay some $15,000 for second and every next child and tons of other benefits. It doesn’t help much with native population but their immigrants are happy.


11 posted on 12/13/2012 11:21:00 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Red Steel

12 posted on 12/13/2012 11:24:51 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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It was interesting that during the early Communist days (and as far back as they existed as a society), they had boatloads of kids. That was the only way they could repopulate so quickly after Stalin’s work and WW2. Now that they live in (relative) peace and much greater prosperity, they quit having kids - go figure.


13 posted on 12/14/2012 4:16:12 AM PST by BobL (Did you know that the Chinese now buy close to twice as many new cars as Americans each year?)
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Wow, can Putin come here and be president?

This is a message our society needs to hear!


14 posted on 12/14/2012 4:31:04 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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Communism and Nazism decided they could raise children better than a wife and husband. I recall films from the ‘30’s about their baby factories with nurses changing diapers on an assembly line. The idea was that women would have the children and return to work while the state raised the children in crèches. This was dropped by the Germans and the Russians as the children so raised were not the robotic perfect citizens of the state that they wanted. Children raised by the state were useless.
In Russia, grinding poverty and the need to keep the entire workforce fully employed led to free abortions. Preventative measures cost money but abortions have been and remain free in Russia; the average Russian woman having somewhere north of four during her reproductive life. The grinding poverty remains, due largely to the crony capitalism that Putin profits from. (He’s Europe’s richest man. Notice also that Obama’s net worth had risen dramatically while in office.) So, abortion remains cheaper than preventative measures and having children dooms a woman to even less that life has to offer.
The solution isn’t asking or even demanding women have three children. By-the-way, three wouldn’t begin to cover the demographic disaster they’re facing. The solution is allowing the type of economic freedom the United States had during the ‘40’s through the ‘60’s. We no longer have that freedom either, but we have farther to fall than Russia.


15 posted on 12/14/2012 4:48:15 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: cunning_fish
"I’ve read Russia has lost more than 40,000 population centers down from total 158,000 it had in 1990"

WOW! The triumph of Communism endures!

In a sane educational system, "The Gulag Archipelago" would be required reading in the tenth grade.

16 posted on 12/14/2012 9:04:39 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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>>>It was interesting that during the early Communist days (and as far back as they existed as a society), they had boatloads of kids. That was the only way they could repopulate so quickly after Stalin’s work and WW2. Now that they live in (relative) peace and much greater prosperity, they quit having kids - go figure.<<<

In fact they had at least two baby booms: from mid-50s into 60s and another massive boom during Gorbachev’s presidency (1984-1991).

>>”I’ve read Russia has lost more than 40,000 population centers down from total 158,000 it had in 1990”
WOW! The triumph of Communism endures!

In a sane educational system, “The Gulag Archipelago” would be required reading in the tenth grade.<<

To be honest, depopulation started right after a Soviet collapse. With the exception of Civil War, 1932-1933 Holodomor and WWII Russia always had a massive population growth from 1918 to 1991.

BTW, “The Gulag Archpelago” required reading in their secondary school system since about 1985.


17 posted on 12/14/2012 5:23:12 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Red Steel

Babies are burdens and obstacles. Babies are good - have three!

Commies just don’t seem to know where they stand on the whole baby thing.


18 posted on 12/14/2012 5:25:16 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Enterprise

good post.

In 20/20 hindsight...murdering millions of your own kind is never a good idea - especially now when you see militant jihadis having several kids with several wives.


19 posted on 12/14/2012 5:27:03 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: cunning_fish

“In a sane educational system, “The Gulag Archipelago” would be required reading in the tenth grade.”

True.

http://pjmedia.com/blog/putin-makes-solzhenitsyn-required-reading/

We can call Putin the biggest bastard that we want to, but it is HIM, not the United States, that is teaching his kids what the TRUTH of Communism is.

Having read half a dozen books on the Soviet Union, I can tell you, almost first-hand, that the SINGLE best way to get American youth to respect this country is to have them read what their “heroes” were really all about.


20 posted on 12/14/2012 5:36:47 PM PST by BobL (Did you know that the Chinese now buy close to twice as many new cars as Americans each year?)
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To: LibsRJerks

“Wow, can Putin come here and be president? This is a message our society needs to hear!”

I wish he would. Say what you might about Putin, but NO ONE can deny that he’s a man who loves his country...and when was the last time one could say that about ANY Democrat presidential candidate.

I’d vote for him tomorrow over either Obama or Romney (but not Reagan, or...Bush).


21 posted on 12/14/2012 5:43:16 PM PST by BobL (Did you know that the Chinese now buy close to twice as many new cars as Americans each year?)
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To: Gen.Blather

>>>Communism and Nazism decided they could raise children better than a wife and husband. I recall films from the ‘30’s about their baby factories with nurses changing diapers on an assembly line. The idea was that women would have the children and return to work while the state raised the children in crèches. This was dropped by the Germans and the Russians as the children so raised were not the robotic perfect citizens of the state that they wanted. Children raised by the state were useless.
In Russia, grinding poverty and the need to keep the entire workforce fully employed led to free abortions. Preventative measures cost money but abortions have been and remain free in Russia; the average Russian woman having somewhere north of four during her reproductive life. The grinding poverty remains, due largely to the crony capitalism that Putin profits from. (He’s Europe’s richest man. Notice also that Obama’s net worth had risen dramatically while in office.) So, abortion remains cheaper than preventative measures and having children dooms a woman to even less that life has to offer.
The solution isn’t asking or even demanding women have three children. By-the-way, three wouldn’t begin to cover the demographic disaster they’re facing. The solution is allowing the type of economic freedom the United States had during the ‘40’s through the ‘60’s. We no longer have that freedom either, but we have farther to fall than Russia.<<<

I think the main reason of Russian depopulation is a way of their housing. Living in a tiny apartments within their massive housing projects is surely not about to have a big family. It wasn’t a case under commies when these project were a government property and authorities were obliged to hand new homes for new families and then hand them larger apartments as soon as these new families extended.

Today these projects are private property and no public housing exist. A 300 sq feet one bedroom in Moscow starts at about $300,000 in a worst area. Any kind of decent (by Russian standard which is pretty low)apartment is no less than $700,000 to a $1 mln and their average annual salary is about $20,000. Mortgage rates are huge. For that reason you can see millions 40 yo “kids” still sitting on their parent’s properties without any chance to have their own.
You can move from Moscow to another city which offer a $150,000 housing but you’ll be extremely lucky to find a $10,000 job there. Living costs are huge at the same time. Food is 50 to 100% more expensive comparing to USA, clothes are 2 to 3 times more expensive. Entry level Chevy Camaro starts at $70,000 and so on.
It is not a good idea to have kids in such environment.

The main reason of Russian misery today is a 1990s failure to adopt the way US developed after WWII.

You can easily draw some parallels between earlier to mid-40s US and late communist Russia.

Both had pretty spartan living conditions for most people and were massive military industrial complexes converting into peaceful life. Both had a huge extra economic capacity which US managed to use to aim into high-quality low-price consumer goods market and improve people’s life quality (guns to butter) while Russia simply wasted and lost.

US has also developed suburban culture for better living condition at little cost and Russia didn’t.


22 posted on 12/14/2012 6:24:44 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish
I think "The Gulag Archipelago" should be required reading in OUR schools.
23 posted on 12/15/2012 3:19:53 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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