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New Salinas School Gets Name of Famous Outlaw
KION ^ | : Dec 10, 2012 | Jasmine Viel

Posted on 12/10/2012 9:08:53 PM PST by artichokegrower

SALINAS, Calif.- The Alisal Union School District confirmed Monday it decided to rename a new school in the Monte Bella neighborhood after a famous bandit, who is seen as a hero by some Mexican-Americans.

Tiburcio Vasquez was convicted of murder and hung for the crime in the 1800's. He was born in Monterey to a prominent family. According to several online sources, like Wikipedia, he organized a gang, robbed travelers, had gunfights with police and killed three innocent bystanders during a robbery in San Benito County.

Vasquez is already "honored" today by two place names in southern California.

According to CaliforniaHistory.com, Vasquez was something of a celebrity, a hero to hundreds of his fellow Spanish-speaking citizens. Scores of visitors brought him flowers, wines, notions and other tokens of esteem to where he was in jail during his trial. An appeal for clemency was denied by Governor Romualdo Pacheco. On March 19,1875, in San Jose, California, Tiburcio Vasquez, bandido and folk hero, calmly met his death by hanging.

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Salinas, California is gangbanger central. What better place for an elementary school named after an early California thug.
1 posted on 12/10/2012 9:08:58 PM PST by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

What’s up is down.

The worst offenders are contemporary childrens lit writers. Anyone who doesn’t realize Harry Potter is a villian (and a forgettable one) is well advised to review the ancient texts first placed in writing by the Brothers Grimm, but whose lore goes back far and wide.


2 posted on 12/10/2012 9:12:49 PM PST by stanne
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To: stanne; tiredoflaundry; HungarianGypsy; JenB; Grendel9; dead; TwoWolves; js1138; MineralMan; ...

ping...


3 posted on 12/10/2012 9:18:29 PM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: artichokegrower

I know some school administrators that should be fired.


4 posted on 12/10/2012 9:19:05 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: artichokegrower
Vasquez rock.

You've seen it in any number of Sci-fi movies and truck/car commercials.

5 posted on 12/10/2012 9:22:21 PM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: artichokegrower

What ? Was Che Guevera taken ?


6 posted on 12/10/2012 9:23:09 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: artichokegrower

Nearly got jacked on South Main three weeks back....nice, huh?

Freakin Chalinas, mang....YUCK..!


7 posted on 12/10/2012 9:24:31 PM PST by gaijin
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To: artichokegrower

California, lol.


8 posted on 12/10/2012 9:27:23 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: null and void
Kirk and ? Pictures, Images and Photos
9 posted on 12/10/2012 9:32:19 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: artichokegrower

He is a hero, yet we are supposed to erase Columbus from history. Sadly it is not just the inbred in California, you see this crap all over America. If it is white European it is to be reviled while any thug of color is a saint!


10 posted on 12/10/2012 9:36:40 PM PST by Mastador1
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To: artichokegrower; All

Nothing like bringing more Mestizo-Racism into the classroom.

And politicians in this country want to give Illegal Alien Amnesty to people who celebrate crime and thuggery?


11 posted on 12/10/2012 9:59:23 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: artichokegrower
hung for the crime in the 1800's.

hanged pendejo.

..that is a pun btw for anyone who knows what pendejo actually means (a hanging pubic hair)

12 posted on 12/10/2012 10:05:31 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: null and void

Looks like the scene from Star Trek TOS where Kirk fought the Gorn.


13 posted on 12/10/2012 10:21:08 PM PST by fattigermaster
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To: artichokegrower

Shame ... I went to First thru Fourth grade at Buena Vista school on River Road in Salinas ... same teacher throughout ... Mrs Lindsey. I was born there at Park Hospital. My mom was a Salinas High Cowboy and met my Dad at Hartnell. Most of my family worked at Spreckels Sugar at one time or another. My grandma ran a small beauty salon in the back of her house in Spreckels.
My grandfather spent 40 years at the Spreckels plant in Spreckles as head carpenter. My how things have changed


14 posted on 12/10/2012 10:28:51 PM PST by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June 28 2012)
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To: fattigermaster
Yes. That and soooo much else...
15 posted on 12/10/2012 10:32:22 PM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: artichokegrower
Scores of visitors brought him flowers, wines, notions and other tokens of esteem to where he was in jail during his trial.

What have I done to deserve such generosity?

16 posted on 12/10/2012 10:32:54 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: artichokegrower
mmmmmmmmmmmm artichokes. You must be from Castroville. I love stopping at the giant artichoke for their deep fried hearts whenever I am in the area!
17 posted on 12/10/2012 10:38:50 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: artichokegrower

No big deal. Salinas is the worst hellhole in the entire state of California. It makes Compton look like Beverly Hills. Naming the local elementary school after a notorious killer is par for the course, and will just enhance the exisiting situation a bit more.


18 posted on 12/10/2012 10:49:35 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

Salinas ... Isn’t that the town in which Cal Hamilton’s mother, Cathy, operated her cathouse in Steinbeck’s novel ‘East of Eden’? Doesn’t sound like things have changed much.


19 posted on 12/10/2012 10:57:31 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: stanne

Your statement intrigues me, please do continue with your Harry Potter as villain concept.


20 posted on 12/10/2012 11:02:14 PM PST by MetaThought
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To: tumblindice

Indeed they probably haven’t.


21 posted on 12/10/2012 11:09:52 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: clamper1797

Sprekels Sugar Plant is long closed (jobs loss).
Dittos for the huge Goodyear Tire Plant in South Salinas (jobs loss).

Salinas, Calif is now a VAST majority of Mexicans, many of them probably legal.

Border Patrol? What Border Patrol? I heard the B.P. had a small office there but the politicos ousted them.


22 posted on 12/10/2012 11:15:29 PM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: wardaddy

pendejo means (a hanging pubic hair)

******

Pendejo means a dumba$$ and the term “hanging pubic hair” is so far removed from Spanglish it doesn’t exist. As in we no longer speak the Kings English...

Pendejo is a slur....not a pun in modern language.


23 posted on 12/10/2012 11:26:30 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: MetaThought

Thanks for asking.

In all stories throughout history, including some Asian fairy tales going back to before the Brothers Grimm recorded spoken tales, The classic story was what we know as a fairy tale.

The elements are clear and many are represented through symbols.

The theme is the hero(ine) has an epiphany through an encounter with and victory over true evil.

Girls fairy tales and boys fairy tales differ because girls and boys are different. That’s why boys inexplicably enjoy “The Lion King”, “Beauty and the Beast” and “The Princess Bride”,

Girls can watch boy stories, but boys have to endure “chick flicks” thorough suffering and much promise of reward.

What’s your favorite movie? Dont think just say it.

If you’re a girl, it’s most likely a girl fairy tale and vice versa, though girls, as I say, do enjoy stories about boys and heroism.

OK. Who’s the villian? What’s bad about him or her? How does the hero(ine) get rid of them? In the cas e of Snow white, the villian is the witch who dies via lightning bolt, not the direct act of snow white, but through grace she’s earned.

Who’s your villian. What drives ehem? Is he very bad? If so, that indicates a lack of fear, but of acceptance of the other side, healthy. How does the hero overcome the villian?

If it’s a girl movie, the villian is a mother figure, never a mother. A step mother.

In the very late part of the 20th Century, heros becam the creation of the writer. The writers, very flawed human beings parents entrust their children to, a reflection or illustration of what goes on in the school system. these writers make things up aout of pure fantasy, but the element of wha t good story is meant to do, equip a young mind to defend its soul by envisioning scenarios of choices he’ll have to make, is not there in these stories.

Have you seen HP or read any of these fantasy books? are they forgettable? do you feel bad when you are done, songing for the next installment, eager to read any thing lood?

Back up. Who is this guy? He is a boy whose boss is dark and who had rejecte dhis adoptive family and who is in no way good. He has no virtue other than relative virtue - he is nice to his friends. that’s regardless of whether they cast spells on people they don’t like.

WHat do they do to teach children how to behave.

OK. Read classics and see nothing but black and whites for the holidays. That includes things that were colored over IE, any Hollywood musical. No head banging music. A little scripture in the morning- a little! Gary Cooper, Barbara Stanwyck, Katherine Hep, Audrey Hep, Marx Bros, Bogie, Brando (do not miss “On the Waterfront”), the Thin Man Series, “Band of Bros (but BEWARE the 9th reel! Porn!) Any musical- “Seven Brides for Seven Brothers”, Casually identify the villian and his fate.

Then look at this HP stuff and just for as long as you can take it. You’ll see.


24 posted on 12/10/2012 11:34:49 PM PST by stanne
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To: artichokegrower
Naming places after outlaws is nothing new for CA, especially northern CA. There are places all over that are named for Joaquin Murrieta, there is a county which bears his name, a defunct power plant and a small town all named after him and just a short distance from here.

He was a vicious killer whose life story was glorified and accepted by many for more than a century, he was portrayed as a victim of gringo violence, unjustly accused etc, etc. Sound familiar? At any rate naming something after a murderous Mexican seems to be a popular pass time in CA. Nothing new.

25 posted on 12/10/2012 11:35:42 PM PST by calex59
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To: stanne

Oh, and I don’t mean that good movies or your favorite flick is a disney fluff piece. Tak YOUR fave. what ever it is. It will be a variation, if it’s not a documentary, on a fairy tale. all the elements being there.

“Dark Knight”, “Red Dawn”, “Kings Speech”, “27 Dresses”, “Hitch”, “The Other Guys” and/or “killers” (my personal favorite, which is an allegory of what to do when people try to break up the family and how a new father has much work to do getting bad elements out of the house to make room for the baby).


26 posted on 12/10/2012 11:41:21 PM PST by stanne
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To: JouleZ
Since I have spoken Spanish for better or worse since the early 70s I am well aware of the varying meanings of pendejo in Spanish speaking cultures where btw...I have also lived in my 20 years as an expat

I was referring to what the actual definition of the word is and trust me..all but the stupidest Spanish speaking illiterates know what that original definition is..a pubic hair./..in particular a dangling one

and btw...the vernacular is not always “dumbass” or “stupid”

it depends on where it used or at times the inflection

it can also mean for example.."prick"...again not literally like a penis..but a "dick" or jerk

I'm sure you get it

27 posted on 12/10/2012 11:50:21 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: JouleZ
Pendejo means a dumba$$ and the term “hanging pubic hair” is so far removed from Spanglish it doesn’t exist. As in we no longer speak the Kings English...

Whatever ... The GOOG offers up a selection of nouns: hijo de puta, pendejo, coño, which would seem to add up to a general idea.

Further, the GOOG defines the Spanish verb pender as "hang, dangle, hang down".

And then there's the Wiktionary, wherein we find the smoking hanging gun:

Noun

pendejo m. (plural pendejos)

  1. A pubic hair

28 posted on 12/10/2012 11:53:22 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: stanne; MetaThought
Have you seen HP or read any of these fantasy books? are they forgettable? do you feel bad when you are done, songing for the next installment, eager to read any thing lood?

Back up. Who is this guy? He is a boy whose boss is dark and who had rejecte dhis adoptive family and who is in no way good. He has no virtue other than relative virtue - he is nice to his friends. that’s regardless of whether they cast spells on people they don’t like.

Thanks for this post. You're right. I've read all the HP books and agree with you. There's nothing transcendent about HP: nothing about him or his coterie touches on what is best and deepest in Western folklore or in the Judeo-Christian tradition.

HP has no center. Perhaps his author designed him that way, as a blank slate onto which the modern child reader (ideally blank, "tolerant" and "open-minded") could project his or her fantasies.

29 posted on 12/11/2012 12:10:58 AM PST by thecodont
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To: cynwoody; wardaddy

You can both translate from the latin...pendar “to hang” but in Spanglish it means “dumbass”. Take it or leave it.

I didn’t make the word into slang...it is what it is and it means “dumbass” or “stupid” or “a$$hole”.

It’s derogatory.... whether or not it’s a hanging pubic hair. It’s derogatory.


30 posted on 12/11/2012 12:12:07 AM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: artichokegrower
The Alisal Union School District confirmed Monday it decided to rename a new school in the Monte Bella neighborhood after a famous bandit, who is seen as a hero by some Mexican-Americans.

Ole!!


31 posted on 12/11/2012 1:05:40 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Bathhouse Barry wants YOU to bend over for another four years)
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To: artichokegrower

The Salinas school is not the first school named for a famous criminal.

32 posted on 12/11/2012 3:21:54 AM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: artichokegrower

If Vasquez has schools named after him, can Al Capone Elementary/High School be far behind? After all, during the Depression Scarface organized soup kitchens and gave money to other charitable causes. I look forward to the statue of Al holding a tommygun outside the school named after him. (snicker)


33 posted on 12/11/2012 3:26:00 AM PST by driftless2
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To: driftless2

Jesse James elementary school
Bill Doolin High
Billy The Kid daycare center


34 posted on 12/11/2012 4:06:58 AM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: calex59

Here in Louisiana, there are a number of places, including a national park and preserve named after Jean Lafitte, who was not exactly a nice guy...


35 posted on 12/11/2012 4:20:05 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: wardaddy

I thought for the last 50 years or so it meant ‘dumb sh!t’ or variations thereof.


36 posted on 12/11/2012 4:33:52 AM PST by x1stcav (Breathe deep the gathering gloom.)
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To: null and void

37 posted on 12/11/2012 4:49:30 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: thecodont

It’s interesting. My stdents are so quick to put down the character, what they know from google, try as I do to keep them from that source for this, of the author ew’re reading from or to say he’s out of it because he lived a long time ago. But they know nothing about the author of thecntemporary book they’re reading. they’ll follow someone’s philosphy whom they know nothing about but who could be a deranged person trying to get kids to follow.

Parents couldn’t care any less about whom their kids are emulating. Parents don’t consider the moral formation of their kids. It’s in convenient - especially in this case when the book is so addicting it takes rehab to get the kids off this stuff.


38 posted on 12/11/2012 4:59:13 AM PST by stanne
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To: artichokegrower

No American thugs available for this honor???


39 posted on 12/11/2012 5:01:58 AM PST by Delta Dawn (The whole truth.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

But he did defend New Orleans against the British, who also were not nice guys. Furthermore, Lafitte reputedly reserved his attentions for the Spanish, which was not an unpopular perspective in Louisiana (French or American).


40 posted on 12/11/2012 5:04:05 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: tumblindice

Barney Frank chipped a tooth on one of those.


41 posted on 12/11/2012 5:14:46 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: tumblindice

Barney Frank chipped a tooth on one of those.


42 posted on 12/11/2012 5:14:53 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: tumblindice

Barney Frank chipped a tooth on one of those.


43 posted on 12/11/2012 5:14:53 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: artichokegrower

Good idea. Why pretend anymore?


44 posted on 12/11/2012 5:19:27 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: lowbridge

Don’t forget Saint Jack the Ripper High.


45 posted on 12/11/2012 5:36:54 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: lowbridge

On a side note, the wife and I visited Billy the Kid’s grave in New Mexico last October. No statues of the Kid though.


46 posted on 12/11/2012 6:51:37 AM PST by driftless2
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To: x1stcav

It does mean dumbass or “prick” or “coward” etc in the vernacular depending where used and how.

But the insult is derived from a word literally meaning a hanging pubic hair.

This was explained to me 3 decades ago by a 2nd generation Cuban now living in Miami who’s dad was the Spanish ambassador to Havana before it fell and who used words like “cono” and “carajo” in every utterance

Cubans curse like Australians


47 posted on 12/11/2012 8:59:31 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: cynwoody
thanks...some folks just like to argue apparently...that would be an understatement about our austere forum eh?

one(she) might have noticed in my original post that I used the phrase:

“actually means”

I suppose had I said “literally means” it might have proved more concise

I appreciate it

48 posted on 12/11/2012 9:04:29 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy

Damn, one learns something new everyday.

Like your tagline.


49 posted on 12/11/2012 10:29:46 AM PST by x1stcav (Breathe deep the gathering gloom.)
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To: artichokegrower

I was hoping for “Black Bart Middle School.” :)


50 posted on 12/11/2012 10:30:56 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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