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This is why the Dems win. We try to box with them and they come into the ring with a flame-thrower. To be fair, do we conservatives deserve to win anything?
1 posted on 12/05/2012 10:37:27 AM PST by pabianice
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The Nuclear Option. No Gang of 16 this time


2 posted on 12/05/2012 10:41:57 AM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To be fair, do we conservatives deserve to win anything?

I don't know about Conservatives; there have never seemed to be many in the Senate. The GOP tends to push them out and weaken them the best it can. As for the GOP, they build their own no win scenarios and lock themselves into them.

3 posted on 12/05/2012 10:42:07 AM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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Until I see Reps. and Senators start showing some spine, start arguing with passion, getting argumentative, being rude, and etc... they’re doing nothing in my eyes.

NOTHING.

If the argument is that an attacking style of leadership by the Right will draw voters away... I’d say it will do the exact opposite.


4 posted on 12/05/2012 10:46:32 AM PST by Made In The USA (I'm not yelling, just... just talking enthusiastically..)
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They still need 67 votes to change the fillibuster rules, right?


5 posted on 12/05/2012 10:46:53 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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...That is very un-American.”

THAT is precisely why they are going to do it and get away with it. The MSM will look the other way. At some point in time, the Republicans will be in the majority and then the Dems will squeal like the stuck pigs that they are........................

6 posted on 12/05/2012 10:48:32 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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This will happen, the rules will change so that the dems will be able to break a fillibuster with a partisan vote...and the gop will help them do it.

HOORAY for leadership!


7 posted on 12/05/2012 10:48:59 AM PST by GilesB
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No.

We have fought for nothing.

Welcome to tyranny.


8 posted on 12/05/2012 10:49:06 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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The damocrats will ignore the Constitution, any law and any rule that gets in the way of turning this country into a socialist nation of takers.


9 posted on 12/05/2012 10:49:35 AM PST by falcon99
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Is there a peaceful way a civil war could happen? Communism is rapidly closing in and we will be a complete dictatorship in a few years. Remember those like Reid that is part of the conversion and when we get back charge those communists with treason.


11 posted on 12/05/2012 10:51:57 AM PST by Logical me
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I don't have any idea how to do it, but the GOP, if it cares, needs to go to guerrilla warfare. Stop Senate business in one or many ways. Find strategies that will completely grind business to a halt. If there are no such ways, they the tyrants have won and it is time to withdraw the consent of the governed.
13 posted on 12/05/2012 10:55:57 AM PST by Truth29
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If the rules were changed permanently I wouldn’t mind. But what gets me is I KNOW when Republicans regain the majority in the Senate Reid will demand the filibuster be restored and he will get his way.

Democrats NEVER have to play by the rules Republicans are forced into.


14 posted on 12/05/2012 10:57:42 AM PST by Dragonspirit (Always remember President Token won only by defecting on his CFR pledge.)
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Handshake..It's more like the finger as the opposition party just caves, cries, concedes and a group of weak men who do not condone conservative members speaking out about cutting the spending off. The Speaker kicked off the conservatives who were speaking out and who refused to follow the party as they want to do. I never seen the republican party clearly in your face to say they do not want to change the government. They claim to be a tent for all voices of the platform. HA! If they don't push back to the socialist, with reason, I hope the GOP burns down and a new party or the conservative wing comes up. These people are weak and mostly crooks, nothing more. Time for reforms.
15 posted on 12/05/2012 10:58:05 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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When the republicans are in power, they all play nice and act like gentlemen statesmen.

When the democrats are in charge they use smash-mouth thug tactics.

When we are in power it's a draw. When they are in power it's a rout.
I suspect this time they are going for the final victory. They are emboldened by the fact that every encroachment has only been met with whining and wringing of hands.
Now with a new term and the wind at their backs is the time to stop inching along and go for the full socialist paradise. They have the president and the senate, the house is bickering internally, and the supreme court is in play.

18 posted on 12/05/2012 11:05:10 AM PST by oldbrowser (Put Obama in check, now.)
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They pay the organizers off to declare their side the winner then throw as few punches as possible because the fix is in anyway.


20 posted on 12/05/2012 11:05:27 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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The only way you can change the rule in this body is through a rule that now says, to change a rule in the Senate rules to break a filibuster still requires 67 votes. You can’t do it with 60. You certainly cannot do it with 51.

Au contraire. Every session of Congress establishes the rules under which it will operate. The Constitution says absolutely nothing about this requiring anything other than a simple majority.

Is what they are planning outrageous, given their objections when they were in the minority?

Sure, but it's neither illegal not unconstitutional.

23 posted on 12/05/2012 11:12:42 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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Well Boehner said he would “dead on arrival” anything sent to the House from the Senate if Reid did this..................Yeah right, I know, screwed again.
24 posted on 12/05/2012 11:13:03 AM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To be fair, do we conservatives deserve to win anything?

Yes we do. Republicans, not necessarily.
26 posted on 12/05/2012 11:16:14 AM PST by Resettozero
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Bingo.

Well, Boehner has said any bills passed by the filibuster-changed Senate are DOA.

Not that this matters to the Obamugabe Cult. It will proceed unabated and unchallenged by the media to destroy liberty, the Constitution, capitalism and Christianity at every possible opportunity.


29 posted on 12/05/2012 11:19:19 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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There will be no purpose for the Senate to exist as a body. Originally it represented the state interests in opposition to the wants of the People. Folks could affect the composition of the Senate by selecting alternate local legislators, where they had more power. The House decides for the People by simple majority. If the Senate amends its structure to mimic the HoR, there is no distinction between the two bodies. The constitutional powers delegated to the states should be given to the HoR and the Senate disbanded.


31 posted on 12/05/2012 11:23:02 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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Definitely have to give the “D’s” credit.
They not only know how to play the game, they play it with vengeance and take no prisoners.

As noted in the article Reid had already been against this.

NOW watch.

If, by some divine intervention and a miracle to top changing water into wine, the R’s WIN in 2014 and take over the Senate, one of the LAST things D’s will do is REVERSE this particular rule - AFTER passing every piece of trash bill that is pending.

THAT, sorrowfully, is the way the R’s are going to have to start playing the game.

This passiveness just makes them look weak and US foolish for allowing them to ‘represent’ us....


33 posted on 12/05/2012 11:24:08 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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