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Depressing Curtain for Russian Naval Power: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov Fails Her Sea Trials
Jamestown Foundation Eurasia Daily Monitor ^ | 11/30/2012 | Jacob W. Kipp

Posted on 11/30/2012 10:55:25 PM PST by bruinbirdman

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1 posted on 11/30/2012 10:55:44 PM PST by bruinbirdman
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Interesting... A ship, named for a “He” is referred to as a “She.”


2 posted on 11/30/2012 11:24:29 PM PST by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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Aren’t ships always “She” ?


3 posted on 11/30/2012 11:32:23 PM PST by MetaThought
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Ships are “she” in most Western-sourced navies (like India), but are “he” in the Russian navy.

And this failure is all because Russia has apparently never heard of stone felt. As bad as Indians are at things like large-scale project planning, at this point I’d have to imagine that even an Indian shipyard could have done this better than the Russians are.


4 posted on 12/01/2012 12:40:34 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Also, the [Admiral] Nimitz is a “she” too, among others.


5 posted on 12/01/2012 12:43:02 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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Given that all Soviet heavy aircraft carriers like the Admiral Gorshkov had been built at Nikolaev in the Ukraine, the task before Sevmash was a major one.

The problem with the boilers arose because India had asked the Russians to replace their regular asbestos heat shield on the ship’s boilers because of the risk of poisoning to the crew.

The two causes for the failure are attributable to the inability of a society to quickly return to competence after the imposition, and inevitable collapse, of Communism/socialism.

Communism destroyed the industrial prowess of Russia, thus substandard facilities, but a simple "Nyet" on India's demand for socialist correct, physically unsound technology, would have saved the effort.

It's a long road back from Communism, maybe longer than any can travel.

6 posted on 12/01/2012 2:18:21 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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I know ships are “she,” but it’s strange reading it... “Admiral Sergei fails in her sea trials.” Sort of like a boy named Sue...


7 posted on 12/01/2012 2:50:05 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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Russians refer to their ships in the male form.


8 posted on 12/01/2012 4:02:00 AM PST by SkyPilot
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We should slip in and sell them the Enterprise.


9 posted on 12/01/2012 4:08:18 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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Seems as though they should rename it “Potemkin”


10 posted on 12/01/2012 4:10:50 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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Asbestos is a miracle product when used correctly.

The problem with the boilers arose because India had asked the Russians to replace their regular asbestos heat shield on the ship’s boilers because of the risk of poisoning to the crew. Sevmash had created a construction bureau for boiler installation that chose special fire bricks to replace the asbestos. After the failure, the inspectors discovered that the fire bricks had broken down under the high temperatures around the boilers. The question of damage to the boilers themselves from overheating would not be clear until the ship was towed back to Severodvinsk for inspection (Kommersant, September 17).

11 posted on 12/01/2012 5:21:15 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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Is the vessel diesel powered?


12 posted on 12/01/2012 5:37:23 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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Well. Finally some good news for a change.


13 posted on 12/01/2012 5:43:33 AM PST by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do anything you want, as long as it's mandatory.)
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Tough to run a boiler with a diesel.


14 posted on 12/01/2012 5:54:40 AM PST by j_tull
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In 1986 the Russian's had a record potato harvest, most of the "excess" rotted on barges near Moscow, because they could not make a cheap paperbox for dried potatotes. Their military was always able to make a few great products, but now they are going the way of paper boxes...too bad our CIA didn't figure it out before 1989 - Wall came down, or Iran builds a bomb. Someone cry HELP for what we spend on "intellegence."

Maybe we can figure out how to match our spending to the actual threats of our enemies. BTW - didn' t the Russians sell the Chinese an aircarft carrier, they would copy, and use for their navy? good luck with that.

15 posted on 12/01/2012 5:57:46 AM PST by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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Ok....I get it. Bunker oil is burned to heat the boilers to generate the steam to turn the turbines.

What I should have asked is the shp nuclear powered?


16 posted on 12/01/2012 5:58:05 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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“The Kiev-class heavy aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov, completed in the late 1980s,”

Hmm...produced back in the days when they had splinters in their toilet paper, and from the same nation that placed a hammer beside the shifter to pound the tank into high gear... The Indians would have been better off to build their own....


17 posted on 12/01/2012 6:14:11 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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“...Nimitz is a “she” too,...”

A very fine “she” too! Go Navy!


18 posted on 12/01/2012 6:15:57 AM PST by cameraeye (A happy kuffir!)
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"We should slip in and sell them the Enterprise."

Now that is a capitol idea. I wonder what the Indians would think of the ship and would Obama ever allow such a sale to a democratic country?

19 posted on 12/01/2012 6:18:54 AM PST by Truth29
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Ships are “she” in most Western-sourced navies (like India), but are “he” in the Russian navy.

So, this ship's a tranny.

20 posted on 12/01/2012 6:29:52 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (By doubting we come to inquiry, and through inquiry we perceive truth. -; Peter Abelard)
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