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US-Led NATO Intervention Begins In Syria War: Patriots In Turkey
Debkfiles ^ | November 27, 2012, 9:47

Posted on 11/29/2012 9:53:33 AM PST by drewh

Tuesday, the Middle East military spotlight swung around from Gaza to the Syrian war with steps for the start of US and NATO intervention in that conflict. Without spelling this out, a game changer began unfolding when a joint Turkish-NATO team began making a site survey for the deployment of Patriot Air and Missile Defense Systems, manned by American military teams. The team, said the statement from Ankara, will assess where to station the missiles and how many would be needed. It reiterated that the system is “for defensive purposes” and not for a “no-fly zone or offensive operations,” but just for use “against an air or missile threat from Syria.” However, the Patriots in combination with already installed elements of the missile shield, will command an area beyond the Turkish-Syrian border - all of northern Syria up to and including the embattled towns of Aleppo and Homs, military sources report. Their presence will impede the operations of Assad’s most effective and lethal means of war against the rebels in that region – air force bombardment. The positioning of US anti-missile missiles in Turkey coincides with the rebels’ success in destroying the Assad regime’s key air and radar stations in southern Syria and along the Jordanian border. The two thrusts add up to a coordinated military effort in northern and southern Syria to seize control of the skies in both regions from Assad’s control and push his forces back into central Syria. A part of the US-Turkish plan affects Israel. Monday, debkafile reported exclusively that in a resounding blow to Bashar Assad's ability to fight external enemies, Syrian rebels had destroyed the Assad regime’s most important electronic warning radar station facing Israel – M-1 – Monday, Nov. 26.

This Russian-built station monitored Israeli warplanes' takeoff and landing activities at air bases in the Negev and Hatzerim in the south and tracked them up to the Syrian border. The facility was designed to guide Syrian missiles targeting any point on the Israeli map, in sync with air defense facilities south of Damascus and on the Golan Heights. The radar’s range also covered naval movements in Mediterranean waters off the shores of Israel and Lebanon. Western military sources said that the destruction of this vital facility has blinded the two eyes which Syrian air, air defense and missile forces had trained on Israel. It has therefore crippled, though not completely dismantled, Bashar Assad’s ability to got to war against Israel, Jordan or Saudi Arabia. M-1 radar also swept all parts of Jordan and northern Saudi Arabia where the important Tabuk air base is situated. Deployed there in addition to the Saudi Air Force are French fighter-bombers ready to go to war against Syria. M-1 also relayed current data on Israeli military movements to Hizballah and would have been a vital source of intelligence in a potential Lebanese Shiites offensive against the Jewish state. The Syrian ruler and his spokesmen have frequently threatened since the eruption of the popular insurrection that if Assad had his back to the wall, the entire Middle East would go up in flames, especially Israel.

In the last two days, the Syrian rebels have made additional gains: They were able to capture areas abutting on the Jordanian border, excepting only the Ramtha border crossing. They also seized the Marj al-Sultan military air field southeast of Damascus and adjoining Syrian Army 4th Brigade bases. Most of the men of the 82nd Infantry Brigade guarding M-1 were killed in the fighting, fled or were taken prisoner. Our military sources notes that after M-1, the Assad regime still retains two key radar stations: M-2 in Shanshar south of Homs, which covers central and northern Syria; and M-3 near Latakia which keeps an eye on the northern region up to the Turkish border and the eastern Mediterranean up to Cyprus. All three radar stations were linked to the Syrian general staff, air force, air defense, missile and navy operations rooms and fed them the essential real-time intelligence data needed for decision-making at the highest level. However, the loss of M-1 seriously hampers the Syria army’s capacity to take on Israel or Jordan.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; Syria; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cyprus; debka; europeanunion; iran; israel; jordan; kurdistan; lebanon; nato; russia; saudiarabia; syria; turkey; waronterror

1 posted on 11/29/2012 9:53:40 AM PST by drewh
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To: drewh

Russia won’t let this stand.


2 posted on 11/29/2012 9:59:15 AM PST by moovova
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To: drewh

Debka is such a big question mark to me.

I can’t really say that it’s reports can be taken seriously.

I may be off base here, but that’s my take on it at this point.


3 posted on 11/29/2012 10:00:56 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: moovova

The problem is, if this is in fact true..., Obama has no clue what he’s doing. This guy could goose step us into a global confrontation through his ignorance.

Frankly I’d love the see the snot-nosed punk get his clock cleaned, but then it would be the clock of the United States too.

What a dilemma.


4 posted on 11/29/2012 10:03:35 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“Obama has no clue what he’s doing. This guy could goose step us into a global confrontation through his ignorance.”

Obama just pawn in game of life.


5 posted on 11/29/2012 10:08:34 AM PST by dljordan (Voltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: DoughtyOne

If true, it adds to the evidence that buhrock is really getting into this warfare thing, drone strikes by computer, presidential hit lists, and military technology to subject others to his power, for good or ill. Yes, he is certainly getting the hang of things.

All this, while we all sit around amazed he won an election ground game. Just target and fire what you’ve got at your disposal.


6 posted on 11/29/2012 10:17:46 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: dljordan

Unfortunately, he’s a willing pawn.


7 posted on 11/29/2012 10:20:38 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: RitaOK

I’m pretty much on board your comments, but I’m not sure what you intended here.

“Just target and fire what you’ve got at your disposal.”


8 posted on 11/29/2012 10:32:17 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: drewh

NATO going to war for Turkey, that’s just rich.


9 posted on 11/29/2012 10:33:51 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

You know that Turkey is a member of NATO, right?


10 posted on 11/29/2012 10:40:06 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: dfwgator

King Jan is spinning in his grave.

But if the reports of the russian-built M-! radar bing knocked out are true, now begins a better chance for Israel to get at Iran.


11 posted on 11/29/2012 10:43:25 AM PST by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Yehuda

Which may be why it was knocked out...if it was. That is, you do something for me - knock out a radar - and we can do something for you (maybe serious weapons??).


12 posted on 11/29/2012 10:54:57 AM PST by elhombrelibre
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To: 1rudeboy
You know that Turkey is a member of NATO, right?

Unfortunately, yes.

13 posted on 11/29/2012 10:58:23 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: moovova

Debka is not a reliable source.


14 posted on 11/29/2012 11:02:32 AM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb

I’m sure Turkey would go to war for us—if, for example, we got into a conflict with Iraq, Turkey would let us transit their country and would contribute troops to the fracas...

(sarc/off)


15 posted on 11/29/2012 11:23:12 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: DoughtyOne

To answer you question I was trying to say that on every single front, including warfare and drone strikes and public education and election ground games that get out the vote, the Marxist movement “targets and fires”, targeting precincts with better, faster and more influential tools, just as they at a more patient pace targeted American education and schools for decades, with no pushback whatsoever, and out of the schools, universities, and academia, they have launched a successful mission over time to target our institutions, capitalism, religion and military. Like a road map they have ordered their approach to dismantle our traditions, in layers.

Marxists simply target and dare to fire. With no measurable resistance they fire again, in layers, and over a period of time they have rebuilt thinking.

Now Obama sits on top of all these effective social, political and economical gains made and translates that power into targeting humans with drone attacks, as if it were a computer game. He is the sole decider on who is taken out, you know.

Syria seems to be a new target for firing up US military intervention. Why? Because he can.

I hope you get my drift. Thx. Rita


16 posted on 11/29/2012 11:32:46 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: jpsb

“Debka is not a reliable source.”

I hope in this case...they’re outright liars.

I hope.


17 posted on 11/29/2012 12:11:59 PM PST by moovova
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To: elhombrelibre; SJackson; HiTech RedNeck; AppyPappy; Allegra; Alamo-Girl

“Which may be why it was knocked out...if it was. That is, you do something for me - knock out a radar - and we can do something for you (maybe serious weapons??).”

imho, Israel isn’t going to help arm the sunnis against Assad.

a/ the sunnis don’t need Israel’s arms.

b/ Assad would DEFINITELY let loose on Israel as part of his last gasp.

c/ Israel might consider going for it (arming the sunnis) if they were 99% confident Assad couldn’t do anything at the very end, because it would it would seriously f*ck with the arab’s heads if they did help to bring him down... but they are SO VERY geographically close to take a chance that he doesn’t have some hidden Armageddon plan of his own...).

Also, they’ve been burned before helping one jihadi group against another...

Now if you are implying some SERIOUS Debka*, i.e., the REVERSE, that the Israelis actually took out that M-1 radar for the rebels (and for Israel’s later attack against iran), letting the rebels get credit for it in exchange for additional U.S. / Euro/ Sunni support for the iran strike, now we are talking SERIOUS tin foil... ( : >)

But stranger things have happened...

* add “SERIOUS Debka” to the lexicon...( : >)


18 posted on 11/29/2012 11:42:41 PM PST by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Yehuda

Thanks for the ping!


19 posted on 11/30/2012 9:41:03 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Debka should be sold on the supermarket checkstand. Thanks drewh.


20 posted on 12/01/2012 8:33:56 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: DoughtyOne; SunkenCiv; TigersEye; Marine_Uncle; onyx; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; ...
Debbka always seemed more accurate when it reported on actions close to home....this is close to their home base.

We do need to see if we can find any verification ...but I do remember than when we moved some troops out of Iraq some special units went into Jordan,...on the Syrian border.

Been some time ago.

And French fighter jets stationed in Saudi Arabia...maybe that could be verified...

21 posted on 12/01/2012 10:38:22 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: moovova

——Russia won’t let this stand.-———

Yes they will.

They will mouth platitudes and perhaps threats but will actually do nothing.


22 posted on 12/01/2012 11:20:50 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: All
From Oct 12, 2012 BBC Report:

Syria plane carried radar parts, not weapons - Russia

Very recent report from the BBC....FR Thread :

Syria rebels build momentum with tactical successes

BBC ^ | 27 November 2012 Last updated at 07:44 ET
Posted on Sat 01 Dec 2012 11:04:29 PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

23 posted on 12/01/2012 11:26:15 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The RSAF have a mix of European built, as well as US built military aircraft. F15 Eagles, Tornado, other. Not much shows up in searches on just what they have that is actually maintained.


24 posted on 12/01/2012 11:41:52 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (I'm going John Galt.... But. Honor must be earned.)
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To: drewh

First we pay to help anti-American fundamentalists destabilize a secular government, THEN we pay to defend a less and less secular Muslim country against them.

And we’re bankrupt.

Besides Africa or the Balkans, I cannot imagine a scenario more richly deserving complete American inaction. What we need in the Syrian crisis is POPCORN —no good guys there, no glory, NOTHING.


25 posted on 12/01/2012 11:55:35 AM PST by gaijin
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To: drewh

First we pay to help anti-American fundamentalists destabilize a secular government, THEN we pay to defend a less and less secular Muslim country against them.

And we’re bankrupt.

Besides Africa or the Balkans, I cannot imagine a scenario more richly deserving complete American inaction. What we need in the Syrian crisis is POPCORN —no good guys there, no glory, NOTHING.


26 posted on 12/01/2012 11:56:00 AM PST by gaijin
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