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Lance Armstrong Cheated to Win. Why is that Wrong?
Reason.com ^ | 17 Nov 2010 | Nick Gillespie

Posted on 11/20/2012 12:11:09 PM PST by Notary Sojac

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I'm not endorsing all of what is said here. It does challenge my POV and think it's worth the read.
1 posted on 11/20/2012 12:11:14 PM PST by Notary Sojac
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As long as they could conduct a test, and make a determination...thus showing proof...I was agreeable to the whole “game”. This current episode with Armstrong revolves around just listening to twenty-odd guys say he doped....but you can’t use a single test to validate what they said.

To me....there’s something wrong here. Why bother with dope-testing anymore? Let’s just let your team-mates identify you as a doper, and that would be enough to toss you out of your sport.

I will say this in my own beliefs...I could see Armstrong winning two races in a row. But statistically, for a guy to keep his body in that form for more than two years? I’m not buying that either.


2 posted on 11/20/2012 12:15:36 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: Notary Sojac

2 words: French jealousy!


3 posted on 11/20/2012 12:17:51 PM PST by getarope (Time for the repubs to grow some balls and STOP the Kenyan in his tracks NOW!)
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To: Notary Sojac

College students today have a saying—if you’re not cheatin’, you’re not tryn’. It seems Lance may be the originator of that little gem.


4 posted on 11/20/2012 12:19:35 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Notary Sojac

It works for Democrats, doesn’t it?


5 posted on 11/20/2012 12:22:00 PM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Be careful of believing something just because you want it to be true.)
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To: Notary Sojac

If cheating is widespread in a sport, and it is/was in cycling, then by definition the dominant players are cheating.

Nobody is good enough “naturally” to compete with and win against someone almost as naturally good who has his finger on the scale with drugs.


6 posted on 11/20/2012 12:22:09 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Notary Sojac

The biggest problem is that Lance was so scorched earth in his own defense. He crushed a lot of people on his path of insisting he was 100% clean, then it turns out he was the liar the whole time.

On the overall thing, I’ve always felt the doping rules in various sports are kind of silly. There’s so much drive to do them, and the dopers are always so far ahead of the enforcers causing most of the folks to get caught so far later. I guess because most of it is illegal they really can’t have them not against the rules. But by the same token when you look up how many cycling and track “wins” were expunged years later because stored samples finally failed it does make these entire sports seem rather silly. Get to the bottom of this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_at_the_Tour_de_France
really look at that list of wins that now never happened and explain to me why anybody should pay attention to the results. Who really thinks the 2011 and 2012 “winners” will still be counted as winning 10 years from now? Not me.


7 posted on 11/20/2012 12:22:29 PM PST by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: Notary Sojac

Is eating four eggs every morning for breakfast while training and racing okay? Or should competitive athletes be limited to, say, two eggs at breakfast?

How ‘bout 100 eggs per day?


8 posted on 11/20/2012 12:23:42 PM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: getarope
4 words: You're wrong and silly.
9 posted on 11/20/2012 12:24:03 PM PST by Vision (Obama is king of the "Takers." Don't be a "Taker.")
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To: Notary Sojac

Kill 300 Mexicans and two cops? FINE..! But take a little GH for a stronger swing, and you’ll be blinking under the kleig lights on Capitol Hill FO SHO.

Kill some SEALS and burn a Consulate? Steal and election..? FINE..! But take a little GH to pedal like mad, and they’ll just burn you down.

THINGS ARE NUTS THESE DAYS AND FOLKS CAN’T SEE IT.


10 posted on 11/20/2012 12:24:47 PM PST by gaijin
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I won’t chalenge your POV if you gas up my GOV! Anyway, This guy should be a comedy writer. I always thought “personal assistants” assisted others because they had no personality of their own. I stand corrected...this guy is pretty awesome and finally gives a realistic aspect to all of this!


11 posted on 11/20/2012 12:25:20 PM PST by gr8eman (Ron Swanson for President!)
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You’re right. It’s always good to take a step outside of the establishment’s box. If all the media is blabbing the same crap, we might want to step back and apply some independent critical thinking.


12 posted on 11/20/2012 12:25:25 PM PST by all the best (`~!)
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To: Notary Sojac

I won’t challenge your POV if you gas up my GOV! Anyway, This guy should be a comedy writer. I always thought “personal assistants” assisted others because they had no personality of their own. I stand corrected...this guy is pretty awesome and finally gives a realistic aspect to all of this!


13 posted on 11/20/2012 12:25:41 PM PST by gr8eman (Ron Swanson for President!)
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To: Notary Sojac
The article is indeed well written, but the author mixes up a few things. I don't think drugs are per se bad and I suspect that the rules about drugs in cycling are arbitrary and stupid. However, early on, Lance Armstrong had a choice. He could have admitted years ago that he and almost every other cyclist used drugs, thereby challenging the industry to change its rules. Yes, he would have sacrificed a great deal by telling the truth, yet tell the truth is what he should have done. Instead, he strenuously denied using drugs and those lies helped propel him to international fame and fortune. Yes, his foundation has done a great deal of good, but he also has become rich. Besides, the ends don't justify the means. The rules may have been stupid, but Armstrong effectively endorsed those stupid rules when he for years swore he has adhered to them. Now that he has been exposed as a liar, his supporters point out the stupidity of the rules as a reason not to condemn Armstrong. Sorry, I am not buying it. Lance Armstrong is a great athlete, but he is a bad human being.
14 posted on 11/20/2012 12:27:58 PM PST by utahagen
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To: Notary Sojac

It all boils down to ‘he said-she said’ and no evidence one way or another, on either continent........


15 posted on 11/20/2012 12:30:05 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger
Nope. You're not familiar with this. Armstrong is guilty as hell and there's all the evidence in the world.
17 posted on 11/20/2012 12:35:07 PM PST by Vision (Obama is king of the "Takers." Don't be a "Taker.")
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“It all boils down to ‘he said-she said’ and no evidence one way or another, on either continent........”

Same as the first OJ trial, right?


18 posted on 11/20/2012 12:37:31 PM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Vision

Was there ever any real scientific test done by an objective third party to prove his guilt?..........


19 posted on 11/20/2012 12:37:35 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: treetopsandroofs

The prosecution had scientific test data. The jury was as ignorant, stupid and biased as an Obama voter......


20 posted on 11/20/2012 12:39:38 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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