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Is Black Friday edging out Thanksgiving? (Shoppers started camping out last week)
CNN ^ | 11/18/12 | Bob Greene

Posted on 11/18/2012 1:17:47 PM PST by Libloather

Is Black Friday edging out Thanksgiving?
By Bob Greene, CNN Contributor
updated 10:27 AM EST, Sun November 18, 2012

(CNN) -- The debate over whether the hand-to-hand-combat excesses of Black Friday represent a grotesque over-commercialization of the holiday season has lost its meaning.

The point is no longer whether or not Black Friday tarnishes the holidays.

The point is that Black Friday has become a holiday of its own.

It will arrive again this week, even as Americans are still sitting at their Thanksgiving dinner tables. Black Friday -- with its door-buster sales, hordes of frenzied shoppers shoving for position, employees nervously waiting for the onslaught -- has shrugged off the confines of its name and has now established squatters' rights on Thursday.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: black; blackfriday; friday; retail; thanksgiving
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To: Libloather
Since the children were small I have been bought and wrapped by Thanksgiving. No one tells me what to buy through ads.

Thanksgiving afternoon, the basket of Christmas books come out, and that evening the first of the Christmas stories were read. After children were in bed, we would put on the classical Christmas music, and I would begin the writing of the Christmas cards. Used to write close to a hundred, each with a personal note keeping in touch with favorite people and tell those we loved what they mean, and how truly thankful we were. One year for fun, we had a fresh baby. So I was Mary, Dad was Joseph Eldest was Angel, Second was shepard with stuffed lamb and youngest was King. and of course the fresh baby was the Christ child in the manger.

Fun times.

From Thanksgiving until Christmas, we decorated, made cookies, and opened Advent calendars. The only shopping besides food that we did was as a family for a needy family. And it was all done within a background of Christmas music that was about the Season, and stories about the Christmas. We owned and watched selected Christmas movies together each year. I cry at the Claymation ones from the sixties, for my grandmother and I watched them every year together.

We would cut a fresh tree each year and decorated in a magnificent fashion. Not only traditional ornaments, but souvenirs from trips, special booties and shoes and toys and jewelry were all on the tree. More of a memory tree.Everything on it had meaning.

Of course on Christmas eve we had special food, and tea and tea cakes while Luke was read. Then everyone was off to bed. In the morning, no one was allowed to go downstairs until every one was up in Mom and Dads room. Dad would check to see if everything was ok ( and turn on the Christmas lights and music) and we would all pray then troop downstairs to another wonderful Christmas Day!

51 posted on 11/18/2012 4:50:17 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Libloather
I haven't been able to buy a Christmas present for anyone for 3 years.

Who are these camper-outers?

52 posted on 11/18/2012 4:53:09 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: MD Expat in PA

I shopped at Walmart last year after Thanksgiving dinner and it was a blast. Am looking forward to doing it again this year with a friend.


53 posted on 11/18/2012 4:56:02 PM PST by Ciexyz (already)
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To: Ciexyz

I’ll be doing my bit for the economy on Thursday evening. Walgreen’s is always open.


54 posted on 11/18/2012 4:59:57 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: sheana

Seeing this story makes me glad that I have to work Friday until 5. I miss the entire thing.


55 posted on 11/18/2012 5:07:04 PM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: Ciexyz
I shopped at Walmart last year after Thanksgiving dinner and it was a blast. Am looking forward to doing it again this year with a friend.

Back in 2010, after being out of work for more than a year, the very first job I got was a part time seasonal job at Target. Of course I had to work Black Friday but then I was just so grateful to have a job, any job and was even more appreciative to work the Black Friday shift starting at Midnight because we were paid a .60 per hour holiday premium. And I have to say that the management at the Target store where I worked at showed their appreciation by providing food (breakfast, lunch and dinner), snacks, Christmas cookies and drinks that entire weekend and after the Christmas season was over, we all got $10 gift cards. I worked my but off (I worked the sales floor – stocking, helping customers, working a cash register when the lines got long) but I actually enjoyed it, especially working the toy aisle. On Black Friday I was assigned to help with crowd control – stationed to help move the line along in an orderly fashion and help customers or answer their questions. I had never been shopping on Black Friday myself but I was very impressed with how organized this store was. A few customers complained about the long lines but most told me they were very pleased with how fast the lines moved and how orderly it was.

56 posted on 11/18/2012 5:31:58 PM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: MD Expat in PA

Target is very active in promoting its sales on Facebook. They want to draw in customers and give them a good shopping experience. Good to hear that they treat their holiday employees well. As for all the big box stores like K-Mart, Walmart, etc., I try to hit them all at least once during the holiday shopping season.


57 posted on 11/18/2012 6:00:56 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: CatherineofAragon

God help us.it keeps getting worse,


58 posted on 11/18/2012 7:20:25 PM PST by primrose (PRIMROSE)
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To: CatherineofAragon

God help us.it keeps getting worse,


59 posted on 11/18/2012 7:20:31 PM PST by primrose (PRIMROSE)
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To: CatherineofAragon

God help us.it keeps getting worse,


60 posted on 11/18/2012 7:20:31 PM PST by primrose (PRIMROSE)
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To: Ciexyz
Target is very active in promoting its sales on Facebook. They want to draw in customers and give them a good shopping experience.

Especially those looking for homosexual agenda promoting T shirts.

61 posted on 11/18/2012 7:47:48 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: lacrew
This is what is published in the school calendar.

I had to walk across the room to check ours after reading that.

Our school district also has "Winter Break" written across the last part of December and first of January, but "Christmas Day" is clearly written on the 25th. I can't really complain about the term "winter break" because that's what it is -- spanning across two major winter holidays.

Thanksgiving holiday (two days) is labeled as just that.

Spring break here is nowhere close to Easter.

The one really politically correct thing is that "KWANZA" is labeled on December 26th. Probably no one within 200 miles of here celebrates that (if anyone).

62 posted on 11/18/2012 7:54:33 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: Libloather

This is what happens when people don’t have jobs, and are getting government checks. They have nothing better to do with their lives than sit out in line for a week.

Of course, if they got a minimum wage job for the hours they sit in this line, they’d make a lot more money than they could possibly save, and they’d be able to use it to buy what they want, not whatever the sale item is at Best Buy.

What I like to do is show up somewhere after the opening, and see if I can grab a sale on something I actually needed. Actually, last year what I decided I liked to do was to sleep in late, and then work on the christmas lights.


63 posted on 11/18/2012 8:02:01 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Sacajaweau

Some of the black friday deals really are good, and if I could be sure to get them, I would happily get up early and drive to the store. But I won’t wait for hours in line for a mere chance.

Interestingly, I find these sales are discouraging. If I know something was on a black friday sale, I can’t bring myself to buy it later for more money, because I KNOW I could have gotten it cheaper.


64 posted on 11/18/2012 8:07:09 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: max americana

I’ll admit I found it fun last year to try to grab the Amazon quick-deals. It was like a game, but I’m going to try to avoid that this year because I still have a few things in my house in boxes from last year, because I never used them.


65 posted on 11/18/2012 8:09:23 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: max americana

Ahhhh.....lots of wine and then throw them all out. ;)


66 posted on 11/18/2012 8:11:18 PM PST by sheana
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To: steve86

KWANZA. The holiday brought to you through the courtesy of the FBI.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1754842/posts


67 posted on 11/18/2012 8:24:55 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: sheana
Thanksgiving at our house will be the same one we have celebrated since I can remember. House full of great smells, Sage Dressing, Turkey, lots of hugs. There will be no mass celebration of some retailers trying too sell us stuff we don't really need. Christmas has changed at our house in that we do not exchange gifts for Adults. Any little ones will be treated, but our day will consist of the same meal, and remembrance of loved ones now departed. No commercialism.
68 posted on 11/18/2012 8:25:47 PM PST by BooBoo1000 ( Your life is like a coin, you can spend it on what ever you want, but you can only spend it once.)
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To: BooBoo1000

It is the same here. About 10 yrs ago I put my foot down and said ‘STOP’ with Christmas. We only buy for the kids. Christmas Eve we have a large open house for family and friends....tamales, rice, and beans with drinks, kids and all. We usually have about 40 people here and everyone loves it. Christmas Day is a great dinner with family.
I used to hate Christmas but loved Thanksgiving. Now I love the holidays all the way through.


69 posted on 11/18/2012 8:33:27 PM PST by sheana
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To: Libloather

Black Friday on Thursday; 50% off sales on Saturday because holiday sales will already be so bad.


70 posted on 11/18/2012 8:58:12 PM PST by moovova
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I cannot imagine trying to shop in such a crowd.

Have none of these people heard of the internet? I buy through WalMart’s web site quite frequently. You can get it delivered to your door or to the store. There’s not a sale in the world worth messing with a bunch of crazy people for.


71 posted on 11/18/2012 9:32:53 PM PST by radiohead (Taxmaggeddon - are you ready?)
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To: Rashputin
I wonder what is worth standing in queue for so long for?

Another TV? a little bigger or with some "better definition" that practically no one can make out the difference?

Quite frankly I go to electronic centers and can't see anything that I'd want to buy -- i'm happy enough with my 5 year old MP3 player and 6 year old DVD/CD music player.

i'll buy books yeah, but more than that, i'd rather spend time with people I care about.

People who worship Mammon realise that Mammon doesn't satisfy..

72 posted on 11/19/2012 3:58:39 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: stanne; Rashputin
Even doggies :)

funny story -- we got a puppy last year and for a few months I went nuts and bought expensive puppy toys. She played with all of them just for some time and got fed up. But the thing she loves the best and never tires of is any stick she finds :) Free, yet satisfying

And people are the same -- the best things in life ARE free

73 posted on 11/19/2012 4:03:54 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: stanne
I didn't know about the Cure of Ars -- thank you for pointing out that information. I found this on wikipedia
As parish priest, Vianney realized that the Revolution's aftermath had resulted in religious ignorance, due to the destruction of the Catholic Church in France. At the time, Sundays in rural areas were spent working in the fields, or dancing and drinking in taverns. Vianney was astonished, especially since Sundays were meant to be reserved for religion.

74 posted on 11/19/2012 4:31:11 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Libloather

I look forward to the Friday afternoon news hilights of all the mob rushes, tramplings, stabbings, tazings and arrests.

I have no sympathy for these idiots. I don’t care if silver-haired grannie is trampled to death. She got in line, she takes her chances.


75 posted on 11/19/2012 7:05:46 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: jimbo123

No sympathy.
She got in line, she takes her chances with the rest.


76 posted on 11/19/2012 7:06:59 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: Cronos

Coincidentally, here is something recently written and said by Cardinal Dolan:

“. . .We work at giving our people good examples of humble, repentant pastors, aware of our own personal and corporate sins, constantly responding to the call of Jesus to interior conversion. Remember the Curé of Ars? When a concerned group of his worried supporters came to him with a stinging protest letter from a number of parishioners, demanding the bishop to remove John Vianney as their curé, claiming he was a sinner, ignorant, and awkward, St. John Vianney took the letter, read it carefully ... and signed the petition!”


77 posted on 11/19/2012 7:22:40 AM PST by stanne
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To: Libloather; carlo3b; mickie
I wonder how these people have the strength to hurry off to the mall right after Thanksgiving dinner! They must serve pizza, cole slaw and Pepsi for dinner to honor the holiday.

In my experience going way back till the present.....after the family has gone home, the rest of the night is spent rinsing the dishes in the sink, scraping the gravy-encrusted plates, laboring over the big, grease-laden roasting pan, denuding the turkey carcass and wrapping and loading the infinite variety of leftovers into the fridge, not to mention soaking the tablecloth for overnight to take out any wine or cranberry stains.

Then fall into bed from UTTER EXHAUSTION after 3 solid days of shopping and prep work for the big day. Who on earth but an addled shopaholic wants to haul off to the mall after all this????

This is all in good humor, of course, although perfectly true. To me all the work associated with putting on a Thanksgiving dinner is a labor of love for family togetherness and religious gratitude.....and it provides me and most folks, I'm sure, with psychological satisfactions no amount of avaricious, frenzied shopping at WalMart or Target can ever duplicate.

Leni

78 posted on 11/19/2012 8:01:25 AM PST by MinuteGal (Tuesday, November 6, 2012.....A Day that will Live in Infamy)
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To: Chickensoup

That sounds beautiful!! I wish we had such special times when I was growing up! But thakfully, I now have an 18 month old of my own & intend to make some great memories!! Thaks for sharing yours!


79 posted on 11/20/2012 12:41:16 PM PST by JMKirnan
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To: JMKirnan

I just reread the post. We were dressed that year as the Holy Family for our annual christmas picture which we sent to friends and family


80 posted on 11/20/2012 2:05:31 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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