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Election 2012 Marks the End of Evangelical Dominance in Politics
The Atlantic ^ | 11/13/2012 | Jonathan Merritt

Posted on 11/16/2012 4:57:28 AM PST by darrellmaurina

Ever since Ronald Reagan was elected president in 1980, evangelicals have been a powerful political force. Jerry Falwell and his Moral Majority organization were credited in part with Reagan's election, having registered millions of evangelicals to vote. Their influence would only grow over the next 25 years: Evangelicals were instrumental in Reagan's reelection, the Republican Revolution of 1994, and both of George W. Bush's victories. But on November 6, 2012, their reign came to an end.

"I think this [election] was an evangelical disaster," Albert Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, told NPR. He's right, but it wasn't for lack of trying.

The late Falwell's Liberty University gave former governor Mitt Romney its keynote spot at its 2012 commencement and backed off previous language calling Mormonism a "cult." Billy Graham uncharacteristically threw his support behind the Republican candidate, and his evangelistic association bought full-page newspaper ads all but endorsing Romney. Ralph Reed's Faith and Freedom Coalition spent tens of millions in battleground states to get out the religious vote.

As a result, 79 percent of white evangelicals voted for Romney on Tuesday. That's the same percentage that Bush received in 2004, and more than Senator John McCain received in 2008. The evangelical vote was 27 percent of the overall electorate -- the highest it's ever been for an election.

Their support wasn't enough. Not only did Obama win soundly, but four states voted to allow same-sex marriage.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obama; romney; santorum
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To: NKP_Vet

Actually those who identify as Catholic voted for Obama, no one assigns the label Catholic except for the Roman catholic church, many people leave the church but the church still counts them as Catholics, yet for our political discussion, we know that pollsters only count those Catholics who still personally identify as Catholic.

There is no reason to assume that JFK was pro-life, we do know that his stealing the election has destroyed America as we inport 10s of millions of Roman Catholics to replace the American losses of the denomination, and to keep the democrat party alive and liberal.

Episcopalians are not Evangelicals and we don’t know how that denomination votes, we do know that while the Catholic denomination voted 54% for abortion and Obama in 2008, the next largest denomination, the Southern Baptists, voted 80% pro-life and republican.

The 2 largest denominations in America, and two very different votes.


41 posted on 11/17/2012 9:41:22 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Clemenza

Catholic bash till you are blue in the face, but it’s Catholics that refuse to ordain sodomites, allow abortion and let women preach from the pulpits. The Catholic Church is the biggest Christian church in the world, the biggest Christian Church in the United States. There are more lapsed Catholics (ones that don’t follow their faith) than there are Bible-thumping evangelicals that have turned the Bible into a mockery by allowing open homosexuals to preach and women to preach and take no official stance on murdering the unborn. The liberal media and liberal democrat party has tried to destroy conservatism and Biblical principles and they have certainly been successful with the 30 some thousand alphabet protestant “churches” around the country. They have aided and abedded in trying to make a mockery of the word of God. Why in the world do you think so many protestants are leaving these protestant faiths and coming into the Catholic Church? Well let me tell you. These people are looking for the true word of God and the word of God is the Catholic Church, the only church that he started 2,000 years ago. Come on in son, the water’s fine.


42 posted on 11/17/2012 9:42:18 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: ansel12

“we do know that while the Catholic denomination voted 54% for abortion”

That number includes the 71% of hispanic “catholic” freeloader votes that ZERO received. Try again. Evangelicals can be from any faith. Episcopalians are the most liberal of all faiths in the country. Presbyterians and southern baptists a close second. JFK was certainly as conservative as moderate Nixon, who was a RINO of the first degree.


43 posted on 11/17/2012 9:50:37 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: ansel12

“There is no reason to assume that Kennedy was pro-life”.

http://vox-nova.com/2008/08/07/standing-firmly-pro-life-a-jfk-legacy/

JFK was pro-life. End of story.


44 posted on 11/17/2012 10:03:31 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

No one has any reason to assume that the liberal JFK was pro-life, no one knows, but being liberal, democrat, and the most despicable man to ever hold the office, and the man who wanted immigration to destroy America, doesn’t indicate that he was pro-life, he probably paid for many abortions in his long life of doing what he used to do before birth control, even having his girls service other men in front of him, and forcing the secret service to procure for him.

Catholic is a single church denomination of Christianity, not a religion or a race.

Catholics voted for Obama, Protestants voted like they always do, pro-life and republican, Evangelicals by a huge, massive margin, which is typical for those pro-life voters, they chose life at 79%, and we don’t have the numbers on the second largest denomination, the Southern Baptists, they probably equaled or surpassed their 2008 pro-life vote of 80%.

Catholics improved and voted for Obama and abortion by a slimmer margin than last time.


45 posted on 11/17/2012 10:43:55 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Clemenza
If you want to know what happened to California, look at the 2004 election, and election very focused on abortion and life issues, as the propositions listed show.

Look at how the Christians who are baptized members of the Roman Catholic church voted, versus, how the much more diverse, even non-denominational, many not even baptized or members of any church, Christians who are not Catholics, voted.

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46 posted on 11/17/2012 10:52:55 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: NKP_Vet
Actually, if you look at statistics, the net gain in Catholics is entirely driven by (nonwhite) immigration. The percentage of white Catholics is shrinking.

As an ex-Catholic may I remind you, however, that there is no such thing as the "White Catholic" Church. This is why the clergy are cheering the mass waves of immigration to fill and refill the churches.

47 posted on 11/17/2012 12:38:22 PM PST by Clemenza ("History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil governm)
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To: ansel12

“Protestants voted like they always do, pro-life and republican”.

Tell that to 93% of America’s blacks that voted for the baby killer in chief. Probably 99% of blacks are protestant.

And like I said before evangelicals are not a demonination.
They are in all Christian faiths, including Catholics.

The Catholic Church is despised by liberal protestant faiths because of their unbending support of life in all forms, and for their adherence the scriptures, i.e., NO HOMO MARRIAGE AND NO WOMEN CLERGY. Have also found out that most protestants respect Catholics because of their moral stance on these issues. The Catholic Church will never change it’s position on these moral issues. The reason? You can’t change the Bible. Protestants are a mismatch of faiths that change as often as your elbow bending. If you don’t like what one church is preaching go find yourself one that suits your tastes. Cant do that with God’s Pilgrim Church on Earth. The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ. He only established one Christian church and that is the Catholic Church. One drunkard German monk can’t change this. The Catholic bashers can’t deal with the truth.


48 posted on 11/17/2012 3:44:17 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: Clemenza

“As an ex-Catholic may I remind you, however, that there is no such thing as the “White Catholic” Church”

1. There is no such thing as an “ex-Catholic”. If you are practicing the faith of your baptism you are a lapsed Catholic.

2. Of course there is no such thing as the White Catholic Church, but statistics are kept, and white Catholics voted for Romney with 59% of the vote. Obama carried the hispanics, so their percentage pushed Obama to 52% of the so-called “Catholic vote”. Catholics vote exactly like any other faith group. Devout Catholics vote conservative, the non-church going crowd vote for the man that will promise free handouts.


49 posted on 11/17/2012 3:50:41 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Meant to say if you ARE NOT A PRACTICING CATHOLIC you are a lapsed Catholic, not ex-Catholic.


50 posted on 11/17/2012 3:52:06 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

No, 99% of blacks are not Protestant or even Christian, but I get your point, blacks vote worse than even Catholics, much worse today, although they used to vote republican, but no one can explain the black vote, it seems to be in it’s own place, unrelated to anything that we can identify without unpleasant speculation.

The two largest denominations in America are the Catholic denomination, and the Southern Baptist denomination, I would much rather Americans voted like Southern Baptists, than Catholics.

You do as well don’t you?

I’m starting to think that you want the pro-life Evangelical vote to lose influence in politics and for the left to prevail, and that voting democrat and pro-abortion is preferable as long as people belong to your church.


51 posted on 11/17/2012 6:04:53 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: NKP_Vet
Catholics vote exactly like any other faith group.

That just isn't true, the Southern Baptists for instance, second largest denomination to the Catholics, vote about 80% pro-life republican, while the Catholic vote is pretty much a pro-abortion vote.

52 posted on 11/17/2012 6:41:54 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Clemenza
Actually, if you look at statistics, the net gain in Catholics is entirely driven by (nonwhite) immigration. The percentage of white Catholics is shrinking. As an ex-Catholic may I remind you, however, that there is no such thing as the "White Catholic" Church. This is why the clergy are cheering the mass waves of immigration to fill and refill the churches.

All true of course, immigration is everything to the left.

By the way, as far as you no longer being a Catholic, you aren't to pollsters in voting data, but the Vatican still counts you as a member.

Judging by threads that mention how the Catholic vote is a democrat block, you can become non-catholic by voting democrat, or on some like this one, not being white, but you still get counted as being Catholic for 'boosting the count' purposes.

53 posted on 11/17/2012 6:57:29 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ansel12

There are approximately 15 million Southern Baptists in the United States. There are approximately 78 million Catholics in the United States. Obama “won” the Catholic vote over Romney, 50 to 48%. But also don’t forget that this was because 73% of hispanics, the vast majority identifying as Catholic, voted for Obama. Be that as it may, if Romney got almost half the Catholic vote himself, and half of 78% million is 39 million..........it’s a safe bet to say that Catholics accounted for some 39 million pro-life votes. No comparision whatsover in the baptist pro-life vote and Catholic pro-life. Catholic pro-lifers dwarf all other Christian religions in the United States. It’s not even close. But we need all the help we can get spreading the pro-life word, so I thank you and your baptist brothers for standing up for life.


54 posted on 11/17/2012 9:50:24 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Southern Baptists are the most conservative church in America, and they create conservative, pro-life voters by 80%.

The Catholic church produces mostly pro-abortion, democrat voters.

You don’t seem to care, your racism is shocking, your lack of interest from a conservative political point of view is shocking, and frankly, I’m tired of reading it.


55 posted on 11/17/2012 10:03:14 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ansel12

I was talking about the atheist vote which is sadly growing.


56 posted on 11/18/2012 6:05:08 AM PST by Tea American Party Patriot
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To: ansel12

And you don’t know how to read. Statics don’t lie. Every single southern baptist in this country could vote for Obama and it would make any difference. There is not enough of them to make any difference. And did you know that blacks make up the fastest growing segment of southern baptists, and that the president of the Southern Baptist Convention is a black man. Guess which way these blacks voted? For Obama. In a couple of years the majority members of the southern baptist will be black and a very reliable vote for democrats.


57 posted on 11/18/2012 8:09:50 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Southern Baptist Convention - Liberal Resolution. This is what happens when you make a liberal the president of your faith.

http://alabamadefenders.us/defenders/southernbaptist-liberal.html


58 posted on 11/18/2012 8:20:25 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Let us all pray to God, that everyone votes like America’s second largest denomination, the Southern Baptists, for life and conservatism at 80% numbers.

Let us all pray to God that people don’t vote like the pro-abortion voting Catholics, the democrat voting block.

You need to stop defending the pro-abortion vote and liberalism. The Catholic vote is a serious problem for pro-lifers, help us fight immigration.


59 posted on 11/18/2012 2:38:56 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Tea American Party Patriot

As you can see in post 46, Atheist or Catholic, life and conservatism loses.

The Catholic vote made California pro-abortion blue, and eventually will take Texas.


60 posted on 11/18/2012 2:53:00 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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