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Department Of Homeland Security To Scan Payment Cards At Borders And Airports
Forbes ^ | 11/07/12 | Jon Matonis

Posted on 11/11/2012 2:03:57 PM PST by grumpygresh

Enforceability falls to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and U.S. Customs and Border Protection both within the Department of Homeland Security, which is already developing advanced handheld card readers that can ascertain whether a traveler is carrying a credit card, debit card, or prepaid card. This differentiation is important because only prepaid card balances will need to be added to declaration report forms.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: customs; homelandsecurity
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The virtual Berlin Wall is tightening in the US.
1 posted on 11/11/2012 2:04:05 PM PST by grumpygresh
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To: grumpygresh

Can’t you just mail a prepaid card? And won’t this annoy illegal aliens who are trying to bring their “earnings” home?


2 posted on 11/11/2012 2:08:12 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: grumpygresh

or shakedown..why bother ...they wont stop illegals


3 posted on 11/11/2012 2:08:56 PM PST by dalebert
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To: Mamzelle

Wrap that rascal in Mylar...


4 posted on 11/11/2012 2:09:09 PM PST by Kozak (The means of defence again.t foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: grumpygresh

Fedex the card to the hotel at the destination instead?


5 posted on 11/11/2012 2:09:09 PM PST by research99
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To: grumpygresh

How ironic. Remember when there was huge pressure to close the border and Hillary cooked up this B.S. virtual border cr*p for Mexico and finally they ABANDONED it? That was after spending billions, of course..I think they put up signs and established some desert water fountains...sounds made up, right?

Well the one now they’re going to set up against US...? Yes I’m sure it will work and I’m completely sure they’re serious about THAT one.

“He who is kind to the cruel is soon cruel to the kind”.


6 posted on 11/11/2012 2:09:09 PM PST by gaijin
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To: grumpygresh

WTF...next they will want to know the size of my stuff...well they can just (stick) it!


7 posted on 11/11/2012 2:15:03 PM PST by ldish (Give me Freedom and Liberty or let's kick some a**!)
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To: grumpygresh

Isn’t it amazing what they can fix when it comes to citizens, and what they can’t fix when it comes to illegal aliens?

I see no reason whatsoever that it should be the business of the federal government, what I do with MY money.

If I want to take all of my money with me, it’s mine, and it’s none of their business.


8 posted on 11/11/2012 2:15:08 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and 48 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: grumpygresh

Department Of Homeland Security To Scan Payment Cards OF TAXPAYING CITIENS at Borders And Airports

There. Fixed.


9 posted on 11/11/2012 2:17:59 PM PST by Chickensoup
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To: grumpygresh

>>The virtual Berlin Wall is tightening in the US.

They’ve spent 30 years trying to make everything electronic and now its time to start tightening the screws on “virtual you”. This way, you can be “free” to physically wander around, but they can control your access to money now, and food and energy and healthcare later.

It is the mark of the beast.


10 posted on 11/11/2012 2:17:59 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: grumpygresh

Just a step closer ... we’re not there yet, of course ... but in the name of “peace and security” all of it is coming down rapidly.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+13:16-18&version=KJV

Revelation 13:16-18

King James Version (KJV)

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


11 posted on 11/11/2012 2:19:44 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Mamzelle

Illegals don’t need prepaid cards, Bank of America will transfer the money for them, no ID required


12 posted on 11/11/2012 2:20:15 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: grumpygresh

Two words: RFID wallet. Lots of them out there.


13 posted on 11/11/2012 2:23:00 PM PST by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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To: Fast Moving Angel

I went to lunch the other day with someone who has an alumiwallet. A bit think, but it works.


14 posted on 11/11/2012 2:25:14 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: ldish
WTF...next they will want to know the size of my stuff...

If they don't already,they'll know that as soon as you try to board your next flight...............

15 posted on 11/11/2012 2:25:50 PM PST by varon (11-06-2012 dob United Socialist Ghettos of America (USGA))
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To: combat_boots

should be ‘thick’ not ‘think’


16 posted on 11/11/2012 2:26:22 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: research99

I think it is about cards coming into the country. So mail it home wrapeed in Mylar (mylar does work to confound info doesnt it.)

So then the goverment can track mylar sales.


17 posted on 11/11/2012 2:26:27 PM PST by Chickensoup
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To: grumpygresh

Pre customs protocol: take 2 or 3 viagra, wait 40 minutes. Put on sheer leotards and cowboy boots. Maybe a cowboy hat.

Before entering the customs check, watch 20 minutes of sloppy delicious porn on a portable player in a phone bank. Get really good and revved up to FULL SALUTE, if ya know what I mean. Bring things around to as they were when you were 14.

Enter the customs area, full salute. Continue impure thoughts.

As you approach the pat down, flare your eye-balls wide like Liberace, and flounce a bit.

GRIN REALLY WIDE.

They’re trying to condition and degrade you a little, right? Why not share the love?


18 posted on 11/11/2012 2:26:45 PM PST by gaijin
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To: F15Eagle

I think that this is the plan. More security, currency collapse, then a new world currency based on a basket of currencies. Timmy the tax cheat said, at on point in 2009, that he was ok with that. Outlaw cash, outlaw gold and we will pretty much be there.


19 posted on 11/11/2012 2:29:31 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: grumpygresh

So if I bring a 5K pre paid card to mexico instead of cash for security reasons.... It is subject to confiscation ?


20 posted on 11/11/2012 2:31:40 PM PST by Popman
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To: Chickensoup

Maybe I’ll try putting some cash in a re-sealed potato chips bag, but I think somebody has already tried that.


21 posted on 11/11/2012 2:35:08 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: Bryanw92

Our social security number has been that for a quite a while now. Our credit history and Internet usage can all be monitored and used to silence dissent. Technology has advanced to the point where access to resources can be controlled by the state. 1984 with a happy face Capital One Smiling Viking commercial.


22 posted on 11/11/2012 2:35:31 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: dalebert

This regime will no doubt scam the cards ahd give the data to illegal invaders and our home grown traitors..


23 posted on 11/11/2012 2:36:20 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: grumpygresh

Great idea if you are a TSA screener. No more lugging around pilfered items from travelers luggage, eliminates the need to sell the crap you steal on craplist. Now all you have to do is go directly to their bank account or credit card.


24 posted on 11/11/2012 2:36:57 PM PST by fudimo
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To: grumpygresh
Lest we forget, George W. Bush and a Republican Congress did this.

Obama and company are just taking the opportunities to utilize these things to the fullest potential allowed by those laws and current technology.

25 posted on 11/11/2012 2:39:38 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: null and void; Cowgirl of Justice

hmmm ping


26 posted on 11/11/2012 2:42:32 PM PST by Shimmer1 (They told me I was gullible and I believed them.)
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To: gaijin

Sitting here laughing and laughing! Very good! :-)


27 posted on 11/11/2012 2:43:08 PM PST by wintertime (:-))
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To: NewJerseyJoe

P4L


28 posted on 11/11/2012 2:43:29 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: grumpygresh
Cards with magnetic stripe cannot be read remotely. Only RFID cards can, but I haven't even seen those. Smart cards with contacts are not affected at all (they are safe.)

Mylar is not affecting EM fields; it's a good insulator, but that doesn't help here. You need a conductive shell around protected items. No gaps allowed. Tongue and groove is the best.

29 posted on 11/11/2012 2:49:07 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Mamzelle

If I were traveling to the United States, I’d either resort to carrying cash or pre-mail all my payment cards to my location.


30 posted on 11/11/2012 2:49:13 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: elkfersupper
Lest we forget, George W. Bush and a Republican Congress did this. Obama and company are just taking the opportunities to utilize these things to the fullest potential allowed by those laws and current technology.

As long as we tolerate the enemies among us {by voting for them no matter what} we will never see the end of this tyranny. George Walker Bush helped create conditions for the election of Obama and his abuses of power the Executive Branch now has. That is a stone cold fact. The LIBERAL GOP is the enemy as evil as the Liberal DEMs to me when it comes to my vote or support. In my eyes they and Obama are as one.

31 posted on 11/11/2012 2:55:37 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Chickensoup

Well I have no planes to travel outside the US and I don’t fly commerial airlines so they can stick it, they just need to remove their heads first.


32 posted on 11/11/2012 2:59:41 PM PST by Dusty Road
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To: DoughtyOne

I’ve heard about this cash confiscation scam in several states:

http://jonathanturley.org/2012/05/24/highway-robbery-tennessee-police-are-seizing-cash-from-out-of-state-visitors-in-policy-called-policing-for-profit/


33 posted on 11/11/2012 3:00:16 PM PST by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Oh yeah...

http://www.bigeye.com/forfeit.htm


34 posted on 11/11/2012 3:01:54 PM PST by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted.)
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35 posted on 11/11/2012 3:04:18 PM PST by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Popman

US Debit cards work just fine in Mexico.


36 posted on 11/11/2012 3:14:43 PM PST by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Greysard

The person that recommended Mylar should have expanded a tad and said “metal coated Mylar”. Aluminum works well.


37 posted on 11/11/2012 3:19:02 PM PST by gfbtbb (The answer to your question will not be found here.)
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To: Popman

None of this is subject to confiscation. You have to report it so they can do a FINCEN 105 form. It is a money tracking regulation. If you don’t declare it and then are caught then it is subject to seizure using your customs declaration as proof. The customs law hasn’t changed, they are changing procedures due to the creation of a new monetary instrument.


38 posted on 11/11/2012 3:25:45 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Chickensoup

Lead foil.


39 posted on 11/11/2012 3:27:21 PM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: grumpygresh

simple solution
http://www.target.com/s/radio+frequency+jammers


40 posted on 11/11/2012 3:38:02 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does.)
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To: gaijin

Pre customs protocol: take 2 or 3 viagra,wait 40 minutes. Put on sheer leotards and cowboy boots. Maybe a cowboy hat.

Before entering the customs check,watch 20 minutes of sloppy delicious porn on a portable player in a phone bank. Get really good and revved up to FULL SALUTE,if ya know what I mean. Bring things around to as they were when you were 14.

Enter the customs area,full salute. Continue impure thoughts.

As you approach the pat down,flare your eye-balls wide like Liberace,and flounce a bit.

GRIN REALLY WIDE.

They’re trying to condition and degrade you a little,right? Why not share the love?”

Do this at the airport. Pretend to be embarrassed when they try to “pat” you down...

(ROTFLMAO :D )


41 posted on 11/11/2012 3:38:27 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: 3Fingas

“Our social security number has been that for a quite a while now. Our credit history and Internet usage can all be monitored and used to silence dissent.”

Yes, but technology cannot be used to ensure only eligible voters vote in an election to assure it’s not stole. Just look at last Tuesday.


42 posted on 11/11/2012 3:41:14 PM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: grumpygresh; All

cheap solution

shoule have these anyway - as crooks also have ‘readers’ to scan your card info - while in your pocket

http://www.corporatetravelsafety.com/catalog/rfid-blocking-credit-card-passport-sleeves-p-1284.html


43 posted on 11/11/2012 3:43:07 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does.)
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To: Fast Moving Angel

>Two words: RFID wallet. Lots of them out there.

I have one I bought on Amazon for about $20 after reading about cyber criminals stealing credit card info using scanners at gas stations and coffee houses.


44 posted on 11/11/2012 3:47:02 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: grumpygresh; All

Even cheaper - make your own frequency blocker

http://www.rpi-polymath.com/ducttape/RFIDWallet.php


45 posted on 11/11/2012 3:47:09 PM PST by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does.)
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To: grumpygresh

Family, friendship and trust have long been used to overcome tyranny.

Say you are friends with another family in a different country. When they come to visit you put them up in a nice hotel of their choosing, you take them out to dinner every night and pick up the tab, and you act as guide for tourist sites, paying their way for expensive recreations.

Other than the cost of travel, they pay only for small things.

Then when you and your family visit their country, they show you the same courtesies, to a similar value. In effect you have each carried thousands of dollars across borders, but without doing so.

And this applies to much more than tourism.


46 posted on 11/11/2012 3:50:10 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: ldish

After they’ve patted you down and viewed the scanner, they’ll know everything about your stuff. Just wait until they post it on the internet and the world will know.


47 posted on 11/11/2012 4:36:00 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Chickensoup
"So mail it home wrapped in Mylar (Mylar does work to confound info doesn't it?)."

Only metalized Mylar. Regular Mylar is just another plastic, and transparent to radio waves. Think "Faraday cage".....same principle. Or you can just get an aluminum wallet. There are a lot of preventives out there.

48 posted on 11/11/2012 5:36:24 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: grumpygresh
"The virtual Berlin Wall is tightening in the US."

The virtual Berlin Wall, in place for a decade or so, is tightening even further around the US.

Clearly we are in the first couple of decad, or so, of the prophesied "...thousand years of darkness."

The shame of it is that no one "...did all that could be done" to prevent it".

49 posted on 11/11/2012 5:50:08 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Only metalized Mylar

_____________________

Remember folks, metalized mylar. Buy it by the truckload and trip a DHS investigation.


50 posted on 11/11/2012 6:18:22 PM PST by Chickensoup
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