Posted on 08/27/2012 7:10:02 AM PDT by Publius804
A new Missouri poll indicates Rep. Todd Akin’s rape remarks have not hurt Mitt Romney in Missouri, but the comments about “legitimate rape” and the controversy that ensued have damaged Akin, especially among women voters.
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch poll found Akin, who had been leading McCaskill by five points and was tied with the Democrat among women voters before his remarks, now trails McCaskill by 9 points overall and by 18 points with women voters.
Democrats have tried to tie Akin’s comments to Romney, but the poll found Romney still leads President Barack Obama in Missouri by 7 points, 50-43.
These numbers come out after Akin vowed to stay in the race at a press conference on Friday. The deadline for Akin to withdraw was last Tuesday. Akin had until September 25 to petition for a court order to remove his name off the ballot, which would allow the Missouri GOP to select a replacement candidate. Akin's is a race Republicans must win to get control of the Senate and, until now, was assumed to be a shoo-in. McCaskill is still viewed more unfavorably than she is favorably in the poll.
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>>Just because democrats stick by their gaffe machines, why are you suggesting that conservatives follow the liberal path in such situations.<<
Why? Well, one good reason might be to wrest Senate control from the Democrats, don’t you think?
Democrats seem to have this part of the political process figured out; Republican, not so much.
Of course, it doesn’t hurt that they have the MSM completely on their side, ignoring Democrat gaffes, while trumpeting Republican ones. But why go along with them?
It was a gaffe; he’s pro-life and a conservative. Which of those statements will determine who you vote for? Because it sure seems like “gaffe” outweighs “conservative and pro-life” for a lot of people in here.
Sorry to bust your bubble Chip, but it is the democrats who want Akin to stay in.
Either Akin is dumb as a rock or he is a democrat McCaskill plant.
Oh wait a minute, both claims above are the same.
And "the female reproductive system shuts down during rape(the magic uterus theory)", Akin proposes is the the ticket.
Your statement in #79 is an absolute lie, isn’t it???
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2923305/posts?page=79#79
Conservative evangelicals and other social conservatives have been far more loyal to the Republican Party than have libertarians. Santorum and Huckabee loyally support the Republican Presidential candidate, even as Ron Paul will not. In fact, the current Libertarian Presidential candidate, Gary Johnson, is a former Republican governor, as their 2008 nominee was a former Republican congressman. Yet they feel, and not without reason, that they have ridden in the back of the GOP bus for decades. Roe v. Wade remains in effect, and the courts have not been much help in fighting the steady secularization of the public arena, despite GOP control of the White House for 20 out of the last 32 years. Most of the radio talk show hosts and columnists calling for Akin's withdrawal are secular or non-evangelical conservatives.
Akin's remarks were stupid and ill-considered. However, the pushback from the social conservatives is significant. The cost of further alienating them is too high. He may well lose his race against the Democrat incumbent. That will possibly cost the GOP the drive to control the Senate. Nevertheless, maintaining evangelical enthusiasm for the Republican ticket, which consists of a Mormon and a Catholic, is important if Romney is to win Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, and Ohio.
That is a blatant lie and you know it.
Are you a DU operative???
It is not a lie and I did not put those words of the woman's reproductive system shutting down during rape in his mouth.
Todd Akin said, what he said, deal with it.
You can't.
You are resorting to the same hyperbole that the DU operatives do.
“The fact that is the face of insurmountable evidence that he’s cooked his own goose, he’s staying in the race knowing full well he’s going to loose. We need to have the stomach to use every device to force him out.”
Mr. Akin is “comfortable in his conservatism”, so to speak. He will not leave the crusade voluntarily.
That leaves but two “devices” which might “force him out”.
One is a device that fires bullets. How did UBS finally get rid of Howard Beale in “Network”?
The other is something called money. Few men (or women) cannot “be bought”, IF “the price is right” (recall, for instance, the famous quip made by Winston Churchill with a woman over “the world’s oldest profession”).
Which device do you choose?
If you are unwilling to choose either, you lose, and Mr. Akin wins.
Aside: my guess is that by November, Mr. Akin will regain a considerable amount of support that has currently deserted him. Whether it will be enough to win, I can’t say. But given the reality that he is in ‘til the end, perhaps the only logical course of action is for the Pubbies to grant him “a probationary period” with which he re-establishes a modicum of credibility. If he can do this, then they’d better slip him some campaign cash and tactical support, even if it’s done quietly...
As I've said in the past, if Todd Akin pulls the pin (petitions court to remove his name from ballot) I'll gladly donate $100 to FR. But it ain't gonna happen...
Anyone in Missouri who is pro-life needs to vote Akin
Anyone in Missouri who is pro-RKBA should vote for Akin
Anyone in Missouri opposed to Kenya-care should vote for Akin
Anyone in Missouri opposed to tax hikes should vote for Akin
To do other, is to commit political suicide...
Hey I’m with the majority of Republicans and Independents in Missouri who want Akin replaced.
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Me too. But if the fool doesn’t withdraw then conservatives should still vote for him instead of McCaskill or abstaining. He has, at best, only the most minute possibility of winning. Hopefully that will sink in with him and his staff.
Well, for the most part, Todd Akin’s staff is his family. /s
We live in Upstate NY and my husband was recently on a grand jury--there were MANY cases of "non-legitimate rape" that he had to review. One case was where there were MANY consensual occasions, yet, when the woman got caught having "side interests" and had to explain where she was late at night to her live-in boyfriend, she told him she had been "raped" by her "friend." And this being NYS, the judge NEVER throws non-legitimate rape cases out. The woman's "side dish" got thrown in prison for "rape." The district attorney and one of the local investigators said that this happens more than you want to know about.
RG:
I like your “aside.” It would serve to mollify those who still somehow believe Akin has a chance and those who don’t like “outsiders” interfering in the local process.
As for your two alternatives, I am for door #2. Pay him off personally (if he get’s out of the race) and put the blood money in escrow so he knows he’s not going to be had. And at the same time, cut off all funds from outside sources for his campaign. Kinda the Lyndon Johnson Method ( “when you’ve got a hold of their balls, they will go along”).
Your Post #90 is gaggingly accurate.
To me, Todd Akin is toe-jam. So are a number of his supporters on this site. Their efforts at denial and mis-direction really have to be labelled as legendary in FR lore.
Having said that, if I were a Missourian, I would vote for Akin. He’d vote right on many of the issues that I support.
He’s a total doofus. But he’s (until he quits - which I am hoping for) OUR doofus.
LOL!!!!
You mean the OPC opinion, the PCA opinion, the ARP opinion, the EPC opinion, the RPCNA opinion, the KAPC opinion, the FPC opinion, the FPC(c) opinion, the URC opinion, the RCUS opinion, the CanRC opinion, the PRC opinion, the FRC opinion, the NRC opinion, and the HNRC opinion?
(Insider joke for Calvinist “split-Ps”)
85 posted on Mon Aug 27 2012 12:26:09 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Wallace T.: “Conservative evangelicals and other social conservatives have been far more loyal to the Republican Party than have libertarians. Santorum and Huckabee loyally support the Republican Presidential candidate, even as Ron Paul will not. In fact, the current Libertarian Presidential candidate, Gary Johnson, is a former Republican governor, as their 2008 nominee was a former Republican congressman. Yet they feel, and not without reason, that they have ridden in the back of the GOP bus for decades. Roe v. Wade remains in effect, and the courts have not been much help in fighting the steady secularization of the public arena, despite GOP control of the White House for 20 out of the last 32 years. Most of the radio talk show hosts and columnists calling for Akin’s withdrawal are secular or non-evangelical conservatives. Akin’s remarks were stupid and ill-considered. However, the pushback from the social conservatives is significant. The cost of further alienating them is too high. He may well lose his race against the Democrat incumbent. That will possibly cost the GOP the drive to control the Senate. Nevertheless, maintaining evangelical enthusiasm for the Republican ticket, which consists of a Mormon and a Catholic, is important if Romney is to win Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, and Ohio.”
You are absolutely right on this.
Social conservatives have been loyal Republicans, except where there is an old-style conservative Southern Democrat on a local election ballot, or (in the case of Roman Catholics in urban areas) an old-style ethnic Catholic who is pro-life and can make a valid claim to reflecting Roman Catholic values.
In return, we've been maligned, abused, and accused of losing elections for the Republicans. We've been treated like the crazy aunt you can't avoid inviting to family gatherings, but who you don't want to introduce to friends.
Akin blew it. I've said that dozens of times here on Free Republic and even more times elsewhere. But years of pent-up resentment are a factor fueling the defense of Akin, and the Republican Party ignores that at its peril.
Some of us think the PCA is a good example of weak-kneed compromising lukewarm Presbyterians. Go ask lots of OPC or BPC or RPCNA people what they think of the PCA. The Missouri Presbytery, of which Todd Akin’s church is a member, is considered one of the weakest presbyteries in the whole denomination.
But then again, I'm probably making your point!
Stubbornness seems to be part of Scots-Irish Presbyterian DNA, or perhaps is the unwritten 53rd Lord's Day of the Heidelberg Catechism for the Dutch. ;-) If Todd Akin is a member of a church in one of the least strict presbyteries in the PCA, imagine what the rest of the PCA can be like, and then imagine what the more conservative Presbyterian denominations are like which often consider the PCA to be “big tent compromisers.”
Todd, if those polls hold up, I’d worry less if I were you about Karl Rove trying to get me killed and more about the Missouri party.
Yeah, I see that. Boy oh boy.
Then watch out. The steadfast prayer for, the encouragement of, and the congregational ovation for the Akins last Sunday by all those reserved Presbyterians in that congregation was stunning and very moving.
With this background we shall not be surprised to find that the Presbyterians took a very prominent part in the American Revolution. Our own historian Bancroft says: "The Revolution of 1776, so far as it was affected by religion, was a Presbyterian measure. It was the natural outgrowth of the principles which the Presbyterianism of the Old World planted in her sons, the English Puritans, the Scotch Covenanters, the French Huguenots, the Dutch Calvinists, and the Presbyterians of Ulster." So intense, universal, and aggressive were the Presbyterians in their zeal for liberty that the war was spoken of in England as "The Presbyterian Rebellion." An ardent colonial supporter of King George III wrote home: "I fix all the blame for these extraordinary proceedings upon the Presbyterians. They have been the chief and principal instruments in all these flaming measures. They always do and ever will act against government from that restless and turbulent anti-monarchial spirit which has always distinguished them everywhere."2 When the news of "these extraordinary proceedings" reached England, Prime Minister Horace Walpole said in Parliament, "Cousin America has run off with a Presbyterian parson" (John Witherspoon, president of Princeton, signer of Declaration of Independence)..
CALVINISM IN AMERICA
Loraine Boettner.
Cordially,
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