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NSA Whistleblower Details How The NSA Has Spied On All US Citizens Since 9/11
Business Insider ^ | Aug. 24, 2012 | Michael Kelley

Posted on 08/24/2012 10:02:21 PM PDT by george76

National Security Agency whistleblower William Binney explains how the secretive agency run its pervasive domestic spying apparatus...

Binney—one of the best mathematicians and code breakers in NSA history—worked for the Defense Department's foreign signals intelligence agency for 32 years before resigning in late 2001 because he "could not stay after the NSA began purposefully violating the Constitution."

In a short video called "The Program," Binney explains how the agency took part of one of the programs he built and started using it to spy on virtually every U.S. citizen without warrants under the code-name Stellar Wind.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: New York; US: Utah; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: binney; constitution; domesticspying; echelon; govtabuse; nsa; projectechelon; spying; stellarwind; tyranny; williambinney
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To: Salamander
Type in any generic search name in the www url address bar.

Look down at the bottom of the page to see what search engine is looking.

It is possible to get rid of the G. But it aint easy.

101 posted on 08/25/2012 1:41:30 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a Barack 0b0tt0my!)
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To: mkjessup

/cues X-Files theme

[night!]

:)


102 posted on 08/25/2012 1:42:09 AM PDT by Salamander (Happiness is a warm Python.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

I use the Alice Cooper search bar and get SWAG bucks.

http://blog.swagbucks.com/2009/06/search-with-alice-cooper.html

:)


103 posted on 08/25/2012 1:51:59 AM PDT by Salamander (Happiness is a warm Python.)
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To: Slyfox
In the Maryland area they call it No Such Agency

And to the employees it's Never Say Anything.

104 posted on 08/25/2012 2:32:26 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Salamander

So you’re saying they finally decided to sit this one out?


105 posted on 08/25/2012 2:46:02 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

My words, but a whisper, their deafness...a shout.

[Ugh...that’s gonna be stuck in my head ALL day now...the whole thing...both sides]

LOL

Skating away....


106 posted on 08/25/2012 3:38:06 AM PDT by Salamander (Happiness is a warm Python.)
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To: Salamander

BTW, I took a glance at your profile page - my son saw Alice warm up for Iron Maiden a month or so ago.


107 posted on 08/25/2012 4:09:38 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Salamander
Dang, G has two tracking scripts running on that page. Not counting the Fb and Twit scripts.

Looks like you're selling it to them, beats letting them have it for free though.

108 posted on 08/25/2012 4:24:45 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a Barack 0b0tt0my!)
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To: everyone




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109 posted on 08/25/2012 5:14:46 AM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

God bless government employee whisteblowers who have the fortitude to step forward and do what is right


110 posted on 08/25/2012 5:18:06 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: george76

Maybe this explains a lot.

No matter how many times I change it, my computer keeps changing my location back to Salt Lake City.


111 posted on 08/25/2012 5:58:08 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: george76

I was surprised to learn from the video that the data acquisition itself is legal, and that surveillance doesn’t occur until someone queries or listens to the data.

I wonder about the legality of automated queries to bubble up “suspicious” activity.


112 posted on 08/25/2012 6:52:14 AM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
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To: justa-hairyape
Sorry I don't buy what he is saying.
The processing and manpower to spy on every individual conversation aka 1984 style is beyond the realm of even NSA.
Now if someone used the country dialing codes and called the tribal areas of Pakistan or certain hot terrorist areas in Afghanistan, Yemen or Kashmir or other known terrorist havens. Then yes the dialing codes and the exchanges might attract attention. I guarantee that if one sent a international mail, telegram, teletype or was able to make an international phone to Germany, Italy, Japan or even the minor Axis powers during WWII you would also have attracted USG attention. Likewise during the height of the Cold War phone calls or any communication to the USSR, China, or Warsaw Pact areas would have also drawn attention. Thoose were adjudicated by the federal courts as legitimate federal “snooping”.
If you “case” a bank to rob and do it in a clumsy manner that says “I am casing a bank” you will get some questions.

In summary I think there is much much more to this guy's story then meets the eye. Just because his story appeals to those that have a conspiratorial frame of mind doesn't make it true! There are clearly some missing elements of the narrative.

113 posted on 08/25/2012 7:25:46 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Salamander
Or my mind-numbing back-and-forths about dog health/training/genetics/”look what cute thing Fluffy did today” blathering with my best girl friends.

I understand. The codes we use in my cell are embedded in conversations about gardening and the digestive problems of the over 50s generation. If they ever figure out what 'psyllium husk' really is ... well, I can say no more without encryption. ;^P

114 posted on 08/25/2012 8:15:26 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: nicmarlo
What he said was brief actually. Just that he had been briefed on surveillance that spies on all Americans, he can't reveal details, he's pissed about it, he has legislation in the works to stop it and (naturally) he wants support primarily in the form of a contribution to Rand Pac.

I am not entirely cynical about his requests for donations though. He sends out e-mails on many topics and he is one of the very few politicians/conservative groups that puts substantive info in his mailings. Sometimes things I haven't even seen on FR yet which is almost always the first place I hear about things.

He's solid on pro-life issues, pro-2nd A. issues, anti-UN issues and smaller gov./lower taxes. What makes him different than others is he finds and promotes the most effective private orgs, has frequent petitions and submits meaningful bills on a regular basis.

I have no use for his daddy but Rand seems to be pretty grounded and rather relentless about a range of liberty focused issues. My apologies for the long winded reply.

115 posted on 08/25/2012 8:43:50 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Salamander

How is it that you can tell who is accessing your website? I would think the alphabets could hide or disguise their identity. But it is funny/scary that they would come after you. “Thick as a brick” is appropriate.


116 posted on 08/25/2012 8:51:17 AM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: Reily
The processing and manpower to spy on every individual conversation aka 1984 style is beyond the realm of even NSA.

Stated as broadly as that? No, they wouldn't have the manpower to do that. But...

The Secret Sharer

Even in an age in which computerized feats are commonplace, the N.S.A.’s capabilities are breathtaking. The agency reportedly has the capacity to intercept and download, every six hours, electronic communications equivalent to the contents of the Library of Congress. Three times the size of the C.I.A., and with a third of the U.S.’s entire intelligence budget, the N.S.A. has a five-thousand-acre campus at Fort Meade protected by iris scanners and facial-recognition devices. The electric bill there is said to surpass seventy million dollars a year.

(snip)

Drake, hoping to help fight back against Al Qaeda, immediately thought of a tantalizing secret project he had come across while working on Jackpot. Code-named ThinThread, it had been developed by technological wizards in a kind of Skunk Works on the N.S.A. campus.

(snip)

Binney expressed terrible remorse over the way some of his algorithms were used after 9/11. ThinThread, the “little program” that he invented to track enemies outside the U.S., “got twisted,” and was used for both foreign and domestic spying: “I should apologize to the American people. It’s violated everyone’s rights. It can be used to eavesdrop on the whole world.”

(snip)

In the late nineties, Binney estimated that there were some two and a half billion phones in the world and one and a half billion I.P. addresses. Approximately twenty terabytes of unique information passed around the world every minute. Binney started assembling a system that could trap and map all of it. “I wanted to graph the world,” Binney said. “People said, ‘You can’t do this—the possibilities are infinite.’ ” But he argued that “at any given point in time the number of atoms in the universe is big, but it’s finite.”

As Binney imagined it, ThinThread would correlate data from financial transactions, travel records, Web searches, G.P.S. equipment, and any other “attributes” that an analyst might find useful in pinpointing “the bad guys.” By 2000, Binney, using fibre optics, had set up a computer network that could chart relationships among people in real time. It also turned the N.S.A.’s data-collection paradigm upside down. Instead of vacuuming up information around the world and then sending it all back to headquarters for analysis, ThinThread processed information as it was collected—discarding useless information on the spot and avoiding the overload problem that plagued centralized systems. Binney says, “The beauty of it is that it was open-ended, so it could keep expanding.”

A small excerpt from a ten page article. Keep in mind that the software he is talking about is now several years old. No "eyes on" manpower needed until this "super" computer spits out a file on a "suspect."

117 posted on 08/25/2012 9:22:05 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: Reily

Oh Reily?

Check out the publicly available info. There is quite enough processing power in that facility to do the job.

They are recording and key word flagging all electronic communications.

They are not “listening” to all of them, that is to say there is no human in the loop reading your emails and listening to your calls, but...

As you say, there is both more and less to this story than meets the eye.


118 posted on 08/25/2012 9:49:28 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1314 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: TigersEye

Not long winded at all. Quite informative, in fact, about Rand (who I’ve always liked, now like even more after reading your post). I’m glad he’s doing something about this, too. IMHO, if he’s that angry about it, then I believe .gov has gone way overboard in its spying on innocent Americans (something I already felt too).


119 posted on 08/25/2012 9:56:56 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Excellence; Salamander
“Thick as a brick” is appropriate.

I would have been tempted to go with Alan Parson's 'Eye in the Sky" or Rockwell's "Somebody's Watching Me".

But Tull is always a good choice...

120 posted on 08/25/2012 9:59:16 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1314 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: BIGLOOK; ASA Vet; george76

Learn how the UK countries spy on us and us on them. That way we aren’t spying on us and them on them:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/ECHELON/echelon.html

Rumors have abounded for several years of a massive system designed to intercept virtually all email and fax traffic in the world and subject it to automated analysis, despite laws in many nations (including this one) barring such activity. The laws were circumvented by a mutual pact among five nations. It’s illegal for the United States to spy on it’s citizens. Likewise the same for Great Britain. But under the terms of the UKUSA agreement, Britain spies on Americans and America spies on British citizens and the two groups trade data. Technically, it may be legal, but the intent to evade the spirit of the laws protecting the citizens of those two nations is clear.

The system is called ECHELON, and had been rumored to be in development since 1947, the result of the UKUSA treaty signed by the governments of the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

The purpose of the UKUSA agreement was to create a single vast global intelligence organization sharing common goals and a common agenda, spying on the world and sharing the data. The uniformity of operation is such that NSA operatives from Fort Meade could work from Menwith Hill to intercept local communications without either nation having to formally approve or disclose the interception.

More on Echelon:

http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon.htm

Interesting 4 pages and re page 3:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB23/09-01.htm


121 posted on 08/25/2012 10:13:04 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: nicmarlo
I'm glad I didn't wear you out with info you didn't want. ;-)

I don't know how I got on his e-mail list (they claim I opted in according to their software, lol) but here is the addie his latest stuff came from if you want to try and get on it.

rand.paul@nationalprolifealliance.com

Here is a select bit from that most recent mailing and a link to the petition he wants signatures on.

You see, the reality is that scores of politicians who claimed to be pro-life yet voted for ObamaCare's $7 billion subsidy for the abortion lobby were tossed out last year.

In the Senate, even though Majority Leader Harry Reid barely held his own seat, it was DESPITE his pro-abortion agenda.

So pro-lifers are starting from a strong position in the campaign to end tax dollars for abortion.

Therefore, let me be blunt.

If a politician claims to be pro-life while voting for billions of tax dollars for abortion and abortionists, he is lying.

Petition to Your Representative and U.S. Senators & Mitch McConnell and John Boehner Oppose Using Taxpayer Dollars to Fund Abortion


122 posted on 08/25/2012 10:14:52 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye
there are things in the article that makes me very suspicious that Binney was NOT what he publicly says he was and did!

and that's all I am going to say!

123 posted on 08/25/2012 10:17:39 AM PDT by Reily
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To: null and void
there are things in the article that makes me very suspicious that Binney was NOT what he publicly says he was and did!

and that's all I am going to say!

124 posted on 08/25/2012 10:18:46 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily

Alrighty.


125 posted on 08/25/2012 10:19:12 AM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: TigersEye

Gotta agree. Anybody spying on me must be really, really bored.


126 posted on 08/25/2012 10:28:56 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Reily

I understand. I have a cousin working on the project. If that were my only source of information on it, I’d pretty much know exactly nothing.


127 posted on 08/25/2012 10:40:39 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1314 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void

so your cousin is leaking TSC information to you?
That’s probably not career enhancing.

and for all you know I might be working on it too!


128 posted on 08/25/2012 10:45:30 AM PDT by Reily
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To: TigersEye

Thanks, I signed the petition and was looking for a link to signing up for Rand Paul news, but didn’t see anything there.

But maybe I’ll get added now that I’ve signed the petition.


129 posted on 08/25/2012 10:50:03 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Reily
so your cousin is leaking TSC information to you?

No. I’d pretty much know exactly nothing.

I'd know my cousin has a job. I'd know it's a government project. And could infer that it's somewhere within commuting distance of my cousin's new address, if I assume my cousin commutes daily. (Keep in mind that Area 51 workers were known to commute from Burbank and Las Vegas)

130 posted on 08/25/2012 11:02:49 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1314 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: Reily
and for all you know I might be working on it too!

Are they hiring???

131 posted on 08/25/2012 11:05:20 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1314 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: Grampa Dave; BIGLOOK; LonePalm

Dave, All you’ll get from me on this subject is “No Comment.”


132 posted on 08/25/2012 11:19:42 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: nicmarlo; Salamander; null and void

Of COURSE there’s coffee in the basement.
No basement involving conspiracy is worth it’s salt without coffee in the basement.


133 posted on 08/25/2012 11:21:07 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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134 posted on 08/25/2012 11:24:07 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Darksheare; Salamander; null and void

oh nooooooo......!


135 posted on 08/25/2012 11:24:19 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Darksheare; nicmarlo; Salamander
The origin of the hole story...
136 posted on 08/25/2012 11:37:57 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1314 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: nicmarlo; Salamander; null and void

Don’t worry, the coffee doesn’t kill 63% of the population who drink it.


137 posted on 08/25/2012 11:40:53 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: BIGLOOK

“You know that I know that you know that I know that this guy’s ass is grass.......”

No problem for him.

He said/printed nothing about:

Obozo’s place of birth.

Obozo’s real dad!

Obozo’s real nationality.

Obozo’s college days and grades at Occidental.

Obozo’s grades and attendance in law school supposedly at Columbia.

Why Obozo and Michelle are no longer lawyers.

Obozo’s links with known terrorists.

Obozo’s trip to Pakistan.

So this guy is safe. He has not violated the real secrets as noted above.


138 posted on 08/25/2012 11:53:20 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Grampa Dave

139 posted on 08/25/2012 12:08:11 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (74 days)
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To: null and void

wow...I didn’t know it was THAT old. :)


140 posted on 08/25/2012 12:27:47 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Darksheare; Salamander; null and void

that means it does kill about 1/3. Where are THEY? In nully’s basement?


141 posted on 08/25/2012 12:30:05 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
You don't even know I'm that old...
142 posted on 08/25/2012 12:31:23 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1314 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: nicmarlo

Shhhhhh!


143 posted on 08/25/2012 12:32:11 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1314 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: null and void

hehehe.


144 posted on 08/25/2012 12:33:26 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo; Salamander; null and void

Well, not all of them.
Some are still ambulatory and we lost accountability of them.

You do have odd deer near you, right?


145 posted on 08/25/2012 12:41:14 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: null and void
(so, now I know why you're so busy down there in your basement!)
146 posted on 08/25/2012 12:41:26 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Darksheare; Salamander; null and void

No odd deer, as I’m no longer in upstate NY or So. CA. Now in LA, as in the state.

I do, however, have an ‘odd dear’ around. LOL


147 posted on 08/25/2012 12:44:36 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo; Salamander; null and void

Ah, so you don’t have to worry about the zombie deer yet.


148 posted on 08/25/2012 12:46:27 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Darksheare; Salamander; null and void

....yet??


149 posted on 08/25/2012 12:53:29 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo; Salamander; null and void

Yes, it was discovered that deer will drink coffee under certain conditions.
And that they act odd afterwards.
Real odd.

They haven’t spread far since.


150 posted on 08/25/2012 1:16:48 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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