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USADA to strip Lance Armstrong of 7 Tour titles
Associated Press ^ | August. 23, 2012 | JIM VERTUNO

Posted on 08/23/2012 8:23:23 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

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To: DoughtyOne; marygonzo

Good Evening D1, good points as always, and fyi - marygonzo is a drive-by n00b troll, who did pass HER test:

For IGNORANCE.

Have a great weekend FRiend!


181 posted on 08/24/2012 3:46:48 PM PDT by mkjessup (0bama squats to pee.)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles; marygonzo; All

You two n00b trolls need to get a room.

Motel 5-1/2 is probably just down the street from you.

Take the hint.


182 posted on 08/24/2012 3:51:24 PM PDT by mkjessup (0bama squats to pee.)
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To: dfwgator
how do they have proof?

They don't, it all comes down to testimony from malcontents......

The unidentified witnesses said they knew or had been told by Armstrong himself that he had "used EPO, blood transfusions, testosterone and cortisone" from before 1998 through 2005, and that he had previously used EPO, testosterone and Human Growth Hormone through 1996, USADA said. Armstrong also allegedly handed out doping products and encouraged banned methods - and even used "blood manipulation including EPO or blood transfusions" during his 2009 comeback race on the Tour.

183 posted on 08/24/2012 3:53:44 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: mkjessup

Believe me dude. I got more time than you in the fight for America.

Pipe down.


184 posted on 08/24/2012 4:24:30 PM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: MortMan; mkjessup
Hmmm...

Sure got awful quiet in here.














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185 posted on 08/24/2012 4:28:16 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Americans want what Americans always wanted: Better lives for families; little government authority.)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

Again, your mind reading skills are lacking.

The fight against USADA takes time and (lots of) money.

USADA does not have the authority to strip him of the titles - per the governing body for the Tour de France.

USADA has already vowed to violate their own rules to pursue him on these allegations. And they will do so based on hearsay with no physical evidence.

He is retired - which means a lifetime ban is pretty meaningless.

So, he could spend a ton of money and a lot of time fighting charges that will have little effect on him, or he can simply state that he is done with it and preserve his time and assets.

Now, given this interpretation of the events, you appear to still prefer to assume that his leaving the arena is an admission of guilt.

You are correct in one respect - this is no court of law, although USADA has attempted to take on the mantle of authority under the legal rules it created for itself, despite flouting those rules. If this were a court, the judge would be impeached.

If you would like to continue a logic-based discussion, I would be willing. But the emotional appeals you are resorting to have no interest for me. I am not persuadable based on one-sided assumptions, no matter whether you believe them to be appropriate or not (they aren’t).


186 posted on 08/24/2012 4:34:12 PM PDT by MortMan (Laughter is the best medicine, especially when ridiculing your enemies.)
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To: MortMan

I think his biggest concern is the continuation of his “Livestrong” Foundation.


187 posted on 08/24/2012 4:39:23 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: MortMan; mkjessup
You can't EVER assume that just because someone puts in a stellar performance, or is continually better than other people, that they are cheating.

The case of one Bob Beaman is an important reminder...  LINK












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188 posted on 08/24/2012 4:40:42 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Americans want what Americans always wanted: Better lives for families; little government authority.)
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To: FreedomForce

From the descriptions I have heard, the testimony in question is more akin to someone swearing that Armstrong admitted something.

Nice strawman, by the way. Sandusky’s case involved eyewitness and victim testimony. That is first-hand testimony, not hearsay.

I have yet to see a description of a first-hand witness to the alleged doping in the USADA evidence. If Armstrong indeed did admit to doping, then that may be discussed as evidence, but if it’s disputed by the person who is alleged to have said it, then it is far from probative.

Again - I have no stake in this matter, nor do I pretend to know whether or not Armstrong is guilty. But I do know when a legal pursuit takes on the appearance of a witch hunt.


189 posted on 08/24/2012 4:43:25 PM PDT by MortMan (Laughter is the best medicine, especially when ridiculing your enemies.)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles
Believe me dude. I got more time than you in the fight for America.
Pipe down.


You just come right on over here and make me n00b. You got a lot o' talk, and not much to back it up with. I say you're a troll and a four-flusher. Tellin' ME to 'pipe down' is way above your pay grade pal.

I'll be watchin' you.
190 posted on 08/24/2012 4:47:12 PM PDT by mkjessup (0bama squats to pee.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
I don't know, it's just one of those things. If you're an American and you dominate a European sport for so long, you're obviously doing it illegally........

LOL. The Race Card is dead! Long live the American Card! (Shame on you for that pathetic comment.)

Seriously though, *that* particular sport has been the sport of dopers for decades. Fact! Some get caught, some don't. But no matter what, everyone *expects* them all to be doped up. So why not just give everyone a certain limited amount of EPO or whatever and let them use it as they see fit. (With no *obligation* to use any if they choose not to.) Want to win a mountain stage? Use x% of that stash and have less left for the other stages. Etc. No muss, no fuss.

191 posted on 08/24/2012 4:50:45 PM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: DoughtyOne

We most assuredly agree.

Once more, if the allegations can be proven using proper evidence - under existing rules, not post-facto rules - then I believe it would be just to strip him, within the authority of the governing body. That means the “statute of limitations” for such allegations must be followed.

Outside of that, this is all an emotional witch hunt.

Sad that conservatives seem up for it.


192 posted on 08/24/2012 4:53:03 PM PDT by MortMan (Laughter is the best medicine, especially when ridiculing your enemies.)
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To: dfwgator

You may be correct, FRiend.


193 posted on 08/24/2012 4:53:55 PM PDT by MortMan (Laughter is the best medicine, especially when ridiculing your enemies.)
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To: MortMan

What, you mean true Conservatives don’t believe in guilty until proven innocent? /s

I hear ya...


194 posted on 08/24/2012 4:57:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Americans want what Americans always wanted: Better lives for families; little government authority.)
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To: eddie willers
This is a surprise to no one. Especially the guys that finished behind him thinking, “No way”.

That's not what they're thinking, they're saying thank God, not me........

You don't win the TDF on your own and you don't win it by outdistancing your opponents by miles and miles and miles. You win it by accumulating points over stages of the entire course with most of those stages being helped by teammates. And those stages being won by mere seconds.

Of all the individual time trials, how many of them did he actually win and was the same scrutiny given to the actual winner?

Armstrong was a great cyclist but he was also helped by equally great teammates.......

195 posted on 08/24/2012 5:08:19 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: eddie willers
This is a surprise to no one. Especially the guys that finished behind him thinking, “No way”.

That's not what they're thinking, they're saying thank God, not me........

You don't win the TDF on your own and you don't win it by outdistancing your opponents by miles and miles and miles. You win it by accumulating points over stages of the entire course with most of those stages being helped by teammates. And those stages being won by mere seconds.

Of all the individual time trials, how many of them did he actually win and was the same scrutiny given to the actual winner?

Armstrong was a great cyclist but he was also helped by equally great teammates.......

196 posted on 08/24/2012 5:14:37 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: FoxInSocks
you can examine all the Tour de France margins of victory.

No doubt in my mind, Merckx is the one who should have been hounded to the end of eternity with accusations of doping..........

197 posted on 08/24/2012 5:18:25 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: FoxInSocks
you can examine all the Tour de France margins of victory.

No doubt in my mind, Merckx is the one who should have been hounded to the end of eternity with accusations of doping..........

198 posted on 08/24/2012 5:19:32 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles
Face it, he’s dirty

Not as dirty as Merckx was.....look at the stats

199 posted on 08/24/2012 5:20:56 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: DSH
asserted they had the evidence

Read the entire article, the only "evidence" they had was testimony of allegations by individuals who had an axe to grind against Armstrong and quite possibly immunity from their own personal scrutiny...........

200 posted on 08/24/2012 5:25:25 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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