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Americans quitting cigarettes, but turning to cigars
fox news ^ | August 03, 2012

Posted on 08/03/2012 6:43:39 PM PDT by Drango

While more Americans than ever before are quitting their cigarette habit, a growing number are also turning to large cigars and pipes, suggesting that gains in curbing tobacco consumption may be more elusive than previously thought.

The findings were outlined in a report released on Thursday by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Overall consumption of smoked tobacco products declined 27.5 percent between 2000 and 2011, but use of noncigarette smoked tobacco products increased by a whopping 123 percent in that same time.

One major culprit for the trend is likely price, particularly in the latter part of the decade as Americans grappled with a weak economy and high unemployment.

In 2009, a federal excise tax was enacted and as a result, pipe tobacco, loose tobacco and cigars were taxed at a significantly lower rate than cigarettes. Responses by the tobacco industry to the tax and resulting price shifts have further compounded the problem, according to the CDC.

"Cigarette-like (tobacco products), formerly thought of as small cigars, have been modified slightly by the manufacturers .... so that they can be taxed at the lower rate," said Terry Pechacek, CDC's Associate director of science, and an author on the report.

As a result, such small cigars which resemble cigarettes are far cheaper, selling for about $1.40 per pack versus $5, Pechacek said. Younger consumers in particular are responding to the shift in pricing and consumption patterns.

"The rise in cigar smoking, which other studies show is a growing problem among youth and young adults, is cause for alarm," ...

McAfee cited a recent report from the U.S. surgeon general, which showed that nearly all smokers start before they are 26 years old, making young consumers the most important target for stopping the epidemic.

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"One major culprit for the trend is likely price,"

Econ 101. An increase in the price of an object results in a decrease in demand.

1 posted on 08/03/2012 6:43:43 PM PDT by Drango
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To: Drango

Sometimes a cigar is a cigar, said Julius Caesar.


2 posted on 08/03/2012 6:45:00 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Revolting cat!

And sometimes it’s a great smoke.


3 posted on 08/03/2012 6:46:21 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: bcsco

mmmmmmm...Monte Cristo #3. Time to order some more.


4 posted on 08/03/2012 6:50:07 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: Drango

That is the only thing that zero did for me...I refused to voluntarily fund his agenda and quit cold turkey after 25 years of smoking. Oh wait..no I flipping did that. I might have been encouraged by hatred of O...but I did it without help from anyone but my very patient husband. I hope that no one is encouraged to go back to smoking a slightly lesser taxed nicotine delivery system since the money will still go to the same place.


5 posted on 08/03/2012 6:52:33 PM PDT by lovesdogs
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To: Drango

Yes folks, they really are that stupid....


6 posted on 08/03/2012 6:55:12 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Drango
THE BETROTHED

"You must choose between me and your cigar."
—BREACH OF PROMISE CASE, CIRCA 1885.

Open the old cigar-box, get me a Cuba stout,
For things are running crossways, and Maggie and I are out.

We quarrelled about Havanas—we fought o'er a good cheroot,
And I knew she is exacting, and she says I am a brute.

Open the old cigar-box—let me consider a space;
In the soft blue veil of the vapour musing on Maggie's face.

Maggie is pretty to look at—Maggie's a loving lass,
But the prettiest cheeks must wrinkle, the truest of loves must pass.

There's peace in a Larranaga, there's calm in a Henry Clay;
But the best cigar in an hour is finished and thrown away—

Thrown away for another as perfect and ripe and brown—
But I could not throw away Maggie for fear o' the talk o' the town!

Maggie, my wife at fifty—grey and dour and old—
With never another Maggie to purchase for love or gold!

And the light of Days that have Been the dark of the Days that Are,
And Love's torch stinking and stale, like the butt of a dead cigar—

The butt of a dead cigar you are bound to keep in your pocket—
With never a new one to light tho' it's charred and black to the socket!

Open the old cigar-box—let me consider a while.
Here is a mild Manila—there is a wifely smile.

Which is the better portion—bondage bought with a ring,
Or a harem of dusky beauties, fifty tied in a string?

Counsellors cunning and silent—comforters true and tried,
And never a one of the fifty to sneer at a rival bride?

Thought in the early morning, solace in time of woes,
Peace in the hush of the twilight, balm ere my eyelids close,

This will the fifty give me, asking nought in return,
With only a Suttee's passion—to do their duty and burn.

This will the fifty give me. When they are spent and dead,
Five times other fifties shall be my servants instead.

The furrows of far-off Java, the isles of the Spanish Main,
When they hear my harem is empty will send me my brides again.

I will take no heed to their raiment, nor food for their mouths withal,
So long as the gulls are nesting, so long as the showers fall.

I will scent 'em with best vanilla, with tea will I temper their hides,
And the Moor and the Mormon shall envy who read of the tale of my brides.

For Maggie has written a letter to give me my choice between
The wee little whimpering Love and the great god Nick o' Teen.

And I have been servant of Love for barely a twelvemonth clear,
But I have been Priest of Cabanas a matter of seven year;

And the gloom of my bachelor days is flecked with the cheery light
Of stumps that I burned to Friendship and Pleasure and Work and Fight.

And I turn my eyes to the future that Maggie and I must prove,
But the only light on the marshes is the Will-o'-the-Wisp of Love.

Will it see me safe through my journey or leave me bogged in the mire?
Since a puff of tobacco can cloud it, shall I follow the fitful fire?

Open the old cigar-box—let me consider anew—
Old friends, and who is Maggie that I should abandon you?

A million surplus Maggies are willing to bear the yoke;
And a woman is only a woman, but a good Cigar is a Smoke.

Light me another Cuba—I hold to my first-sworn vows.
If Maggie will have no rival, I'll have no Maggie for Spouse!

Rudyard Kipling.

7 posted on 08/03/2012 6:57:18 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

well played!


8 posted on 08/03/2012 7:01:33 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango
Cigars are particularly nasty.
9 posted on 08/03/2012 7:03:28 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Poor Barack.If He's Reelected,Think Of The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: lovesdogs
Howzabout I smoke the tobacco I grow, and government gets squat?

Yes, there is tobacco growing in my garden as we speak. And hanging in the kitchen....

/johnny

10 posted on 08/03/2012 7:03:53 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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11 posted on 08/03/2012 7:04:22 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Gay State Conservative
Then don't smoke them. Some people disagree with you.

Your favorite vice is particularly nasty to me, unless it involves lime jello and twins.

/johnny

12 posted on 08/03/2012 7:06:09 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Drango
I just ask myself... What would Kipling do? There's always a slightly un-PC answer. ;)

/johnny

13 posted on 08/03/2012 7:10:03 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Drango

It’s true though that today’s cigarettes are much healthier, for lack of a better word, than those of 50-60 years ago.


14 posted on 08/03/2012 7:12:13 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Actually cheap cigars are nasty, quality cigars have a very nice aroma.


15 posted on 08/03/2012 7:16:55 PM PDT by OldGoatCPO
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To: JRandomFreeper
Then don't smoke them.

No worries there.

Some people disagree with you

Understood

Your favorite vice is particularly nasty to me, unless it involves lime jello and twins.

My favorite vice involves a juicy piece of prime rib (medium rare),asparagus with butter and nice baked potato.But any cigar smoker who moved into any of the condo units that abut mine would be taken to court on a petition by me to order them to stop.

16 posted on 08/03/2012 7:18:41 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Poor Barack.If He's Reelected,Think Of The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: Revolting cat!
Not commercial cigarettes. Texas required a retardant be added to the paper to stop a cigarette burning in case some idiot falls asleep smoking.

The additive? A close relative to carpet glue.

I won't smoke commercial cigarettes. I'll buy tobacco from farms where I've visited, or grow my own, and make my own.

I bulk buy clean tubes without carpet glue from an importer that gets them from France. That sucks.

/johnny

17 posted on 08/03/2012 7:20:19 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I understand where your condo living, Massachusetts self is coming from.

In some parts of the real United States, folks don't live in condos, or take their neighbors to court over seegars.

No harm, no foul, if you want to live in a police state like that.

Count me out.

/johnny

18 posted on 08/03/2012 7:27:00 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: PhiloBedo
Monte Cristo #3

For me, it's Partagas #1 or De Nobili Kings.

19 posted on 08/03/2012 7:27:29 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Drango
One major culprit for the trend is likely price,

It's the tobacco taxes. That's why they cost so much. Avoiding anything with an attached tax is a good thing. More people should make it a "lifestyle choice".

We can survive without the democrats money, but the democrats can't survive without ours. Starve that beast!!!

20 posted on 08/03/2012 7:30:02 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: JRandomFreeper

I love a good cigar. And my wife does not mind me having one either. A good end munching on cigar that can last for days! and tasty beer to go along with it!


21 posted on 08/03/2012 7:30:24 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Drango; martin_fierro
"The rise in cigar smoking, which other studies show is a growing problem among youth and young adults, is cause for alarm,"

Nanny-state bureaucrats in Mordor getting "alarmed" at free Americans' personal leisure activities is a cause for alarm.

Hey Marty!

22 posted on 08/03/2012 7:34:12 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: OldGoatCPO

If they could only make some that smell exactly like leaves burning on a crisp , autumn day . : )


23 posted on 08/03/2012 7:36:08 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: JRandomFreeper

Texas required a retardant be added to the paper to stop a cigarette burning in case some idiot falls asleep smoking “

We have it in MA too. I often knit in the evening while smoking. Every time I put the lit cig in the ashtray and resume knitting the cigarette goes out. I re-light,take a puff,put it down and resume knitting and it goes out again.
Needless to say my language is not ladylike when it happens.

I assume lighter and match sales have risen quit a bit,so that’s good for someone-—just not me.

.


24 posted on 08/03/2012 7:36:24 PM PDT by Mears
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To: DTogo

Does your “alarm” extent to children, teenagers and youth smoking or is it an “alarm” for adults?


25 posted on 08/03/2012 7:38:14 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Reminds of an old cartoon I saw years ago; a man asks a woman if she likes Kipling, she replies I don’t know, I’ve never Kippled.


26 posted on 08/03/2012 7:38:45 PM PDT by SirLurkedalot (My carry permit was issued in 1791.)
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To: Revolting cat!
Sometimes a cigar is a cigar, said Julius Caesar.

Since tobacco came from the new world... I seriously doubt Caesar said that.

Perhaps Sigmund Freud.

/johnny

27 posted on 08/03/2012 7:40:52 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Gay State Conservative
But any cigar smoker who moved into any of the condo units that abut mine would be taken to court on a petition by me to order them to stop.

You seem to be in the the wrong thread, and possibly logged into the wrong website.

28 posted on 08/03/2012 7:40:59 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Love that poem. And I do have the occasional cigar myself.


29 posted on 08/03/2012 7:44:16 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Talisker

I looked up the Partagas#1. Looks good, I may pick up one and try it out.


30 posted on 08/03/2012 7:44:51 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: DTogo
You seem to be in the the wrong thread, and possibly logged into the wrong website.

If you have a minute google "cardiorespiratory disease" and get back to me.

31 posted on 08/03/2012 7:46:09 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Poor Barack.If He's Reelected,Think Of The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: Drango

Both. What young adults of legal age do is their own concern, and what under-age Yutes do is their parents’ concern - not that of Mordor.


32 posted on 08/03/2012 7:47:28 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: SirLurkedalot
LOL! That may have come from James Kenneth Stephen's poem, in part:

When mankind shall be delivered
From the clash of magazines,
And the inkstand shall be shivered
Into countless smithereens:
When there stands a muzzled stripling,
Mute, beside a muzzled bore:
When the Rudyards cease from Kipling
And the Haggards Ride no more.

Rudyard Kipling and H. Rider Haggard were a pain in his butt. Sorta like me for some folks here. ;)

Cooks read a lot of stuff from the 18th, 19th, and early 20th century.

/johnny

33 posted on 08/03/2012 7:48:33 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DTogo
But any cigar smoker who moved into any of the condo units that abut mine would be taken to court on a petition by me to order them to stop.

Fascist control freak.
"You must obey ME. You will do MY will, or you will be severely punished."
"I make the rules around here."

34 posted on 08/03/2012 7:48:42 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Gay State Conservative

But any cigar smoker who moved into any of the condo units that abut mine would be taken to court on a petition by me to order them to stop.


What if they took you to court and demanded you start smoking cigars?


35 posted on 08/03/2012 7:50:56 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: Drango

Anyone tried the Camacho triple-maduro? Have one in my humi but haven’t had the guts to light it up yet.


36 posted on 08/03/2012 7:51:14 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions anonymus by the ATF***)
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To: Drango

I find the e-cigarette thing especially interesting. When you strip away the smoke-generation part you end up with a drug (nicotine) delivery part...and lose most if not all of the health concerns in the process. I’m not a smoker and don’t like being around it, but I don’t recall anyone ever having said that nicotine itself was harmful. It has effects on behavior and physiology, to be sure, but isn’t it the crap from the smoke that wrecks lungs and increases risk of heart disease and all? If so, then what the hell, outlaw the smoking part and let people satisfy their addiction in a different way, i.e. the e-cig.

But much as I don’t like smoking the libertarian in me says the gummint should “butt out” entirely...although that begs the question of taxing all the above.


37 posted on 08/03/2012 7:51:35 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: concerned about politics

LOL

Some folks embrace their inner nazi and others bend it over and ride it like a pony.


38 posted on 08/03/2012 7:52:19 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: concerned about politics; Gay State Conservative; DTogo
Ummm. GSC is the facist control freak, not Dtogo.

Good broadside, but it was blue on blue. Position your IFF power switch from OFF to ON and try again.

/johnny

39 posted on 08/03/2012 7:53:28 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

:)


40 posted on 08/03/2012 7:54:31 PM PDT by SirLurkedalot (My carry permit was issued in 1791.)
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To: OldGoatCPO
Actually cheap cigars are nasty, quality cigars have a very nice aroma.

Back in my smoking days, I smoked a pipe with high quality tobacco. Many of my friends wives kicked all smokers outside to practice their habits except for me. They all asked me to smoke my pipe in their house.

I quit smoking about 10 years ago.

41 posted on 08/03/2012 7:57:48 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: Drango
Jeesh! I hope this doesn't drive the prices up more! Arturo Fuente Hemingway Classics are over $10 here (central Florida).

Yes, that's my favorite smoke.

42 posted on 08/03/2012 7:59:41 PM PDT by jeffc (Welcome to the United Socialist States of America)
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To: cripplecreek

BTTT


43 posted on 08/03/2012 8:00:54 PM PDT by SirLurkedalot (My carry permit was issued in 1791.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Ummm. GSC is the facist control freak, not Dtogo.

My bad.

Tobacco is legal. If someone doesn't like a neighbor smoking it near them, they can buy an air purifier or move. Does not the smoker in the next apartment have his/her right to a legal product?

What if a neighbor didn't like the smell of his beer, or his cooking? Should he be forced to stop drinking beer and cooking?

44 posted on 08/03/2012 8:04:11 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Gay State Conservative
Your various and sundry effluent doesn't stink, I take it. How many other types of smoke will send you screaming to an attorney? Wood smoke? A barbecue grill? An automobile? A coal fired power plant?

Hold your breath the next time you venture out in public, by the way. All odor is particulate. You could always try to sue for that, too, I suppose.

45 posted on 08/03/2012 8:04:22 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’ve been thinking of doing that, I have the land for it. Any tips?

A lot of the shift is also people buying loose tobacco like I do. $13 online thanks to a fellow freeper telling me about it. I use a cartridged filter tip and it works fantastic and saves me a ton of money.


46 posted on 08/03/2012 8:10:47 PM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: Revolting cat!

> “It’s true though that today’s cigarettes are much healthier, for lack of a better word, than those of 50-60 years ago.”

True especially if you get loose tobacco that has zero chemicals and grown without pesticides like mine is. :)


47 posted on 08/03/2012 8:13:18 PM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: JRandomFreeper

> Not commercial cigarettes. Texas required a retardant be added to the paper to stop a cigarette burning in case some idiot falls asleep smoking.

That’s silly! All they have to do is STOP using the chemikill that makes it burn! Should be a fed reg. Becareful about the tubes because sometimes they have that chemical too. Zigs and chem free cigs will stop burning as you probably know.


48 posted on 08/03/2012 8:15:49 PM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: TheRhinelander
I've been making my own for over 15 years. This is NOT my first rodeo. I'm happy with my tube manufacturer.

I'm ok with the potassium nitrate rings in tubes. I've breathed more during a live fire at the range.

/johnny

49 posted on 08/03/2012 8:18:58 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Drango

I enjoy a briar filled with a nice blend now and again. Maybe I’ll pack a pipe with Sillem’s Black tonight, now that I’m thinking on it.


50 posted on 08/03/2012 8:30:38 PM PDT by Snake65
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