Skip to comments.Virginia’s Goode could be Romney’s undoing
Posted on 07/24/2012 6:28:39 PM PDT by xzins
While many on the right fear that Constitution Party presidential candidate Virgil Goode might just draw enough votes in his native Virginia to tip the Old Dominions 14 electoral votes from Mitt Romney to Barack Obama, the former six-term congressman made it clear he doesnt care.
Goode, in fact, feels that in many ways, for conservatives, it might be better to have Obama as president next year rather than Romney.
The 65-year-old Goode spoke to Human Events last week as he and his supporters were in the process of gathering the 10,000 signatures they need to submit before the Aug. 24 deadline to qualify for Virginias November ballot. Founded by Conservative Caucus chairman and venerable conservative leader Howard Phillips, the Constitution Party is so far on the ballot in 17 states. Right now, Goode told us, the party is making attempts to secure ballot positions in other key states such as Arkansas, Alabama, Iowa, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania the home state of the Constitution Partys vice presidential nominee Jim Clymer.
But what has clearly set off alarm bells among conservatives lately is the scenario of Goode making the ballot in Virginia where he won the 5th District U.S. House seat as a Democrat, Independent, and Republican from 1996 until his narrow defeat in 2008. Polls show the state, which Obama narrowly carried over John McCain in 2008, seesawing between the president and his Republican opponent in 2012. A just-completed Quinnipiac Poll showed Obama and Romney tied among likely Virginia voters, with each getting 44 percent down from Obamas 47 to 42 percent edge in the same poll in June.
Of particular concern to Republicans is Goodes strength in his home turf: the Danville-Charlottesville area that he represented in Congress and previously as state senator. Four years after he lost the closest House race, the former congressman remains popular in his former turf. In addition, his hard-line stance on immigration, strong emphasis on limited government and focus on following the U.S. Constitution seems more likely to woo Virginians who would otherwise vote for Romney than those inclined to Obama.
If Im on the ballot in Virginia, I could cost Obama a lot of votes possibly as much as or even more than Romney, Goode told us, repeating a line that many third party contenders have taken over the years. There are a lot of life-long Democrats (in the Fifth District) who say theyll hold their nose and vote for Obama. But as the fellow in the filling station up the road told me, Im a Democrat, but if youre on the ballot, Virgil, Im voting for you.
We recalled how much as it was widely interpreted that Obamas victory by a plurality over John McCain in North Carolina in 2008 was due to votes for Libertarian Bob Barr. We then pointed out to Goode that, regardless of his interpretation, pundits and political analysts would almost certainly interpret a narrow Obama win in Virginia to a strong Goode showing and asked how he would feel then.
In many ways, for conservatives, it might be better to have Obama as president next year rather than Romney, replied Goode, explaining that it would be tougher to get through Congress some bad things under Obama than it would under Romney.
Take one for the team? Not me brother!
Recalling how the president announced earlier this year his order not to pursue deportation of illegal aliens who complete high school or join the military, Goode noted that Romney wouldnt come out against the short-term amnesty. He was just going with the wind. If Obama were president, Republicans in Congress would oppose him on things like this on principle and almost unanimously. But if Romney were president, he would probably get it through (Congress).
Remember how (Republican presidential candidate Rick) Santorum explained his vote for the No Child Left Behind (federal education program under George W. Bush) by saying: Sometimes youve got take one for the team. Thats the argument Romney would use with Republicans to get them to pass things they normally wouldnt oppose.
As a Democrat in Congress in the 1990s, Goode pointed out that he voted a strong right-to-life line despite the fact that the Democratic leadership was in the other camp on the abortion issue. As a Republican from 2002-08, he said, I was urged to take one for the team and vote for CAFTA (a free trade agreement). I didnt think it was good for the country and I opposed it. Sometimes you have to show some backbone.
As a Democrat, Goode in the House scored unusually high ratings of 84 percent and 83 pe cent with the American Conservative Union; as an independent and later a Republican, his ratings went higher and his lifetime ACU average in 96 percent.
In carrying the banner of the Constitution Party, Virgil Goode is again not taking one for the team. Whether he qualifies for the Virginia ballot Aug. 24 and how well he does in his home state will surely be watched there, as well as by Republicans nationwide.
I thought you’d be as interested in this as I was:
and then go to the discussion page:
As near as I can figure, the numbers in the chart represent the size of dose that is fatal with a lab mouse. Then they construct the chart.
I went to subcutaneous, because that seems to cover the majority of bites.
Good comment, Kevin...fun research. :>)
OK so it sounds like you want Obama to win, right?
The way things are going, unfortunately it looks like there are ONLY two choices: Obutthole or Mittens.
If you HAD to cast your vote today, which would you choose? Honest answer, please. Abstention is NOT an option.
Yep, you will fit right in there.
They have several there who have bashed me so I have claimed my name there and informed JR of it. I do not post there.
However, I have made it clear in my posts on FR that those who denigrate FR and JR there and still continue to post on FR are hypocrites.
But often escape is not possible, so most snakes hold their ground, ready to defend themselves. A difference between copperheads and the other species appears in the next phase, when they are approached. Most rattlesnakes vibrate their tails and most cottonmouths sit with mouth open when a human comes near. Even some non-venomous snakes vibrate their tails. These displays are merely warnings not to tread on them. They are not aggressive attack measures. The snakes just want us to leave them alone.
So far, the dozens of cottonmouths Dr. Gibbons stood beside have made threat displays but have not bitten the researcher's boot. The same has been true for canebrake rattlesnakes although too few have been tested to declare that they are as passive as cottonmouths.
The exciting news (at least for the researchers) is that the copperhead is different from the others. Most copperheads tested have struck out immediately when they felt threatened.
This behavior explains why more people receive legitimate snakebites from copperheads than from any other species of venomous snake in North America. Still to be investigated is another aspect of copperhead bites: many are not serious enough to require more than minor medical treatment. This may be so not only because the venom of a copperhead is significantly less potent than that of rattlesnakes or cottonmouths, but also because they seldom inject much venom.
The copperhead's initial threat display is to strike. It lashes out at an enemy as a warning. If the enemy is close enough, the fangs may penetrate the skin. However, because this is a threat display, not an attempt to kill, the snake injects little venom. A copperhead has no intention of wasting valuable venom if it can scare away the menace with a minor bite.
A question for the Mayor of Realville:
If Obama could really end elections and rule as an unelected dictator, why would he choose to wait until after this November?
If I voted for either romney or obama, i’d face my Lord, my Judge one day who could ask me: “If you sought the protection of those I created in their home the womb, why did you vote for a man who promoted the womb’s invasion?” In mitt’s case, my Lord could also ask me — were I to vote for him — “Since you knew Romney to be one who lusted for power as My rival ‘wannabe god,’ why would you elevate a human idol via your vote?”
Very interesting. Thank you for posting that research. After I made my post, I began to research as well to make sure I was right, but quickly got distracted by something else. I have just always heard that copperheads are less dangerous. Perhaps it’s just that they inject less venom. It’s interesting that the venom chart and the article you posted contradict one another. The chart shows the copperhead as having more potent venom than the rattler while the article says the opposite. Anyway, I’m not happy about our choices either, but I will do whatever is necessary to end the national nightmare that is Barack Obama.
Most of the charts I looked at had the copperhead venom with less lethality than most rattlesnakes.
Some rattlesnakes, though, were pretty high: the green mojave rattlesnake and the eastern diamondback were far higher than the copperhead.
The danger of the copperhead, as opposed to a rattlesnake or a moccasin, is that those two give a warning, a rattle or a white-mouth display, but the copperhead’s warning is an initial strike that’s supposed to use less venom than any subsequent strikes.
If oboma wins in November, he will come down hard on We the People, and he will become dictator for life..we will not longer have choices...up to now, how many freedoms have been taken from us by oboma, how many of his dictates have been shoved down our throats? Look to other communist countries like Korea, China, Cuba...what freedoms do they have..what is the quality of the life that they live? We both know the answer to those questions.
oboma is capable of anything..he follows the Saul Alinsky rules of the road for commies. You never trust a communist/socialist/marxist/revolutionary/sharia law loving thug...you vote them out while you still the the chance. Or the alternative will be deadly for the Constitution, our liberty and freedom, our very lives.
Too bad the stoopid Republicans tried to ram “read my lips” Bush down our throats then. Now it’s Willard. Another loser. When will they learn????
So why are there only two choices? Does your state limit who the voter can choose to two? (Not voting is a choice, by the way.)
-—”If I voted for either romney or obama, id face my Lord, my Judge one day who could ask me: If you sought the protection of those I created in their home the womb, why did you vote for a man who promoted the wombs invasion? “
Fair enough, I see your point and thank you for answering in a civil manner.
So I guess your answer is Abstention, which I said is not an option because hard choices must be made.
In reality, either way you look at it there are two choices - Obama vs. Mittens and:
—One candidate is fully pro-abortion and,
—One candidate says he’s pro-life but was pro-abortion in the past.
You are currently assuming Romney is lying about his alleged “pro-life position” — purely based on his historical record 15-20 years ago.
Do you see that Obama as Marxist-in-chief is far less business-friendly than his opponent and that his marxist cronies could destroy our economy.
As you know, a vote for Obama could result in Armageddon for the world as we know it in the next 4 years with collapse of societies, violence, rape, pestilence.
A Romney vote might mean pro-choice, pro-gay politics (we don’t know this for sure, but it’s indeed possible), but at least has a chance of rescuing capitalism and liberty in the world and perhaps could avoid the coming Obamageddon.
Given the foregoing, do you REALLY think the Creator would make a shallow judgment of you for voting for a closet pro-choice candidate if that vote makes the difference between saving the world for humanity??
I believe, that, my friend, is the true argument. There are just too many other things at stake for our world and our society to allow the ruthless Obama Regime to destroy America for 4 more years.
Do you really believe God doesn’t recognize that fact, too?
Or do you just think you would be punished for voting for a LIKELY (not certain, but likely) pro-gay, pro-abortion candidate, irrespective of the fact that that vote could save our economy and our freedom in other regards?
I guess I view God as having a better worldview than that.
Speaking of which, think of the wide difference between Romney and Obeyme on Islamofascism! Obama’s coziness with Islamofascists alone, might bring about the world’s downfall before his Marxist plans do! Romney is clearly not flip-flopping on his dislike for Islamofascism.
I get it. You don’t get it. Some of us have principles and refuse to vote for abortion supporting, gun grabbing socialists. Romney will destroy conservatism and push to the GOP further to the left. That is more dangerous for this country than anything Zero can accomplish while held in check by a GOP congress.
Vote for him...I don’t care. I’m not and neither will most of the conservatives in Ohio.
No, it seems to me that if Obama could and would become a dictator and rule without elections, he wouldn’t have any reason to take a chance on this election. And, it really sounds like the Realville you’re living in will be full of terror for you no matter what happens in this election.
God can relieve you of the crippling fears that unnecessarily plague you. You need only ask for strength and clarity.
Because he's not a Republican. He's a faggot. He belongs in the dem party.
Ah, classy reparté. How can I compete?
You can't. If you could, you'd be out canvassing neighborhoods and getting the word out for Virgil Goode, but instead you've surrendered all frenchfrog-like and now all you have to look forward to is selling your soul to the daisy-chained-duo, ying and ying, mitt and obie.
No, I think “you momma...” is pretty close competitively to “he’s a faggot.”
As for campaigning for Virgil, I believe the primary mission in this election is to remove the Obama regime from power. And, helping Virgil is contrary to this mission.
We disagree. But I don’t cede any high ground - on morals or principles - to those whose actions to the extent they are successful result in Obama’s re-election.
I wouldn’t be as silly as to say you’ve sold your soul, but I wouldn’t grant any religious benefit to it either.