Skip to comments.Mormons on Cusp of New Powerful Era
Posted on 07/23/2012 9:33:15 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
Next year could be a banner one for Mormons in the nations capital, with their numbers and influence likely to grow whether or not Mitt Romney is elected president.
Rep. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) could raise the number of Mormons in the upper chamber to seven, should he and Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) win in November.
Depending on who controls the Senate, it will have either have a Mormon Senate majority leader in Harry Reid (D-Nev.) or a Mormon president pro tempore and Finance Committee Chairman in Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah).
I wouldnt be surprised, especially in a Republican administration, to see members of my faith well represented, Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah), a rising Tea Party star who is Mormon, told The Hill.
I dont think that Mormons will be necessarily any more or any less represented in a Romney administration than they would in others . But sometimes people tend to hire other people that they know, that theyve worked with in the past.
There are currently 14 Mormons in Congress: Sens. Reid, Hatch, Heller, Lee, Mike Crapo (R-Idaho) and Tom Udall (D-N.M.), and Reps. Buck McKeon (R-Calif.), Wally Herger (R-Calif.), Raul Labrador (R-Idaho), Mike Simpson (R-Idaho), Rob Bishop (R-Utah), Jim Matheson (D-Utah) and Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah).
Those numbers are likely to grow some in the fall.
Flake, who traveled with Romney during the Iowa caucuses, is the frontrunner in both his primary and general election, though another Mormon, businessman Wil Cardon (R), is giving him headaches in the primary. Heller is locked in a tight race with Rep. Shelley Berkley (D-Nev.).
Flakes old House seat will be filled by a Mormon, either former Rep. Matt Salmon (R-Ariz.) or former Arizona House Speaker Kirk Adams (R). Chris Stewart, a Mormon Republican, is considered a lock for a newly-created House seat in Utah. Mia Love, the African-American mayor of a small Utah town and a highly touted recruit running against Matheson, is also Mormon.
On top of that, if Romney wins the presidency there are a number of Mormon Republicans who are in line to gain political power.
Chief among them is former Utah governor and Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt (R), a close Romney ally who has been tapped to head Romneys transition team. He has been mentioned as a possible White House chief of staff.
A number of prominent Mormons have been major Romney donors the types of people who often wind up getting offered ambassadorships.
These include Bill Marriott, a longtime family friend of Romneys, and Kevin Rollins, a former partner of Romneys at Bain & Company. JetBlue founder David Neeleman and Credit Suisse banking division CEO Eric Varvel, both Mormons, are on Romneys finance team.
A lot of these folks are very dear friends of his theyve known each other for decades now, Hatch said. I know every one of them and I dont know of one of them that wants anything from their donations.
But Hatch, who was an early Romney backer in 2008 and received Romneys support in his contested Senate primary this year, said there was a natural tendency for anyone to bring along people they know and trust.
Lets face it, you do tend to want to bring some people with you that you know very well, thats just a natural thing. I dont care who it is, people all feel the same way, Sen. Hatch said.
Should Romney win and bring some of his people into the government, there will be a lot of people who are devout Mormons in positions of power, said Paul Hatch, a longtime Republican strategist who grew up Mormon in Utah.
As far as ambassadorships, Romney really does have a very strong donor base among Mormons that hes cultivated since he ran in 1994 against Ted Kennedy for Senate.
President Obama has appointed Mormons to serve in his administration, including former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. (R), who served as his ambassador to China. He also tapped Larry Echo Hawk, a former assistant secretary of the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
Sen. Mike Lee noted that President Reagan named a number of Mormons to top positions, including Lees father, Rex, who was Reagans first solicitor general.
While he was there he happened to hire one or two people who happened to be members of the Mormon faith, but that was not a conscious decision of Ive got to get more Mormons here, he said.
One of them was Terry Crapo, the brother of Sen. Crapo, who Rex Lee picked to be his deputy but died of leukemia before he could take the job.
They had gone to [Brigham Young University] together, Sen. Lee said. It wasnt about Mormonism he was just one of the people he knew, an exceptionally bright lawyer.
Paul Hatch, who ran Leavitts gubernatorial campaign and is now a consultant for Loves campaign, said that devout Mormons tended to spend more time involved in church activities than those in other religions. He cited the churchs policy of having lay clergymen rather than full-time ministers as a reason.
For a lot of people the Mormon Church becomes the center of their life. Its more than going to Temple on Saturday or Mass on Sunday for an hour. Peoples social circles are centered on their religious experience, particularly in Utah, Paul Hatch said.
While Romney had a highly active life outside the church, he had also been heavily involved in its operations in Massachusetts, he added.
Mormons are often who Mormons know thats who theyve worked with, who theyve built trust with, and the natural result is theyd bring in some of those people as staffers and assistants.
Utah is already a theocracy.
The Almighty has established this kingdom with order and laws and every thing pertaining thereto
[so] that when the nations shall be convulsed, we may stand forth as saviours
and finally redeem a ruined world, not only in a religious but in a political point of view. (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 342, April 13, 1862) John Taylor, LDS Prophet and church president.
I have been reading articles later about a membership exodus of Mormons.
Once Romney wins the election I expect him to do for Mormonisme kinda what Obama has done for black causes: Set it back a few decades.
...the presidential campaign of Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith in 1844: Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.
Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church.
I dunno, evil has a funny way of staying a float.
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17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.
18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.
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22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.
23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.
Yeah, and in the end it will appear to be winning before God settles it once and for all.
He viewed the presidency like an under age girl.... Couldn't wait to get his hands on it.
"The 'MORMONS' are coming; the Mormons are coming!"
Hide the children; get out your "magic underwear" or whatever that is everyone keeps bringing up about some of Mormonism quirks.
Oh, and did you know that "Mormons" were responsible for a "Massacre" (Mountain Meadows) ah, never mind it happened once and it was 155 years ago...!
When someone can show me where Mormons call for Global Hegemony and "Forced Conversions" until there is but "One" religion (Mormonism) and any of their members advance "Honor Killings," "Death for Apostasy...or even criticizing the Book of Mormons or Joseph Smith," or advocate the Constitution being replaced by the tenets of Mormonism; etc. then, I'll begin to be "concerned."
The lds-org denies that Jesus is the Creator, that everything was created THROUGH Him, BY Him and FOR Him.
They deny that Jesus created even the angels out of nothing.
They do NOT teach the truth about Jesus.
Perhaps in membership numbers in the US. The mormon missionary program is worldwide.
The point of this post is that trading Romney for Obama will just be trading masters...the power will shift to 12 old white men in Salt Lake City. Mitt and most of his fellow temple-worthy co-religionists have taken this oath in ceremonies in mormon temples:
I guess the Jews also deny it but for some reason there's not as much fear and loathing about them. There are also probably other "Christian" denominations who exlicitly or implicitly deny this would be my guess.
Did you forget to include the "Mountain Meadows Massacre" (1857)?
Gee, I don't suppose you can come up with any examples of Mormons who follow, advance and preach Smith's words and tenets (LITERALLY) today?
No doubt you have some quotes by Mitt Romney which shows he support Smith's declarations and adheres thereto?
Bigotry is 52,000 mormon missionaries going out every day worldwide knocking on the doors of Christians and proclaiming their Christian faith is bogus, and the only way to gain salvation is to be baptized and confirmed mormon and to take part in rituals in mormon temples.
Same kind of attack the Left used to launch against the Moral Majority three decades ago.
“You don’t want to live under a dictatorship of religious zealots, do you? They’ll take away your Budweiser, your porn and your condoms...”
So after accusing EVERYONE of being antiMormon,
YOU celebrate the Meadow Mountain Massacre, making light
of it. Do tell.
It was an atrocity like 911.
Yet YOUR CANDIDATE supports the 911 Victory Mosque.
Is there also a Meadow Mountain Massacre Victory Mosque?
BTW, said Greeting is RESERVED for Muslims to other Muslims ONLY!
I have KNOWN Islam on 3 Continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed THAT EXPERIENCE GUIDES MY CONVICTION!
To George Stephanapolous: Your absolutely right in that John McCain has not talked about MY MUSLIM FAITH!
We will convey our DEEP APPRECIATION for the Islamic Faith which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world
I would like to speak directly to the people and leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran:
Your GREAT AND CELEBRATED CULTURE OVER MANY CENTURIES, your art, your music, literature and innovations HAS MADE THE WORLD A BETTER AND MORE BEAUTIFUL PLACE. We know you are a great civilization and YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS HAVE EARNED THE RESPECT HAVE EARNED THE RESPECT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE WORLD.
I also know civilizations debt to Islam. It was Islam that carried the Light of Learning for so many centuries, paving the way for Europes Renaissance and Enlightenment.
In ancient times and in modern times, Muslim Communities have been in the forefront of innovations and educations
ISLAM IS NOT PART OF THE PROBLEM IN COMBATING VIOLENT EXTREMISM; ISLAM IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF PROMOTING PEACE
In the United States, rules on charitable giving have made it harder for Muslims to fulfill their religious obligation. Thats why Im committed to working with American Muslims to insure they can fulfill Zakat.
(SEE: The Holy Land Foundation Trial and the fact that Zakat is are ruse to raise funds in support of Islamic TERRORISM as well as the FACT that Zakat is ONLY aimed at assisting fellow Muslims and NEVER to be used to help ANY Infidels. In fact, Muslims are actually FORBIDDEN from bestowing this "charity" onto non-Muslims)
It is important for Western Nations NOT to impede Muslims from practicing their religion as THEY see fit and I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States, to fight against negative stereotype of Islam wherever they appear
WE ARE NO LONGER A CHRISTIAN NATION
The United States as been enriched by Muslim Americans. Since our founding American Muslims have enriched the United States. If you actually took the number of American Muslims, we would be one of the largest Muslim Countries in the world. LET THERE BE NO DOUBT, ISLAM IS PART OF AMERICA
Ah, but Im certain that ANY MINUTE now, one of you Hate Mitt and Mormons gang will show up to provide us all with similar quotes by Romney showing his praise, defense, support for, and undivided loyalty to that which is our sworn enemy and that which has VOWED to DESTROY our Republic and replace our Constitution with the Book of Mormons as our sole authority Mormonism!
Oh wait, none of you can, can you? Other than bring up things 100+ years ago that Joseph Smith said or some other passages in the Book of Mormons,.....
....but can NOT produce ONE SINGLE example of whereby (TODAY, NOW) Mormons or the Mormon Religion seeks World Hegemony and FORCED CONVERSIONS; Tens of THOUSANDS of incidents of Terrorism since 9/11; the MODERN day persecution and MURDER of Christians, Jews and others DAILY; Honor Killings; the Jailing/Executions of Apostates; the Stoning of women accused of adultery; the hanging of Gays; etc., etc., etc.
The Muslim Brotherhood Agenda as outlined in 1991 in Phildelphia:
OK, I ask again, which is the more dangerous and a threat to us and our Country???
And of these 2, which is more dangerous to our survival?
After reading your post I think you can grasp what I mean when I have said, over the past several months, that trying to choose between Obama and Romney is like being a Jew and trying to decide between Stalin and Hitler.
It is really no choice at all.
One doubts it because Mr. RomneyCARE has the conscience of evil
and truly hates America (except as it might help HIM).
The McCain/Palin ticket was up ++4 to 10 pts
in some polls, days prior to Election 2008.
So rather than helping the GOP, Romney and
TeamROMNEY and the RNME (Republican National Media Establishment)
decided to attack Gov. Palin to throw Election2008.
Romney, and the Van der Sloot RNME RINOs for Obama in 2008
Late in October, The American Spectator's The Prowler revealed:
"Former Mitt Romney presidential campaign staffers
have been involved in spreading anti-Palin spin to reporters, seeking to diminish her standing after the election.
'Sarah Palin is a lightweight, she won't be the first, not even the third, person people will think of when it comes to 2012,'
says one former Romney aide
'The only serious candidate ready to challenge to lead the Republican Party is Mitt Romney.
"Some former Romney aides were behind the recent leaks to media, including CNN, that Governor Sarah Palin was a 'diva' and was going off message intentionally."
The Palmetto Scoop reported: "One of the first stories to hit the national airwaves was
the claim of a major internal strife between close McCain aides and the folks handling his running mate Sarah Palin."
"Im told by very good sources that this was indeed the case and that a rift had developed, but it was between Palins people and the staffers brought on from the failed presidential campaign of former Gov. Mitt Romney, not McCain aides."
"The sources said nearly 80 percent of Romneys former staff was absorbed by McCain and these individuals were responsible for what amounts to a premeditated, last-minute sabotage of Palin."
aides loyal to Romney inside the McCain campaign, said The Scoop, reportedly saw
that Palin would be a serious contender for the Republican nomination in 2012 or 2016, which made her a threat to another presidential quest by Romney.
"These staffers are now out trying to finish her off .hoping it would ingratiate themselves with Mitt Romney."
"Who's the Palin Leaker from the McCain Campaign?
National Review Online The publication of a Vanity Fair profile of Sarah Palin
appears to have opened old wounds in the McCain campaign.
... the source of the Diva leak was Nicolle Wallaces husband."
(Believe me, I really didn’t want to say “duh”, but the shoe fits.)
Jewish people don’t try to fool people into thinking they are Christians.
“There are also probably other “Christian” denominations”
.... Yeah, they’re called heretics, cults, apostates, etc.
You really need an animated GIF to go with your post.
ha ha ...
I guess your church never tries to convert anyone without violence, huh?
This probably means that it will be even harder to get a decent cup of coffee in Utah.
Yes, do tell oh ye who is so filled with hatred that he can not tell when someone is being made a fool of
I do not bring up the Mountain Meadows Massacre to make "light of it," dingbat, I bring it up to show that none of you can produce anything CURRENT (you know like TODAY) which in any way reflects nearly as badly or is in any way, nearly as dangerous or a threat than that which [he] who you and your ilk want to see reelected, Barack Hussein Obama.
CAIR to reply to my post about Obama's comments about Muslims/Islam/Sharia???
If you are going to do desperate hyperbole do it right...
First, YOUR CANDIDATE Mr. ROMNEYCARE supports SHARIA.
Second, YOUR CANDIDATE Mr. ROMNEYCARE supports
the 911 VICTORY MOSQUE.
Third, YOUR CANDIDATE Mr. ROMNEYCARE even proposed
RomneyCARE for Hezbollah paid for by the USA.
YOUR CANDIDATE IS AN ASS, and you do not even have
the testicular fortitude to admit it,
or his real positions. Just like Mr. RomneyCARE.
What the world calls Mormonism will rule every nation...God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the heathen rage. (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 53)
You really think this is all about politics...
One doubts it because Mr. RomneyCARE has the conscience of evil and truly hates America (except as it might help HIM).
HEY MOONBAT.....let's get this straight once and for all....
I am NOT a "MITT-BOT" nor do I now (NOR HAVE I EVER) supported Romney
Mittens was my LAST choice during the primaries....OK, not my "last" choice, but I never considered MORON, Ron Paul a "Real" candidate
I have never said anything which would indicate that I support Mittens but feel free to come up with any comments to disprove me
I have never (nor will I) contribute to his campaign.
And I can NOT dispute what you, Jim or others argue about his positions on "SOCIAL ISSUES."
THAT SAID, and being a Vet who has served in harms way; as well as having been around almost 70 years, I am more concerned about the SAFETY, SECURITY and SURVIVAL of our Republic, which IMHO, "TRUMPS ALL!"
When any of you can show me whereby Mitt is as dangerous or a threat as OBAMA HAS BEEN SHOWN TO BE (through words, deeds or actions) then maybe you can convince me NOT to vote for the "Lesser of 2 Evils!"
"(The GroundZero Mosque) cleared its final hurdle
developers plan to build the $100 million center which will include a mosque.
Since its incipient stages in July 2009, when a Muslim-run real-estate development
company purchased the damaged, vacant building and land where the new center
will be built, the project has sparked controversy and debate.
.... the tattered building that was bought by the Muslim real estate company had
been owned by a subsidiary of Bain Capital, a company Romney founded in 1984.
So it's OK if his company can profit off the sale of the land ."
Ground Zero mosque developers apply for federal grant
The developers behind the proposed Ground Zero mosque have applied
for about $5 million in federal grant money set aside for redeveloping
downtown Manhattan after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks....
run by the Lower Manhattan Redevelopment Corp.
LMDC Board of Directors
John C. Whitehead, Founding Chairman"
Well if the Mromons weren’t already corrupt, after they get power in washington they surely will be.
Typical mormon-Alinsky tactics. Attack the messenger.
MY church teaches the words of Jesus, doesn't spend millions on PR propaganda campaigns flooding the internet, TV and radio along with the 52,000 missionaries claiming the Christian faith is bogus...based on the fiction of an adulterous, lying con man.
Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp. 45-46
"...the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable, ...But with the Bible it was not and is not so....it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization [Christianity], founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was."
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13
You left off “f” from your “of”. If you are going to do desperate spelling, do it right...
You left off “f” from your “of”. If you are going to do desperate spelling, do it right...
How crazy do you have to be to think that an Obama victory is better than a Romney victory? With Romney, we live to fight another day - with Obama - we just die, THERE WILL BE NO TOMORROW. I grieve to think there are some conservatives (tiny minority that they are) that are planning to not vote for president or to vote for someone that cannot possibly win. We CANNOT withstand four more years of Barack Hussein Obama.
GOD will turn his back on us - possibly forever - if we let Obama win again.
Depends on whose shoes you're wearing. The fanatical among them would probably say the same about you. I'd say such people were just born 500 years or so too late.
I think there will be some crosstraining...
Regardless of what you think of ‘em, you gotta givew ‘em credit on one thing.......
.........they have one hell of a choir.
"Romneys opposition is the most worrying and hypocritical. Using his specious logic, Romney has conflated all Muslim terrorist groups, such as al-Qaida, with the Islamic faith itself. His statements and ideas thus smack of intolerance, stereotyping and naked prejudice.
In 2005, Romney called for what would have been unprecedented surveillance of certain mosques and other places of worship. These actions come from a former and probably future presidential candidate and member of a religious minority, the Mormon church who has trumpeted respect for all faiths in hopes of increasing his chances in future elections."
Vote for whom you please.
I believe your showing up on every mormon related thread is just a campaign message for Mitt and an attempt to derail the conversation. If it weren't why not start your OWN threads blasting Obama?
One good thing about these Mormon bashing threads is that it puts all the mormon hating, lunatic bigots on one thread so we can see who they are. A really sick, twisted bunch.
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