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To: Clara Lou; BlatherNaut; Jim Robinson; EternalVigilance; GailA; RitaOK; Dr. Sivana; Finny; svcw; ...
Your #77 is shameful.

I had the privilege of becoming acquainted with a very elderly Jewish man from Poland who, as a teenager, was arrested by the Nazis, taken to Auschwitz, and, since he was very strong, required to dig graves until Auschwitz was liberated. He candidly but modestly discussed his experiences with me at the home of his daughter whose husband was a close friend of mine.

For your edification, there is a substantial moral distinction between that now deceased gentleman being credibly ordered to dispose of the bodies of his fellow Jews whose only imagined crime was to have been born Jewish (therefore relatives of Abraham but also of Mary and Jesus Christ) or be promptly murdered himself and Mittler lusting over profits to be made quite voluntarily from investments in a baby-disposal service like Stericycle.

Blathernaut:

"Parallels" you have drawn trying to justify Mittler by comparing his "conversion" to pro-life with Norma McCorvey and Dr. Bernard Nathanson are pathetic.

Dr. Bernard Nathanson had been a long time board member of the National Abortion Rights Action League under the infamous Lawrence Lader. He began to waver as to that group when it occurred to him that to listen to Lader on the subject of Catholics was undoubtedly akin to listening to Hitler talk about Dr. Nathanson's fellow Jews. He resigned from NARAL despite having a very lucrative abortion business in New York City. He was then invited by a colleague to witness a second trimester abortion at Bellevue Hospital. What he saw convinced Dr. Nathanson that the second trimester infant victim was alive, aware and had fought against an amniocentesis needle as a threat. Making logical conclusions, he determined to abandon abortion as a way of life. He and his wife Adele created the Bernadele Foundation with the proceeds of the sale of his business interests in the abortion operations. Bernadele Foundation is exclusively devoted to supporting the pro-life cause. He then became a Christian and finally a Roman Catholic. He has died and cannot tell you anything directly other than in his books and films like Silent Scream. Did Romney return the profits he made from the dead babies or devote the money to pro-life causes??? Did he ever stop lying about abortion for a moment in his somewhat adult life? Of course not.

As to Norma McCorvey, nice try trashing her. She was taken advantage of by Sarah Weddington, a pro-abort "cause" attorney who apparently required her, as a condition of representing her as to a child custody dispute with McCorvey's mother over Norma's child, to allow the bringing of a legal action against Henry Wade, a prosecutorial county attorney, based upon a false affidavit, which became "Roe vs. Wade" and which challenged Texas's irrationally liberal abortion statutes (allowing very early abortions while prohibiting later ones. Yale Law Professor Thomas Emerson (responsible for Griswold vs. Connecticut) joined up later. Miss Norma was a sorry mess of a human being, a terrible mother, an itinerant carnival worker, and dead broke but she was about to be used by some pretty classy legal help successfully seeking to make baby murder a national norm particularly for the peasants but also for embarrassed Junior Leaguers (an idea that thrilled Clan Romney and their ilk). A lady named Sara Scorvino, trying to obtain effective legal help to collect substantial back child support was being likewise used by unscrupulous counsel in Georgia. Fast forward: Miss Norma becomes involved in a lesbian affair with the boss of a Texas Planned Barrenhood abortion mill who employs her there; is treated with respect and kindness by anti-abortion protestor Rev. Mr. Flip Benham; ponders the emptiness of local playgrounds, blames herself, comes out as a pro-lifer and remains so decades later. Norma McCorvey, Sara Scorvino and the two daughters that they had unsuccessfully sued to abort ALL wound up as activists in Operation Rescue which took a bit more Moxie than Governor Etch-a-Sketch had to have to test he wind currents and lie to us all.

Am I unfair to Romney in calling him a liar??? Other than his well-deserved reputation as the most accomplished liar in American public life on practically everything, there are the circumstances of his "conversion" to pro-life and his subsequent behavior. He CLAIMS to have been "converted" when having to ponder the question of permitting and funding embryonic stem cell research as governor. If so, he was probably the only "convert" as a result of that nuance of the abortion issue ever discovered. Though opposing embryonic stem cell research is certainly the pro-life position, viewed purely as an issue it was a loser though principled people will take losses for principle. That was late 2004. TWO YEARS LATER in 2006, Mittler was conniving successfully with Ted Kennedy and others to create Romneycare, complete with a maximum charge for abortion of $50 (subsequently to become FREE!!!! under successor Coupe DeVille) and Planned Barrenhood permanently on its board to protect its victory.

TO BOTH OF YOU (Clara Lou and Blathernaut) and any other Mittler or Obozo pom pom girls:

The lampshade makers were guilty of murder if they were not coerced. Likewise, BOTH Romney voters and Obozo will be similarly guilty for their uncoerced decision to materially cooperate with either of the abortionists currently expected to be nominated by the major parties. Both of these despicable leftist candidates are enthusiasts for persecution of pro-life churches and their ministries and enthusiastic cheerleaders for fudge-packing and other disorders posing as "marriage."

156 posted on 07/11/2012 1:06:06 PM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Tom Hoefling for POTUS! Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: BlackElk

No, my #77 was illogical. Which was the whole point.


158 posted on 07/11/2012 1:45:43 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: BlackElk
"A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.

An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly against the city.

But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.

For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victim, and he wears their face and their garments and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.

A murderer is less to be feared. The traitor is the plague."

-- Marcus Tullius Cicero, Roman Orator - 106-43 B.C.


159 posted on 07/11/2012 2:24:33 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (If you've surrendered your principles out of fear of Obama, Obama has already won. TomHoefling.com)
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To: BlackElk
BlackElk, how is it "trashing" anyone to point out their public reversal in regard to abortion?

Obama not only promotes partial birth abortion, but also supports the denial of life-saving treatment to abortion victims born alive. Furthermore, he intends to FORCE the Catholic Church to participate in abortions. If he manages to win (or steal) the election, he will continue to advance his Mengele-esque agenda until all viable opposition is defeated. NO other viable candidate has supported the pro-death agenda to the same degree as Obama.

In regard to Dr. Nathanson, you said:

He then became a Christian and finally a Roman Catholic.

Here is an exerpt from the "Voters' Guide For Serious Catholics" published by Priests for Life:

WHEN THERE IS NO "ACCEPTABLE" CANDIDATE

In some political races, each candidate takes a wrong position on one or more issues involving non-negotiable moral principles. In such a case you may vote for the candidate who takes the fewest such positions or who seems least likely to be able to advance immoral legislation, or you may choose to vote for no one.

A vote cast in such a situation is not morally the same as a positive endorsement for candidates, laws, or programs that promote intrinsic evils: It is only tolerating a lesser evil to avoid an even greater evil. As Pope John Paul II indicated regarding a situation where it is not possible to overturn or completely defeat a law allowing abortion, "an elected official, whose absolute personal opposition to procured abortion was well known, could licitly support proposals aimed at limiting the harm done by such a law and at lessening its negative consequences at the level of general opinion and public morality"(EV 73; also CPL 4).

Catholics must strive to put in place candidates, laws, and political programs that are in full accord with non-negotiable moral values. Where a perfect candidate, law, or program is not on the table, we are to choose the best option, the one that promotes the greatest good and entails the least evil.

http://www.politicalresponsibility.com/voterguide.htm

175 posted on 07/12/2012 7:08:49 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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