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I am not joking. Somebody help me out. How would we start a Secession Movement if this crazy nation reelects the Kenyan Marxist we have in the White House?
1 posted on 07/07/2012 10:55:56 AM PDT by no dems
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To: no dems

I’ve read all the various treaties and ordinances by which TX entered the Union.

Contrary to popular opinion, none of them have any language that would allow for secession.

They do allow TX to split into up to five states, if TX and the Congress so decide. But then any state can split up on the same terms, so that’s no big deal either.


2 posted on 07/07/2012 10:59:10 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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“If BHO is re-elected”

Oh man, don’t hit me with them negative waves so early in the morning...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuStsFW4EmQ


3 posted on 07/07/2012 10:59:21 AM PDT by Signalman
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Lincoln made SURE no single State can secede anymore.

Old Abe made the central state supreme.


4 posted on 07/07/2012 10:59:45 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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If BHO is reelected. . . .

How about first directing all efforts toward making sure that that does not happen? There is a very good possibility that BHO will LOSE, so let's help make THAT happen.

5 posted on 07/07/2012 11:01:26 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Repeal Obama.)
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Congratulations! You have just joined homeland secrity’s terrorist watch list.


6 posted on 07/07/2012 11:02:07 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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I really doubt the companies like Exxon, Conoco, ATT, Dell, Sysco, Halliburton, Kimberly Clark, etc. would want to be out of the Federal protection racket.


7 posted on 07/07/2012 11:03:00 AM PDT by sagar
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I thought I read somewhere that Texas gave up that right after the Civil War, but I could be wrong. It doesn’t matter anyway if they have the right or not, the Feds would still consider it an act of sedition as they would with any state. Texas is a “payer state”, not a “taker state”. The Feds could not afford to lose her. Texas could easily function completely on her own borders with no outside assistance from anyone. However, IF the big oil & gas states such as Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma etc. banded together on something like this....well, pop the popcorn because it would sure get interesting quick.


8 posted on 07/07/2012 11:03:32 AM PDT by lgjhn23
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Texas has no interest in seceding. Even Perry has said he was joking when he said something about seceding. It made him look foolish...not that he needs much help doing that. Not gonna happen. That’s a clown suggestion, bro.


11 posted on 07/07/2012 11:06:51 AM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: no dems
Definitely an option
12 posted on 07/07/2012 11:07:48 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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"All political power is inherent in the people ... they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper." --Texas state constitution.

I don't suppose for an instant that this would be honored by the federal government though. It wasn't last time, after all. If Texas tried it, even by popular vote, they'd get wiped slick by the federal government.

13 posted on 07/07/2012 11:08:22 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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If you guys succeed, will you accept refugees from the People’s Democratic Socialist Republic of Illinois?


14 posted on 07/07/2012 11:08:22 AM PDT by Marathoner (Amnesty on Monday, socialized medicine on Thursday, we are sooo screwed.)
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Those that do not know their history perpetuate this myth. It is just another Texas myth. Texas entered the Union with the right to divide itself into several smaller states if it so chose. We never did so because we were more powerful electorally as a whole. Yes, Texas was a Republic. So was California for a very short time. Sam Houston's priority as our first president was to convince the United States to allow us into the Union. We were a failure as a Republic and in constant danger of being reclaimed by Mexico. Hitler even attempted to induce Mexico to attack us with promises of returning Texas to Mexico after he won the war.

In addition, Texas lost ALL of its original agreements with the United States when it seceeded and joined the Confederacy. It rejoined the Union, beaten and compromised, and under the same sorry rules as the rest of the former Confederate states. Texas has as much "legal right" to leave the Union today as Louisiana or South Carolina.

That said, if Texans really want to leave the union, it can most likely leave the Union. Every Democrat in America would appreciate us taking our powerful electoral votes (the votes that now anchor the Republican party to some form of power) and leaving. That would ensure that the rest of the United States had a Democrat in the White House for evermore.
17 posted on 07/07/2012 11:11:08 AM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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What would happen if all 57 states seceded?


18 posted on 07/07/2012 11:11:16 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1263 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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I am not joking. Somebody help me out. How would we start a Secession Movement if this crazy nation reelects the Kenyan Marxist we have in the White House?

Read this:

Molon Labe!
by Boston T. Party (Kenneth W. Royce)


19 posted on 07/07/2012 11:12:20 AM PDT by Iron Munro (John Adams: 'Two ways to enslave a country. One is by the sword, the other is by debt')
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I think if Texas went, several other states may very well go with it.

Alaska has always been another one I’ve always wondered why they hang on. They are 100% self sufficient with access to the ocean and abundant natural resources. Much of their state is federal land, prohibiting them from using their own land.

I just wonder if such scenarios could lead to another ‘war between states’ if the president should attempt to FORCE them to stay as Lincoln did. Very interesting topic, because if things continue to deteriorate, I don’t believe it’s unrealistic.


20 posted on 07/07/2012 11:12:35 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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I think Texas is already part of Mexico again.


21 posted on 07/07/2012 11:12:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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Just be careful of many secession movements out there like the Republic of Texas movement. Most are scams to sell fake land grants or bogus currency. Any real movement would need to be sure to disassociate with these type of groups.


22 posted on 07/07/2012 11:12:35 AM PDT by mnehring
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I don’t think Texas can do it, but I’d support any such action. I think I would have to consider moving to the Hill Country.


24 posted on 07/07/2012 11:13:23 AM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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Actually, all states can legally secede, regardless of what some say. If you join an organization, in this case a Union, you can un join it. The war between the states should never have happened and wouldn't have if "Honest Abe" had lived up to the letter of the law and left the south alone. He pushed until the South fired on a Fort that was in Southern territory, the troops were left there in order for that to happen. Abe wanted the war so he could force the south back into the Union.

We would all be better off if the South had won or if the war had never occurred at all, especially if the war hadn't happened at all, we would still have states rights and slavery would still have gone away except it wouldn't have cost 500 million lives, mostly white lives by the way, in order to happen.

I hope Texas secedes and any other state that feels the same way goes with them.

27 posted on 07/07/2012 11:15:24 AM PDT by calex59
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The Feds have you and me and everyone else enslaved. Will Texans really vote to withdraw from Social Security, Medicare and pay back their share of the national debt?

If you read the history of the American Revolution you will realize that the kind of geographical and political situation which existed in 1760-1776 was wholly different than what it is today. I really don’t think anyone in power is going to seriously consider secession.

Civil Disobedience of Federal Edicts and firm assertion of States Rights is likely to do more to achieve liberty than talk of secession.

States need to take the position that “Congress passed this law, let them try to enforce it.” The Federal Government relies on the States to enforce nearly all their regulatory laws. Even Social Security and Medicare are administered by the states.

Arizona is on the cutting edge of potential Civil Disobedience and Sheriff Arpaio should be considered the George Washington or the Samuel Adams of the peaceful revolution.


28 posted on 07/07/2012 11:15:24 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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