Posted on 07/04/2012 7:30:37 AM PDT by tedbel
Retired Supreme Court Justice Edmond Levy, who heads a committee tasked with examining the legality of Jewish construction in Judea and Samaria, declared on Tuesday that Israelis have a legal right to settle the region.
The committee was established by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in efforts to determine and cement the legal status of the outposts in Judea and Samaria, with an emphasis on communities that were not built on privately owned Palestinian land but their status was still in doubt due to legal bureaucracy.
The committee issued its report on Tuesday, which was subsequently handed over to Attorney-General Yehuda Weinstein. In the report, Levy wrote that
In the part of the report that criticizes Israel's actions, the retired justice wrote that
(Excerpt) Read more at israpundit.com ...
Mmm . . . a safe haven in the Holy Land, legendary country of Redneck Myth, where all that Biblical stuff that never actually happened didn't happen! Oh, how I'd like to change place with the muzzies and Jew-hating chr*stians over there right now, twangingly mispronouncing the familiar Hebrew names in my inbred, trailer park accent! ::Sigh:: Us crackers was born in the wrong place.
Unfortunately, we don't have the right to settle there. 'Eretz Yisra'el is the sacristy of the world and reserved for the Priestly Nation. Non-Jews may visit, yes, but stay permanently? That would require the status of a ger toshav, which is not available at present.
When's the Blood Libel going to pop up?
As it should be.
That would require the status of a ger toshav, which is not available at present.
The Supreme Law of the United States was dealt a swift death blow that few saw coming. What is the next horror lurking on the horizon? And the next? Even the secular have been suddenly thrust into a parallel Geula watch, as they seek redemption from Obamacare and its cojoined twin, lawlessness. Obamacare truly is a covenant with death, and anarchy is chaos/hell.
Should it become so desperate and dangerous in the States for lovers of life and liberty, that Israel extends a life-saving hand to asylum-seeking Americans, allegiance to the Jewish State would be paramount.
Maybe they could name the settlement Kiryat Cracker. Or how about Ramat Redneck? Har Honky? :)
Anyway, I've been wondering for many years when/how such an asylum senario could take shape. Looks a lot less like crazy talk these days. Especially after looking up the term you just mentioned.
גר תושב
= 911!!!
Like the Statue of Liberty waving that red flag on August 23, 2001, Hashem telegraphed another severe red flag warning through Obamalek's own hand, on [Red] Flag Day, 2 weeks before the SCOTUS decision was read. At "One World" Trade Center:
Obama's "We" isn't "We the People." More like "We the destroyers, usurpers, bogus birthright claimants, and 5/9 of the USSC."
“Demographic projections are like predicting the weather”
“The birth rate of Arabs in Israel is dropping”
Says whom? Post a source backing up your demographics, I did: Israel’s own Census Bureau.
The Muslim death rate is dropping quickly due to improved nutrition and health care, dropping more than the Jewish death rate as Jews have generally always had a healthier lifestyle and great access to health care. That will put the Muslims even farther ahead.
What????????? You are willfully blind, then.
“Reagan regretted his amnesty.”
Yes, because he and the subsequent Bush’s and Clinton did not close the border to new Mexican citizens who thought the amnesty would continue.
Reagan also was not clairvoyant and couldn’t foresee the American employers wanting cheap help, the drug trade, and a pathetic identification system that allowed hundreds of illegals to share a social security number and states that would issue driver’s licenses with no supporting identification.
Now that we’re on to the illegals, we have out-migration for the first time.
“What????????? You are willfully blind, then.”
Back up what you say. Google it. Post any petition, money raising, or organizing effort that proposes that any state secede from the Union and rejoin Mexico.
Mexican citizens are free to repatriate to Mexico at any time for free. Bottom line, Mexicans are far better off in the US and aren’t going back in any significant numbers, except by force.
Yehuda!!
I can always be satisfied that my facts are on the right track when you pop up and start calling names instead of posting counter facts and offer no sources. Thank you.
Lemmesee...You want Jordan to be returned to the Jews. I wouldn’t stay up late waiting for that to happen.
You say the The Central Bureau of Statistics (Israel) offers “BS stats about muslim demographics”. These are your own demographers, you need to straighten them out. Here’s their contact information:
Kanfei Nesharim St.66
P.O.B 34525
Jerusalem 91342
E-mail: info@cbs.gov.il
Call from 8:00 - 16:00 1-800-232-233
or between 8:00 - 21:00 (in the Jerusalem area) 1-800-210-290
I’ll be more than happy to post up any stats you get them to revise.
We agree on Israel re-annexing Yesha. Make them all citizens of the new, 36% Muslim, Israel. Yahuda, gonna let all those new Muslim citizens vote and run for office? How many Muslims are going to vote Likud? What does the Bible say about all that?
“stop being a revolting jackass and stop misquoting a Bible you obviously don’t believe in to further your BS arguments of exterminating Jews”
Yehuda, the Bible says what it says, look up the passages I posted, offer your interpretation instead of name calling.
You have no idea what my beliefs are other than peace and reconciliation. Look at the vicious insults you offer and its evident what your beliefs are.....hatred.
Hatred for anyone that offers the reality that Israel is delusional in thinking it will reclaim and push out all Arabs of the former Jewish lands.
I and a growing number of Americans are tired of being a punching bag for nut-case jihadists because they see Israel hiding behind us.
Here’s a simple task for you Yehuda, get the Knesset to pass a law making it illegal for any Israeli business to hire aliens. That would stop 95,000 non-Israeli Palestinians from entering Israel every day to go to work.
They’re good enough to work for you. Come on Yehuda, your bigotry is showing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel#Muslims
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4019826,00.html
http://www.themuslimwoman.org/entry/fertility-rate-muslim-women-israel/
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html
Thank you for the citations, let’s have a look at them.
#1 - “a former Israeli diplomat who organized a major demographic study” “research was not based on figures released by the Palestinian Authority” Come on, this is hardly a balanced study. Even so, it shows that Jewish fertility is still not greater than Arab fertility and there is no discussion about the quickly declining Arab death rate.
Any demographic study has to include birth rate and death rate to be credible on projections.
#2 - “Projections based on 2010 data, predicted that Arab Israelis will constitute 25% of Israel’s population by 2025.” “In 2006, the official number of Arab residents in Israel was 20% of Israel’s population.” Thank you, that citation backs up my point that Arab % will increase.
#3 - “By 2030, Muslims will number 2.1 million or 23.2% of the population in Israel.” Again, this citation backs up my point that Arab % in Israel will increase. The general decline in Muslim birth rates mentioned is in reference to worldwide birth rates, not Israel.
#4 - “70% were born to Jewish women and only a handful of 24% were that of Muslim women.” Muslims are only 20% of the population, but produced 24% of the babies. Again, supports the fact that Muslim birth rate is higher than Jewish.
#5 - The West Bank is ranked #63, 2.98 births per woman, Israel is ranked 11.6% worse at #75, 2.67 births per woman. Again thank you for supporting my point. I’ve got to save that source.
Your argument underscores my other point: demographic projections are as bad or worse than predicting the weather. They’re based on statistics, which are mutable, manipulable, subject to interpretation, and often agenda-driven, particularly in matters like this one. You can pick your demographic authority or cherry pick conclusions; I can pick mine and make mine.
Apart from that, given either the secular or religious basis for maintaining a Jewish state in Israel, these demographic arguments are beside the point. Israelis driven by fear of being overwhelmed by a Muslim majority would, rationally, just move somewhere else. Yet Israelis don’t seem to be doing that in significant numbers, suggesting that their nationalism and/or faith are stronger motivators for them. They would be motivated to drive demographics in their favor, have faith that the demographics will inevitably become so, or are irrelevant. They wouldn’t surrender to them, in any case. Those driven by faith are particularly motivated, furthermore, and they’re the ones cranking out the babies in large numbers.
I generally agree on projections. However, 25 years+ of recorded birth and death records are reality. That’s what I started from, Israel’s own public records and stats as compiled by Israeli government employees.
No projections at all, just who died and who was born. Projecting that same 25 year human behavior another 5 or 10 years out is reasonable.
My entire point of all this demographic analysis is that the stats support a need for political reconciliation, soon, before Jews find themselves a minority or a bare majority in their own land.
Jewish settlement expansion into the West Bank is smaller than the Arab population expansion inside Israel. The Jews are losing ground every day.
The Jews aren’t going to leave and they are unwilling to accommodate, politically, the neighbors they are being overwhelmed by.
The Jewish political position is not sustainable on the track they are on.
Why don’t Jews produce bigger families? They are barely at the replacement level at 2.69 births per woman. Perhaps Jewish parents don’t want bring kids into their world of fear and conflict?
Let me restate this:
http://www1.cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/shnatone_new.htm?CYear=2010&Vol=61&CSubject=2
Go to the spreadsheet: “Population, by Religion” 2.2, click on the Excel symbol, there are two pages of compiled birth and death records by religion since 1979.
Get out your calculator like I did and see the reality of Israeli demographics for the last 25 years+.
No projections offered, just a count of who died and who was born, all added up, compiled by Jewish Israeli government employees.
Make up your own minds. Ask yourself what would stop the trend of Arab population outpacing that of Jews, and how is Israeli politics changing or going to have to change?
Remember, Israel is a democracy, one man, one vote. The Knesset is a pluralist, coalition government. A 30%+ voting bloc of Muslims is a coming reality.
Clearly, you haven’t been paying attention. At all
“I generally agree on projections. However, 25 years+ of recorded birth and death records are reality. That’s what I started from, Israel’s own public records and stats as compiled by Israeli government employees.”
...and then you made your own projection, based on your own assumptions. You pass from the acceptable to the dubious.
Based on a document from the source you cite:
http://www1.cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/templ_shnaton_e.html?num_tab=st02_26&CYear=2010
it looks to me like there is a projection of a rise of “Arabs” (presumably including all Muslims, but also non-Muslim Arabs) from about 20% in 2010 to less than 25% in 2030. Hardly earth-shattering, and based on whatever assumptions the compilers made in their extrapolation from the same numbers that you cite.
Regarding the birthrate of Jews there, as I already mentioned, the religious ones are reproducing at a mighty pace. The secular ones are not as much. Collectively they are still outpacing every developed country in the world, and Saudi Arabia and Iran to boot. The Israeli birthrate, based on the CIA reference that I cited, is hardly lower than the West Bank birthrate. The latter has also been dropping precipitously in the past 20 years, as has the birthrates in other Arab and Muslim nations in the Middle East.
“So what do you intend to do about all the illegals in the American southwest? That was Mexican territory in the past.”
According to that logic we should give it back to Spain.
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