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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

As I have posed several times here about Robert’s decision:

Before I join any group and dump all over Roberts, I think I will wait and see how this plays out as we approach the elections. I just have a gut feeling that Roberts is playing a back game and his naysayers will be caught with their embarrassment showing. I think, in the end, Roberts will be exonerated.

I could be wrong, but for now I will just wait this one out before condemning him.


2 posted on 06/29/2012 9:09:01 PM PDT by doc1019 (Voting for the better of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: doc1019

“I could be wrong...”

Sorry, and I don’t blame you for hoping, but I have no doubt that you are.


9 posted on 06/29/2012 9:12:15 PM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: doc1019
Before I join any group and dump all over Roberts, I think I will wait and see how this plays out as we approach the elections. I just have a gut feeling that Roberts is playing a back game and his naysayers will be caught with their embarrassment showing. I think, in the end, Roberts will be exonerated.

How could it possibly work out for the best??? Even if this helps the Republicans in November's elections, which it probably will, and even if this is first crop of Republicans in decades with the political will and testicular fortitude to repeal this shit (and how likely is THAT?), it still doesn't repeal the ruling! IOW, a federal program as large, as wrong, and as intrusive as O-Care is Constitutionally hunky-dory, not just for health care, but in any other area as well! The only way to fix THAT now is with a Constitutional amendment and what are the odds of that???

13 posted on 06/29/2012 9:15:33 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: doc1019
I could be wrong, but for now I will just wait this one out before condemning him.

Please listen to Mark Levin's show from yesterday and today. He is a Constitutional scholar.

Levin calls the decision horrible and very damaging to our Republic. He said there is no silver-lining.

Roberts is a very, very evil man. His unconstitutional decision will cause untold misery to millions upon millions of Americans.

Roberts willingly and knowingly took a position that will greatly increase the Power of the State over the Individual.

You can wait all the H*ll you want. In time everyone will see just how destructive was this evil man's decision.

I wish Injustice Roberts and long and miserable life. He is a traitor to our Founding principles.

22 posted on 06/29/2012 9:19:09 PM PDT by sand88
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To: doc1019
As I have posed several times here about Robert’s decision:

Yes, you have. Please give it a rest.

24 posted on 06/29/2012 9:21:05 PM PDT by Jess79
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To: doc1019

I can’t think of a good reason for not doing what he should have - thrown out this entire power grab on the grounds it is clearly unconstitutional. This is the role of the SCOTUS. Seems simple to me and no amount of tortured reasoning seems to make as much sense.


30 posted on 06/29/2012 9:22:15 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: doc1019

** Well, just maybe Chief Justice John Roberts showed the way yesterday. It’s all about taking opportunities as they present themselves, not over-reaching, and playing the long game. Just as Marshall advanced the Federalist agenda by forcing Jefferson to endorse a decision that was inimical to his long-term interests, maybe Roberts just did the same thing to Barack Obama and the liberal Democrats.**

Bingo!


37 posted on 06/29/2012 9:29:47 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: doc1019
Horse Shit He could have just voted with the minority and struck down Obamacare. That would have stopped the abuse of the commerce clause.

What he did was so incredibly irrational that to attempt to save his reputation is down right foolish.

I finally heard someone call for Roberts resignation today and I believe that Romney should call for it as well. every true patriot should do all they can to drive him from the bench before he does even more damage to our country. He has done untold amounts to it already!

62 posted on 06/29/2012 9:56:24 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: doc1019

I do not condemn anyone! That is not the duty of humans...but it seems obvious that this man betrayed us.


84 posted on 06/29/2012 10:27:25 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: doc1019

If Roberts in reality thought he was putting in motion the type of Machiavellian scheme you’re positing there’s only one conclusion - he’s insane. He’s a megalomaniac who believes in the god-like prescience of his own intellect. There’s a simpler explanation, he’s just a statist. There’s no shortage of them running around Washington; the GOP loves statists so much that they decided to nominate one for president this year. Roberts may be a confused socialist at times, but in the end he believes in unlimited government and rules accordingly.


85 posted on 06/29/2012 10:27:59 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: doc1019
I think, in the end, Roberts will be exonerated.

I think you're waaaaaaay wrong.

He went all in with OUR political capital and he's got a 5 high as his poker hand.

Govt health care is now the law of the land and most of it is now "As the Secretary shall direct." That's why people keep saying that we don't know what's in this bill.

Do you have ANY idea what happened yesterday? The administration said this is not a tax. It's a penalty. They said that 18 times in their written arguments before the court. 4 dissenting justices said it's not a tax. The only one who said it is a tax is Roberts. The administration is forcing everyone to buy an insurance product. The Insurance Companies LOOOOOVE this law. They don't even have to advertise anymore, everyone now MUST have a medical insurance policy or the govt will sic the IRS on our asses.

It's clearly a violation of the Commerce Clause of the Constitution, but he ignored that and said it's a tax. He didn't rule on the law's constitutionality, he changed the meaning of the law.

That's whats known as judicial activism.

101 posted on 06/29/2012 11:07:16 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica ("We have prepared for the unbeliever, whips and chains and blazing fires!" Koran Sura 76:4)
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To: doc1019
I just have a gut feeling that Roberts is playing a back game and his naysayers will be caught with their embarrassment showing.

Ok, what's this back game Robert's is playing? No matter HOW you look at this Robert's is completely wrong and has dealt a huge blow to this nation. Judging from the 4.6m in donations Romney received in a 24 hour period after the decision I'd say people are POed!

The only way this country survives I believe is a majority of the American people have to TROUNCE Obama and his ilk in November. Then congress has to muster enough votes to repeal this travesty!

In essence this is what Robert's would be counting on if this was his plan, however idiotic it may be. The fact would still remain he usurped the constitution!

125 posted on 06/30/2012 3:35:11 AM PDT by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: doc1019
As I have posed several times here about Robert’s decision: Before I join any group and dump all over Roberts, I think I will wait and see how this plays out as we approach the elections. I just have a gut feeling that Roberts is playing a back game and his naysayers will be caught with their embarrassment showing. I think, in the end, Roberts will be exonerated. I could be wrong, but for now I will just wait this one out before condemning him.

How in the hell, and in what form of sanity, could a supposedly conservative, Chief Judge of SCOTUS, rewrite a key point in an un-Constitutional bill, expand the power of the government to tax anything it can possibly conceive of, in order to force the People into acquiescing to un-Constitutional demands, be considered a brilliant end-game?

That's like saying Holder and Obama will be vindicated when it becomes obvious that they were trying to screw us and we caught on to their atrocity...

128 posted on 06/30/2012 4:39:14 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: doc1019

I just have a gut feeling that Roberts is playing a back game and his naysayers will be caught with their embarrassment showing.

A back game that involves unconstitutional rulings. He could have ruled that there are limits to the use of the interstate commerce clause, but he didn’t.


129 posted on 06/30/2012 4:57:05 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: doc1019
"I just have a gut feeling that Roberts Benedict Arnold is playing a back game and his naysayers will be caught with their embarrassment showing. I think, in the end, Roberts Benedict Arnold will be exonerated."
140 posted on 06/30/2012 5:21:33 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: doc1019
I just have a gut feeling that Roberts is playing a back game

Let's assume for the sake of argument that he is. Is that his job? This line of reasoning rests on the idea that the court system and the Constitution are just fodder for payback and politics and now mean nothing.

Whatever the reason, he went way, way out on a limb to do it because the opinion is just first rate gibberish.

141 posted on 06/30/2012 5:23:08 AM PDT by Poison Pill (Take your silver lining and SHOVE IT!)
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To: doc1019

Face it America; John Roberts, he’s just not into you.


147 posted on 06/30/2012 5:38:20 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: doc1019

It was not necessary for Roberts to interpret the mandate as a tax vehicle in order to gut the commerce clause. That was an arbitrary decision on his part.

My tagline stays as is.


161 posted on 06/30/2012 7:26:53 AM PDT by citizen (It's no longer Obamacare. It's Robertscare now. He wanted it, he bought it, he owns it.)
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