Posted on 06/29/2012 4:42:25 AM PDT by SJackson
Politically speaking there couldn’t have been a better Supreme Court decision. If Obamacare had been declared unconstitutional, the Democrats’ campaign in November would have been those horrible Republicans have politicized the Supreme Court and denied affordable healthcare to everyone. The focus would be on the court’s “unfairness.” The Democrats would have a plausible if unfair case (and in politics lack of fairness is a given). Advantage Democrats. Advantage because the last things they want to talk about are Obamacare and taxes. And that’s the second big plus from this decision. The focus – thanks to Justice Roberts – is going to be on the biggest tax increase in human history on everyone, not just the rich. And on the lies of Obama which dwarf those of Clinton. Obama promised no tax hikes on the middle class and then defended Obamacare before the Supreme Court as …. a tax.
As for the constitutionalists. Roberts’ argument makes sense to me. Yes the power to tax is the power to destroy, but it’s in the Constitution. So this decision doesn’t really change anything constitutionally. If you don’t like Obamacare, the remedy is to repeal it. Let the elections begin.
“That O and the Dems have pulled off the biggest FRAUD”
They haven’t pulled it off yet. They will have pulled it off only if the next election doesn’t give us the congressional majorities needed to kill it.
“Justice Roberts is a whole lot smarter than the occupier of the White House.”
Providence at work? A blessing in disguise?
Just asking.
I would love to see several million floating First Aid kits in the Potomac July 4th.
A different version of the Boston Tea Party.
Its now the Washington Healthcare Party.
There is no silver lining. None, nada, zilch.
Too much gloom and doom. There has to be a light at the end of the tunnel, but I forgot the punch line.
Unless that in itself is some easier door into repealing this abomination.
I've often wondered, and more so as time goes by, what the dueling founders would have done .... waayyy before THIS of course.
Didn't the patriots of Boston arrest it's mayor or governor and lock him up ?
Those are the only motivations in my mind, not the best for a Supreme Court justice, but a political gift.
That doesn’t stop We the People from making the point.
I understand the human need to spin losses into some sort of a win, but we lost here, plain and simple.
There is no silver lining.
This law is still on the books.
This in no way guarantees that Romney wins, nor that we re-take control of the Senate.
And even if we do, there is no guarantee that either congress or Romney will actually go through with repealing it.
I don’t care if you prefer loosing to listening to the left’s whining. I would rather win, and yesterday we lost.
So the left cannot use the commerce clause to coerce me to behave a certain way. BFD! Roberts told them to use the tax code, instead. I don’t see that as a win.
True, but I’d say they’ve pulled it off for now.....whether it will be reversed remains to be seen. The election is indeed the “last chance” to undo the fraud - at least this part of it.
Are there enough Americans who see this? I hope so - but don’t know.....Romney sure isn’t the fighter we need to lead the battle......
It’s income based, you don’t pay it under 130% of the poverty level. Don’t think the Court made that distinction.
Sometimes the light is on a train and you get smashed. Such is lite.
At minimum, this line of thinking is how I am going to approach the subject when raging libs try to gloat over their victory at me. I will smile and say, “so you think you won eh, ha!” And then I will point by point explain to them how they actually lost. It doesn’t matter whether I actually believe it, the goal is to throw their schadenfreude back in their faces.
So for those despondent over yesterdays ruling, at least get these talking points down to throw back at any gloating libs. You don’t want to show your despondency in front of them, they will lick your tears of pain. Take away their schadenfruede with calm reasoning, regardless of whether you think its a pantload.
It’s a tool. Romney can lose. He can win and Congress not repeal. But politically it’s probably the best result, though I agree completely with the minority opinion.
‘BUT neither Romney nor the Repubs have the cajones to use these words though......”
The republican leadership wanted this result and even aided the democrats in the passage of this bill.
In the house and in the senate a bill must be read in to the record if only ONE congressman or senator wants to hear the bill and what’s in it. The republcians were ordered by the leadership to allow the bill NOT to be read in to the record.
Yeah, some gift.
It was no such thing. This ‘Obamacare’ monstrosity was/is totally irregular and illegitimate. From it's conception, and throughout the entire Byzantine course of its presentation in Congress (including the criminal absense of debate AND bogus facts, WHEN facts were available)...this piece of ‘legislative’ excrement has been a fraud.
For the Supreme court to even consider it AS IF it bore the slightest resemblance to properly formulated law is ITSELF a miscarriage of the law!
I guess “best” depends on whether you have a political lens or a constitutional/”what’s right” lens.
As I been saying, if you don't like the tax code being used to coerce us with our own money then get rid of tax credits and deductions.
What if Obama-care raised *all* income taxes by 2.5% but at the same time offered an Obama-care tax credit for same 2.5% for being insured at Obama-care mandate levels? The effect would be the same as this 'mandate/fine/tax' except the IRS would be allowed to punish you for not paying up, unlike this obama-care personal mandate where they are not allowed to,
This is the risk of a high profile lawsuit and over optimistic expectations: Obama briefly looks like a winner till voters figure out they are still stuck with obama-care.
Liberals HATED this OC bill but they are cheering the ‘Obama victory’ right now, even though they lost the state medicaid mandate they loved and they HATED the personal mandate that was upheld. That is true political irony.
Bingo!
If Romney should somehow win, his goal will be to replace Obamacare with Romneycare and he will have bipartisan support (RINO and Democrat) and even the GOP leadership will cast opponents of Romneycare as extremists who can't be satisfied by anything. We will be the "fringe" voters.
The lesson: QUIT NOMINATING AND SUPPORTING LIBERALS!
Will someone tell me how we can repeal ObamaCare without a 60 vote majority in the senate?
That's assuming we could even keep our own RINOs in line.
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