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World's first GM babies born
Daily Mail UK ^ | June 28, 2012 | Michael Hanlon

Posted on 06/28/2012 3:02:56 PM PDT by opentalk

The world's first genetically modified humans have been created, it was revealed last night.

The disclosure that 30 healthy babies were born after a series of experiments in the United States provoked another furious debate about ethics.

So far, two of the babies have been tested and have been found to contain genes from three 'parents'.

Fifteen of the children were born in the past three years as a result of one experimental programme at the Institute for Reproductive Medicine and Science of St Barnabas in New Jersey.

The babies were born to women who had problems conceiving. Extra genes from a female donor were inserted into their eggs before they were fertilised in an attempt to enable them to conceive.

Genetic fingerprint tests on two one-year-old children confirm that they have inherited DNA from three adults --two women and one man.

The fact that the children have inherited the extra genes and incorporated them into their 'germline' means that they will, in turn, be able to pass them on to their own offspring.

Altering the human germline -in effect tinkering with the very make-up of our species -is a technique shunned by the vast majority of the world's scientists.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: baby; bioethics; bravenewworld; eugenics; evil; genetics; moralabsolutes; religion; shouldoutlaw; soul

1 posted on 06/28/2012 3:03:01 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Grave new world.


2 posted on 06/28/2012 3:04:36 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: opentalk

One researcher says the kids have high iq’s


3 posted on 06/28/2012 3:06:14 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: opentalk

So Barry’s “marriage equality” for bisexuals becomes a reality - 3 parents! Oh wait, it is evidence of polygamy?


4 posted on 06/28/2012 3:08:30 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: opentalk

Okay, where did they put the OnStar button?


5 posted on 06/28/2012 3:08:54 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: opentalk
Institute for Reproductive Medicine and Science of St Barnabas in New Jersey.

it's no picnic being a Catholic these days, thanks to "Catholics."

6 posted on 06/28/2012 3:11:50 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: opentalk
"Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could that they didn't stop to think if they should."

Dr. Ian Malcolm from "Jurassic Park".

The lack of ethics here leaves me at a loss for words.

7 posted on 06/28/2012 3:13:09 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Southack
One researcher says the kids have high iq’s


8 posted on 06/28/2012 3:13:56 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: opentalk

well i’d call them frankenkids but it’s not their fault.

natural processes can and do insert stuff into the gonadal DNA, what they’re calling the germline. for example, viruses can do this. but it’s the first humanly purposed such insertion. pandora’s box has flipped wide open.


9 posted on 06/28/2012 3:17:04 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: opentalk

Philosophical / theological points to ponder:

If they can do this (and it seems that they did), if non-human genes are spliced to create viable embryos, would these human / non-human hybrids have souls?

We already know insulin is produced by bacteria which have human genes spliced into them...


10 posted on 06/28/2012 3:20:00 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Southack; opentalk
One researcher says the kids have high iq’s

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That fact doesn't exactly comfort me...

11 posted on 06/28/2012 3:21:51 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: GreenLanternCorps
Slippery Slope, nothing good can become of this, article said it is illegal in Britain.
12 posted on 06/28/2012 3:28:32 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Man, am I loving the future.


13 posted on 06/28/2012 3:43:24 PM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the StatistI)
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To: opentalk

gays and lesbians will eat this up.


14 posted on 06/28/2012 3:45:30 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: opentalk

Reading this news, after everything else has happened today....I do believe I’ve lived too long...May God help us!!


15 posted on 06/28/2012 3:49:30 PM PDT by MasonGal
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To: opentalk

Is there a people shortage I don’t know about? Those who make people should be made to sit in some of our lovely traffic jams.


16 posted on 06/28/2012 3:52:10 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: MasonGal

Agree, this is creepy


17 posted on 06/28/2012 3:55:14 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Village of the Damned was on this morning.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054443/


18 posted on 06/28/2012 4:04:03 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Kirkwood

“gays and lesbians will eat this up.”

You heard the one about the gay who was fired from the IVF clinic?

He was caught drinking on the job.


19 posted on 06/28/2012 4:10:12 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: opentalk
They are still slaves under Obamacare.
20 posted on 06/28/2012 4:21:40 PM PDT by Musketeer
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To: opentalk

Did they name one of them Flinx?


21 posted on 06/28/2012 4:51:46 PM PDT by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: opentalk

I would have thought this type of human experimentation is already illegal. If not, we need to pass a law. Humans are not tinker toys to be played with by jerks in lab coats.


22 posted on 06/28/2012 6:09:54 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Mitrochondrial defects, as birth defects, are very rare in people because they are so often fatal even before birth. This technique, of adding mitrochondria, increases the risk of these serious and generally fatal disorders.
There is also the massive legal liability, since couples coming in for designer babies are even more likely to sue for millions for a child born with any defect.


23 posted on 06/28/2012 6:19:40 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: opentalk
"I was, obsolete Sir."



24 posted on 06/28/2012 8:03:57 PM PDT by OldEarlGray (The POTUS is FUBAR until the White Hut is sanitized with American Tea)
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To: Tench_Coxe

Frighteningly, I dont think this is a lack of thought about ethics. I think they knew exactly what they were doing, and even that it is a “good idea”.


25 posted on 06/29/2012 12:09:20 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Southack

My kid was fertilized in vitro, and had a few genes from
a famous porn star inserted, so he will have a rather large
endowment./S


26 posted on 06/29/2012 3:16:19 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: opentalk

So, apparently, they have mitochondria from one woman and the nuclear DNA from another woman. The children are not genetically modified.

I really don’t have a problem with that.

I have a problem with going to great lengths to get women to conceive. If a couple can’t conceive naturally, that means there is something wrong... by enabling them to bear children anyway, that means there is a good chance of passing that defect along, when it would naturally be eliminated. I don’t think it will take many generations for medical intervention to be necessary for a significant proportion of the population to reproduce... is that really a desirable outcome?


27 posted on 06/29/2012 3:25:19 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: opentalk

> “the babies have been tested and have been found to contain genes from three ‘parents’.”

Half man, half bear, and half pig.


28 posted on 06/29/2012 5:21:56 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: Jewbacca

*rimshot*


29 posted on 06/29/2012 9:21:57 AM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: jim_trent
excellent.

:)

30 posted on 06/29/2012 9:27:49 AM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: jim_trent


The Greeks (the ancient financially sound ones) already have talked about this over 2000 years ago
31 posted on 06/29/2012 12:49:37 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: opentalk; wagglebee; little jeremiah
Pro-life and moral absolutes ping on this one!

Genetic fingerprint tests on two one-year- old children confirm that they have inherited DNA from three adults --two women and one man.

The fact that the children have inherited the extra genes and incorporated them into their 'germline' means that they will, in turn, be able to pass them on to their own offspring.

Altering the human germline - in effect tinkering with the very make-up of our species - is a technique shunned by the vast majority of the world's scientists.

Geneticists fear that one day this method could be used to create new races of humans with extra, desired characteristics such as strength or high intelligence.

Very disturbing. This is completely altering God's plan and natural design of the human race. This is the problem with IVF. First they start creating human beings in labs, and they dispose of "extra" or "imperfect" created human beings. They then design human beings with ideal characteristics with people picking sperm and egg donors and scientists selecting the "best" embryos of the created bunch. At some point, I'm sure they'll be able to determine which embryos have certain mental and physical charateristics. Now they've gotten to the point where they are creating human beings with three parents. The homosexual community will love this by the way because it enables them to have their own biological children. As you read, a further step is to "create new races of humans with extra, desired characteristics such as strength or high intelligence."

Writing in the journal Human Reproduction, the researchers, led by fertility pioneer Professor Jacques Cohen, say that this 'is the first case of human germline genetic modification resulting in normal healthy children'.

How many times has this occured that hasn't resulted in "normal healthy children?"

Some experts severely criticised the experiments. Lord Winston, of the Hammersmith Hospital in West London, told the BBC yesterday: 'Regarding the treat-ment of the infertile, there is no evidence that this technique is worth doing . . . I am very surprised that it was even carried out at this stage. It would certainly not be allowed in Britain.'

You know it's bad when this is not permitted in liberal Britain. The United States is going to have to answer to God for this disrespect of human life. We have the most liberal abortion laws in the world, allow sex selective IVF and abortion, and now are creating children with THREE parents. The slope just keeps on sliding. Never underestimate the depths to which they will sink.

32 posted on 06/29/2012 10:10:16 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Woo hoo! Another moderate candidate! Thanks GOP and voters!)
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33 posted on 06/30/2012 4:28:35 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Ping per our breakfast conversation this morning


34 posted on 06/30/2012 4:35:41 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: wagglebee

All I can say is:

Lord, have mercy.


35 posted on 06/30/2012 4:38:04 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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36 posted on 06/30/2012 4:39:57 PM PDT by narses
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To: exDemMom

“So, apparently, they have mitochondria from one woman and the nuclear DNA from another woman. The children are not genetically modified.

I really don’t have a problem with that.”

Um, these children have the genetic fingerprint of THREE parents - they most certainly ARE genetically modified. And you don’t have a problem with that???? Are you joking?


37 posted on 06/30/2012 4:41:05 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: opentalk

I thinking of the scariest parts of the Holy Bible.....


38 posted on 06/30/2012 4:41:09 PM PDT by yield 2 the right ( Space blank until I come up with a nice Tagline.)
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To: RichInOC
Okay, where did they put the OnStar button?

I had a similar initial reaction - What's new? Babies have been getting conceived in the back seats of Chevys for decades.

39 posted on 06/30/2012 4:49:01 PM PDT by Bob
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To: the invisib1e hand

http://www.barnabashealth.org/hospitals/saint_barnabas/aboutus/index.html#about

Check the website......I don’t think they’re Catholic


40 posted on 06/30/2012 5:01:31 PM PDT by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: opentalk

Eugenics Wars anyone? Khan!!!!!!


41 posted on 06/30/2012 5:41:39 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Justice Roberts knows the Constitution as much as the hominids know about the Monolith in "2001")
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To: surroundedbyblue

st barnabas? i gather they were once. cino now.


42 posted on 06/30/2012 6:41:21 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: opentalk
Writing in the journal Human Reproduction, the researchers, led by fertility pioneer Professor Jacques Cohen, say that this 'is the first case of human germline genetic modification resulting in normal healthy children'.

This makes it sound like there were other babies born that were not healthy.

43 posted on 06/30/2012 6:52:34 PM PDT by muggs (Hope and Change = Hoax and Chains)
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To: the invisib1e hand; surroundedbyblue
Not according to their website:

Located in Livingston, Saint Barnabas Medical Center is New Jersey's oldest and largest nonprofit, non-sectarian hospital. An award-winning Medical Center, Saint Barnabas is one of the busiest in the state with more than 84,000 Emergency Department visits and more than 35,000 inpatients. The Medical Center was ranked by US News and World Report as one of the Top 50...

44 posted on 06/30/2012 8:21:09 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: opentalk

This is a heinous and evil act. Absolutely, uncontrovertibly wrong, gravely sinful.


45 posted on 07/01/2012 4:14:15 AM PDT by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
The proto-CINO.

but no discussion of medicine would be complete without the opinions of Dr. Bogus.

46 posted on 07/01/2012 7:34:51 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A Dalmation was spotted trotting down the street...)
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To: the invisib1e hand

” no discussion of medicine would be complete without the opinions of Dr. Bogus.”

Wow! There are so many. many angles to peruse regarding this. I certainly question the ethics, from scientific, religious, and various other viewpoints, but,,,, But I cannot disregard how overjoyed these barren couples must be to be able to have children. I would think the chances are overwhelmingly on the side of them being very good parents for their “gift” of a child. Tough question! Besides, I’m a Meta-Proctologist, so what do I know!


47 posted on 07/01/2012 12:55:19 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Candor7

And his name shall be John Holmes the 2nd, and he’ll give new meaning to “five-dollar foot-long.”


48 posted on 07/02/2012 8:19:29 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
LOL.

I can see many Massachusetts liberal leftist baseball fans paying millions to have a few genes from David Ortiz inserted into their wives’ wombs?

Makes anyone want to puke.

49 posted on 07/03/2012 1:05:12 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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